Skull Valley lawmaker wants both sides of climate change taught to students

Feb 5, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Verde Independent

Saying students are getting only one side of the debate, a state senator wants to free teachers to tell students why they believe there is no such thing human-caused "global warming.' The proposal by Sen.

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“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

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#1035 Apr 30, 2013
There's never been an experimental test of climate change mitigation; that's how you can tell it's a hoax.

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#1036 Apr 30, 2013
“You can fool all the people some of the time, you can fool some of the people all the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time.”
A. Lincoln
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#1037 Apr 30, 2013
[QUOTE who="lyin' brian"]“You can fool all the people some of the time, you can fool some of the people all the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time.”
A. Lincoln[/QUOTE]

Detail noted, verifying Lincoln:

..... exxon, energy, conservative, business & re-pubic-lick-un upper floor boardroom PEE-R, propaganda, can fool all the toxic topix AGW deniers, all the time
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#1038 Apr 30, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
“You can fool all the people some of the time, you can fool some of the people all the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time.”
A. Lincoln
You must be in the 'some of the people' category. You are a congenital fool.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#1039 Apr 30, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>So are you a denier of global warming or just the anthropogenic contributions to global warming?
I don't deny the climate goes in cycles, but not due to what man has been doing. With that said, I'm all for clean air, therefore try to not buy China products and drive a green car. Don't watch TV, most of them are made in Pollution from China.

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#1040 Apr 30, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
You must be in the 'some of the people' category. You are a congenital fool.
And I believe the 'some of the people' category includes man made catastrophic global warming alarmists and climate change mitigators.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#1041 Apr 30, 2013
[QUOTE who="lyin' brian"]And I believe the 'some of the people' category includes man made catastrophic global warming alarmists and climate change mitigators.[/QUOTE]

'some of the people' include all the toxic topix AGW deniers. Therefore:

Detail noted, verifying Lincoln:

..... exxon, energy, conservative, business & re-pubic-lick-un upper floor boardroom PEE-R, propaganda, can fool all the toxic topix AGW deniers, all the time

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#1042 Apr 30, 2013
litesong, Brian and Riccardo are deniers and Luddites.

Pure and simple.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#1043 Apr 30, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
litesong, Brian and Riccardo are deniers and Luddites.
Pure and simple.
Konged is an alarmist, he needs therapy. He needs to have all access to the weather and climate taken away and continue his antidepressants. I bet everyday is another bad day for you Konged? Doom and Gloom the name of your brain.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#1044 Apr 30, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
litesong, Brian and Riccardo are deniers and Luddites.
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'recked car fire' flubbed:
Konged is an alarmist, he needs therapy. He needs to have all access to the weather and climate taken away and continue his antidepressants. I bet everyday is another bad day for you Konged? Doom and Gloom the name of your brain.
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litesong wrote:
'recked car fire' just told me, we can't get back together.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

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Orlando

#1045 Apr 30, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Konged is an alarmist, he needs therapy. He needs to have all access to the weather and climate taken away and continue his antidepressants. I bet everyday is another bad day for you Konged? Doom and Gloom the name of your brain.
"Alarmist"? Not in the least.

But then again, I don't have my head buried in the sand like Brian and yourself.

...a bad day for me, you ask? Well, if you MUST know, the last couple of days I got hit with $450 in car repairs, so I guess I've had better days.

On the whole, though, I'm an optimist.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#1046 Apr 30, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
"Alarmist"? Not in the least.
But then again, I don't have my head buried in the sand like Brian and yourself.
...a bad day for me, you ask? Well, if you MUST know, the last couple of days I got hit with $450 in car repairs, so I guess I've had better days.
On the whole, though, I'm an optimist.
I went out today, it was very windy from the North, I saw some clouds they looked white and small, I then checked the weather report and sure enough they confirmed it was windy, then I went out and noticed the wind, I pulled over the side of the road and it seemed less windy, I tried to get others to pull over to slow the wind but they didn't. Then I drove home looking at the sky. LOL...

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#1047 Apr 30, 2013
litesong wrote:
Kong_ wrote:
litesong, Brian and Riccardo are deniers and Luddites.
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'recked car fire' flubbed:
Konged is an alarmist, he needs therapy. He needs to have all access to the weather and climate taken away and continue his antidepressants. I bet everyday is another bad day for you Konged? Doom and Gloom the name of your brain.
////////
litesong wrote:
'recked car fire' just told me, we can't get back together.
He is doom and gloom, glad we agree.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#1048 Apr 30, 2013
litesong wrote:
'recked car fire' just told me, we can't get back together.
//////////
'recked car fire' fluffed:
He is doom and gloom, glad we agree.
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litesong wrote:
You said, we can't get together.

“I have upset the hand of god”

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#1049 Apr 30, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>I don't deny the climate goes in cycles, but not due to what man has been doing. With that said, I'm all for clean air, therefore try to not buy China products and drive a green car. Don't watch TV, most of them are made in Pollution from China.
The evidence, despite the politicization, indicates that the Earth is getting warmer. Global average temperatures have increased by .5 to 1 degree over the last 200 years if I recall my reading. Are you then suggesting that this is part of a normal cycle?

What suggests to you that the actions of people have no or negligible impact on global temperatures? It sounds like you agree that we can pollute the atmosphere and that energy efficiency makes sense. I would agree with that.

I have seen proxy evidence that shows the changes in temperature over extensive periods of time. There are facts to support cyclical variance in temperature. However, much of the evidence shows that an increase has accelerated over the last 200 hundred years. This increase is greater than that experienced during the medieval warming period that occurred approximately 1000 years ago. Do you view this as another cyclical fluctuation of greater magnitude?

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#1050 Apr 30, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>I went out today, it was very windy from the North, I saw some clouds they looked white and small, I then checked the weather report and sure enough they confirmed it was windy, then I went out and noticed the wind, I pulled over the side of the road and it seemed less windy, I tried to get others to pull over to slow the wind but they didn't. Then I drove home looking at the sky. LOL...
I hope you spent more time looking at the road.

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#1051 Apr 30, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
"Alarmist"? Not in the least.
But then again, I don't have my head buried in the sand like Brian and yourself.
...a bad day for me, you ask? Well, if you MUST know, the last couple of days I got hit with $450 in car repairs, so I guess I've had better days.
On the whole, though, I'm an optimist.
I have never known you to be an alarmist. Not by any stretch of the imagination that I am can come up with.

Yeah, I drive around in an auto mechanics wet dream. I used to be what would be referred to as a "gear head" in my younger days. I have revived those past interests of late in an effort to minimize the enthusiasms of local mechanics.

“I have upset the hand of god”

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#1052 Apr 30, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
There's never been an experimental test of climate change mitigation; that's how you can tell it's a hoax.
What is a hoax? Climate change or climate change mitigation? If you mean that there has never been an experiment testing climate change mitigation and that fact refutes climate change, then I would say your statement is not logical. I am aware that people died of cancer and other diseases long before we hand any idea what they were or how to experiment with them. Not being able to set up an experiment did not limit the etiology of these conditions or prevent the final prognoses from coming true.

If you wouldn't mind clarifying your statement, I would appreciate it. My interpretation may be in error.

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#1053 May 1, 2013
Science uses experiments to test and refine theories. There's never been an experiment that shows a man made change in climate or climate change mitigation. Dan might be right, those promoting prototype climate change mitigation without any experimental evidence for their policies, might be acting out of good intentions; let's look at their policy.

They want to tax and restrict fossil fuel use. This forces up fuel and energy prices, harming the poor. And we haven't seen any evidence it will help the climate either.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#1054 May 1, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>The evidence, despite the politicization, indicates that the Earth is getting warmer. Global average temperatures have increased by .5 to 1 degree over the last 200 years if I recall my reading. Are you then suggesting that this is part of a normal cycle?
What is a "normal" cycle? Weather and climate are not predictable.

The UK Met Office has revised one of its forecasts for how much the world may warm in the next few years. It says that the average temperature is likely to be 0.43 C above the long-term average by 2017 - as opposed to an earlier forecast that suggested a warming of 0.54C.

The explanation is that a new kind of computer model using different parameters has been used. The Met Office stresses that the work is experimental and that it still stands by its longer-term projections. These forecast significant warming over the course of this century.

The forecasts are all based on a comparison with the average global temperature over the period 1971-2000. The earlier model had projected that the period 2012-16 would be 0.54C above that long-term average - within a range of uncertainty from 0.36-0.72C. By contrast the new model, known as HadGEM3, gives a rise about one-fifth lower than that of 0.43C - within a range of 0.28-0.59.

But if it increased by a degree over 200 years, who cares? And that doesn't prove it's man-made.

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