Skull Valley lawmaker wants both sides of climate change taught to students

Feb 5, 2013 Full story: Verde Independent 1,644

Saying students are getting only one side of the debate, a state senator wants to free teachers to tell students why they believe there is no such thing human-caused "global warming.' The proposal by Sen.

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“So long to you, Righties”

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#458 Feb 26, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>No, TV hosts and journalists "often speak of evolution "experimenting" with various life-forms which die off or evolve", scientists know better.
Most climate change mitigators don't know what an experiment is or how science uses them to refine theories.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/...

"Evolution uses every chance it gets to try something new."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12776215

"Evolution experiments with microorganisms: the dynamics and genetic bases of adaptation."

http://www.amjbot.org/content/91/10/1523.abst...

"Dinoflagellates: a remarkable evolutionary experiment"

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketsc...

"The stickleback has undergone a grand evolutionary experiment, replicated many times over around the world."

I trust those examples are sufficient to prove you wrong yet again.

Naturally, you add some babble about "mitigation" just because you can't help yourself. Pathetic and pitiful.

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#459 Feb 26, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
..EDITED.....
<quoted text>Coincidence isn't science, there's never been an experimental test of climate change mitigation.
You were asked how the ratio tied in with changes in climate, fool, not about "coincidence." Unless you can prove the connection to be mere coincidence, you're just denying - which is of course what Deniers do. And climate change "mitigation" wasn't even mentioned! LOL

Again, you're a fake-scientific one-note Denier. Pathetic.

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#460 Feb 27, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I never claimed experiments don't exist, they do.
I claimed there are no published experimental tests of climate change mitigation. If you do a google search for "pink unicorns" you get "About 123,000 results", but that doesn't prove they exist either.
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<quoted text>^^^This is just ad hominem, a logical fallacy. Most climate change mitigators understand logic about as well as they understand science.
Sorry??? I am confused by you illogical answer

You say that you never claimed they donít exist but you claim there are none.???

Whether you think that the thousands of available documents (many of which you have been linked to) donít exist is your own delusion. There are there, they exist, because you ignore them makes no difference to the fact that they exist. Because you ignore them does not make them go away.

Pink unicorns has F/A to do with your delusion Ė or perhaps it has, perhaps it explains everything

Nope this is fact, you are not looking and so you deny the facts.

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#461 Feb 28, 2013
That's right, experiments exist, they are the sine qua non of practical science.

What doesn't exist is any experimental test of climate change mitigation; that's why they don't want both sides of climate science taught to our children.

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#462 Mar 1, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
That's right, experiments exist, they are the sine qua non of practical science.
What doesn't exist is any experimental test of climate change mitigation; that's why they don't want both sides of climate science taught to our children.
Yes they do exists and saying they do not exist when you donít want them to is just deliberate ignorance on a grand scale, particularly when the evidence of their existence is so easy to prove. And whats more you admit they exist half of the time

What is so funny is that you actually donít seem to comprehend that you are contradicting yourself, making yourself look stupid and making a fool of yourself.

A Google scholar articles search for ďexperimental test of climate change mitigationĒ(your words exactly) brings up 31,400 results today.
http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar...
In the first page alone 50% of them are reports of precisely what you say do not exist. Do the exact same search on Google proper and you end up with over 1.5 million results,
http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&sclient=ps...
Where 70% of the first page are links to what you say does not exist.

I am not the first one to point this out to you and if you keep on with your delusional denial then I am sure I wonít be the last. The documents exist, there is no doubt, there is actual physical evidence in the public domain, just as there is now no doubt that human intervention has accelerated climate change, it is fact.

It has gone way past both sides and you are left behind with the dinosaurs. Itís rather like the debates on teaching ID guesswork and the biblical fallacy of goddidit as science. Why are you so eager to have disproven garbage taught to children, are you that keen to limit the education of our future?

Sure, Use the history lessons to teach the fact that there were some people who contradict the current overwhelming evidence but they are now in a such a minority that their unproven and unethical self serving hype is irrelevant

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#463 Mar 1, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
That's right, experiments exist, they are the sine qua non of practical science.
What doesn't exist is any experimental test of climate change mitigation; that's why they don't want both sides of climate science taught to our children.
Obviously.

Since: Apr 08

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#464 Mar 1, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>Obviously.
Well brian, you've got the creationist on your side. What a surprise!
Earthling

Hondůn De Las Nieves, Spain

#465 Mar 2, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
It's way past time you saw yourself out.
PHD

Overton, TX

#466 Mar 2, 2013
Well look at that the fairy lame has the nut jobs on its side.

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#467 Mar 2, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
Well brian, you've got the creationist on your side. What a surprise!
Thanks, Fair Game, I sympathize with your creationist leanings. The thing is, creationism introduces an extra and unnecessary variable that can't be isolated by any experiment; that's what makes it pseudoscience. Kind of like climate change mitigation.

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#468 Mar 2, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
Yes they do exists and saying they do not exist when you donít want them to is just deliberate ignorance on a grand scale, particularly when the evidence of their existence is so easy to prove. And whats more you admit they exist half of the time
What is so funny is that you actually donít seem to comprehend that you are contradicting yourself, making yourself look stupid and making a fool of yourself.
A Google scholar articles search for ďexperimental test of climate change mitigationĒ(your words exactly) brings up 31,400 results today.
http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar...
In the first page alone 50% of them are reports of precisely what you say do not exist. Do the exact same search on Google proper and you end up with over 1.5 million results,
http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&sclient=ps...
Where 70% of the first page are links to what you say does not exist.
I am not the first one to point this out to you and if you keep on with your delusional denial then I am sure I wonít be the last. The documents exist, there is no doubt, there is actual physical evidence in the public domain, just as there is now no doubt that human intervention has accelerated climate change, it is fact.
It has gone way past both sides and you are left behind with the dinosaurs. Itís rather like the debates on teaching ID guesswork and the biblical fallacy of goddidit as science. Why are you so eager to have disproven garbage taught to children, are you that keen to limit the education of our future?
Sure, Use the history lessons to teach the fact that there were some people who contradict the current overwhelming evidence but they are now in a such a minority that their unproven and unethical self serving hype is irrelevant
Congratulation, ChristineM has found a search string. That's a wonderful accomplishment, I'm so proud.

Now, please cite any experimental test of climate change mitigation that you find compelling. Let's see if climate change mitigation can cause more good than harm.

I'll wait here.

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#469 Mar 2, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
Well brian, you've got the creationist on your side. What a surprise!
I'm all for science wherever it is found. And CO2 alarmism isn't science. But there isn't any need for you to be alarmed anyway. I'm still for increasing the biomass of the planet as if you really cared about the most practical solution to increases of atmospheric CO2.

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#470 Mar 2, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks, Fair Game, I sympathize with your creationist leanings. The thing is, creationism introduces an extra and unnecessary variable that can't be isolated by any experiment; that's what makes it pseudoscience. Kind of like climate change mitigation.
Quantum creationism doesn't presuppose the existence of a creator. I certainly agree with you that requiring an unnecessary variable like God isn't science.

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#471 Mar 4, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Congratulation, ChristineM has found a search string. That's a wonderful accomplishment, I'm so proud.
Now, please cite any experimental test of climate change mitigation that you find compelling. Let's see if climate change mitigation can cause more good than harm.
I'll wait here.
Why is it that idiots like you are too bone idle (or ignorant) to bother educating themselves?

Why is it that idiots like you are too bone idle (or ignorant) to bother clicking a link?

What is so scary about clicking a link, what is so scary about educating yourself, is it that such action will show you to be a deliberately ignorant moron and so you choose to ignore it in the hope that it will go away.

There are THOUSANDS of such experiments listed under that link, each and every one will prove you are a lying moron because you have not got the balls to contradict all of them with lies.

You can wait as long as you like, I am not here to teach you, that is your job but if you want to remain ignorant all your life thatís your prerogative. However donít go trying to shift the blame for your deliberate ignorance onto me. Just be a man for once in your life.
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#472 Mar 4, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>Quantum creationism doesn't presuppose the existence of a creator. I certainly agree with you that requiring an unnecessary variable like God isn't science.
Nah, it just presupposes everything in the Bible magically poofed just like it and Ellen White said it did.

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#473 Mar 4, 2013
The Dude wrote:
Nah, it just presupposes everything in the Bible magically poofed just like it and Ellen White said it did.
But what's the difference between the miracles of Scripture and the miracles permitted in statistical mechanics and quantum theory? Hint: there is no difference.

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#474 Mar 4, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>But what's the difference between the miracles of Scripture and the miracles permitted in statistical mechanics and quantum theory? Hint: there is no difference.
the miracles of the scripture are myth, quantuum mechanics ae reproduceable and verifiable.

hint: huge difference. all the difference in the real world, actually.

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#475 Mar 5, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>the miracles of the scripture are myth, quantuum mechanics ae reproduceable and verifiable.
hint: huge difference. all the difference in the real world, actually.
You obviously don't know the first thing about statistical mechanics and quantum theory.

Here's a famous first lesson for beginners (I recommend that you try to understand it):

"A philosopher once said,'It is necessary for the very existence of science that the same conditions always produce the same results.' Well they don't!" óRichard P. Feynman (1965)
everythingimportant.org/naturalism

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#476 Mar 5, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>You obviously don't know the first thing about statistical mechanics and quantum theory.
Here's a famous first lesson for beginners (I recommend that you try to understand it):
"A philosopher once said,'It is necessary for the very existence of science that the same conditions always produce the same results.' Well they don't!" óRichard P. Feynman (1965)
everythingimportant.org/naturalism
Not much, honestly. iknow there isn't one shred of evidence of any miracle, magic, or anything supernatural since the beginning of written history...not one. not even a rabbit out of Bullwinkles hat...

no evidence of any god, gods or goddesses.. none.

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#477 Mar 5, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
there isn't one shred of evidence of any miracle, magic, or anything supernatural
Quantum theory is the physics of things that happen for no reason whatsoever. How is that not supernatural?

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