What Is The True Cost Of Illegal Immigration?

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Research shows Florida and Georgia taxpayers lose tens of millions of dollars every year due to illegal immigration, and billions nationwide.

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This theory of yours is sure to make America a Third World in no time at all.
Is this fact or is it your opinion? If the former, post your proof.
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We have had more immigration of all natures since Obama. Historical, all time highs. I suggest you research the Stats.
I'm not the one making an affirmative statement; you are. The burden of proof is on you.
Nijoni wrote:
You are more than foolish to think as you do. Weakening us from the inside is exactly what the Govt of these third worlds want. The American Dream would be nice to achieve as an American. Not as an illegal getting what should go to citizens in need. Breaking Americans to support Mexihell will only bring us down lower.
So you're suggesting we spend more $$$ in massive round up of illegal aliens, deportations, arrest and prosecution of business owners, double or triple Border Patrol personnel in order to fallaciously attempt to keep those deported from coming back, and then pass the bill to the American tax payer? Why not give amnesty and turn the illegal immigrant, who has actually a valuable skill to offer, into perhaps a home owner or a car buyer, in short, a TAX PAYER, thus infusing revenue into our economy instead of a mass exodus of funds spent on futile cause?

We already spent BILLIONS in Iraq (over 5M a day when Dubya left office), and way after Saddam was captured. Yet, it was on Obama's watch that the culprit of 9/11, whom we were told by our former president we'd go after, was killed. Why couldn't Dubya do that? Because he was more interested in avenging an attempt on his father's life than he was in making sure the American people had a better chance of having a life.
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This conditioning that has you warped is SOcialist thought. Does not work in practicality. Does not work with Humans. Some will always have more and others will always have less. There is no equality of riches in any Land. ANd the fantasy of sharing what others have made is just that. Make it yourself or do without.
You have your systems of economy mixed up; what you're describing is Capitalism, not Socialism.
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Giving America to outsiders is sure to be her downfall.
The sky isn't falling chicken little; it's just a leaf.

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I have noticed one large difference between France and the US. In the US we fear our Govt...In France, the Govt fears the People.
Our Govt is giving "special" rights to non citizens.
No payment is required on their crimes, they simply get a deport PAPER here. Means not much. When aliens are put above the Citizens of any land, only Kaos will ensue. I agree that a nightmare will be unfolding.
With all his millions and his talk of sharing the wealth, I find it so ludicruos that Obama put his mamma on welfare. All his illegal relatives he has put on the dole. This speaks VOlumes to me. As long as it it someone elses wealth the Kenyan is sharing.
Guvmnt does not give rights to anyone, stupid! The Constitution does not give rights. The constitution was written TO LIMIT GOVERNMENT!!!!!

The rights you say are being "given" are ones that the constitution recognizes as people already having.
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When aliens are put above the Citizens of any land, only Kaos will ensue.
And when citizens think they have a right to engage in a coup, we will end up in another Cuba. Is that what you want?

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Is this fact or is it your opinion? If the former, post your proof.
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I'm not the one making an affirmative statement; you are. The burden of proof is on you.
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So you're suggesting we spend more $$$ in massive round up of illegal aliens, deportations, arrest and prosecution of business owners, double or triple Border Patrol personnel in order to fallaciously attempt to keep those deported from coming back, and then pass the bill to the American tax payer? Why not give amnesty and turn the illegal immigrant, who has actually a valuable skill to offer, into perhaps a home owner or a car buyer, in short, a TAX PAYER, thus infusing revenue into our economy instead of a mass exodus of funds spent on futile cause?
We already spent BILLIONS in Iraq (over 5M a day when Dubya left office), and way after Saddam was captured. Yet, it was on Obama's watch that the culprit of 9/11, whom we were told by our former president we'd go after, was killed. Why couldn't Dubya do that? Because he was more interested in avenging an attempt on his father's life than he was in making sure the American people had a better chance of having a life.
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You have your systems of economy mixed up; what you're describing is Capitalism, not Socialism.
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The sky isn't falling chicken little; it's just a leaf.
You sure are good at putting words into others mouths. Socialist, COmmunist, Idiot. All descriptive of this post.
We already pay 360 BILLION a year for illegals. Not to mention the 350,000 infants they abandon here for care. Stop enabling the third world is my response. As to the rest of your tripe, stuff it moron. You are the one saying illegals benefit us. I have done research that shows this is a fallacy.
www.illegalaliens.com
or google the human cost of immigration.
Go the the US Immigration site if you have the Guts for statistics.
Millions more Muslims now thanks to your messiah.
Last year they(mezitos) took billions back from the IRS by simply claiming to have 12 dependents in Mexihole. No proof required.
Give them your stuff, and FO from the rest of us.

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Guvmnt does not give rights to anyone, stupid! The Constitution does not give rights. The constitution was written TO LIMIT GOVERNMENT!!!!!
The rights you say are being "given" are ones that the constitution recognizes as people already having.
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And when citizens think they have a right to engage in a coup, we will end up in another Cuba. Is that what you want?
Our constitution is for Citizens, not the entire World!!!.
Do you always give others things away?

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Guvmnt does not give rights to anyone, stupid! The Constitution does not give rights. The constitution was written TO LIMIT GOVERNMENT!!!!!
The rights you say are being "given" are ones that the constitution recognizes as people already having.
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And when citizens think they have a right to engage in a coup, we will end up in another Cuba. Is that what you want?
Just where exactly does the constitution guarantee to deport the Mexican Rapists,etc.. and give them freedom from prosecution?

Where does it say to dump their non citizen kids off for their care?

The constitution was not written with the Mexicans in mind you tool of idiocy. In fact this has nought to do with OUR constitution. It has to do with immigration. Do stay on topic.

Cower all you want and pander to your scum, some of us think America is worth standing up for. And not the America Mexihell envisions.
In your world, we would already be run by a Dictatorship.

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Assimilation is how you become a REAL American instead of how you become a hypenated American living in America.
There you go with that flavor of turd tea again! You must be from MA.
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In YOUR Eyes and the eyes of your bigoted Leftist friends ethnicity is destiny.
Not destiny; it's the beginning. Assimilation is adoption of values not your own, but of the society into which you're partaking.
Buzzcut wrote:
Assimilated Americans create their own destiny and their FORMER ethnic background does not matter.
Horse manure. You do that and you lose your identity. Of course, you don't know what that is, because you've never had an identity.
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White Anglo Americans live up to the values they created.
No foreign country forced us to end slavery.
No one else forced women's suffrage on us.
We desegregated the military and schools after 100 years of the Democrat Party's segregation, sharecropping and the Solid South.
Are you saying that slavery, women's suffrage and segregation of the Military and schools were NOT values created by "White Anglo Americans[?]"
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Republicans passed the Voting Rights Act.
Is every white boy on a power trip as stupid as you are? The Voting Rights Act was passed by the 89th Congress, which had a DEMOCRATIC Supermajority on both chambers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/89th_United_Stat...
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If we were so racist how did it end up that even with a white American super majority, a marginally qualified black man was able to win the presidency?
I have not seen a black Canadian president yet.
You'll have to ask the Electoral College that question.
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Much more importantly the white Anglo Saxon Protestant super majority along with small groups of others created a nation dedicated to preserving the God given Rights of Liberty for its citizens.
Including the G-d given right of free will, which goes directly to the core of a woman's right to choose whether to remain pregnant or have an abortion?
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The citizens are the primary entity, the country is how the rights of the citizens are protected.
So why then are you trying to change the way the Country operates?
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The rest of the world attempted to copy us starting with the French but due to the inherent limitations of their non Anglo, non Protestant culture, it was difficult to achieve the same results.
The French aren't white? What are they; Hispanic? Oh, that's right, they're mostly Catholic, which drives a stake through your racist protestant" heart.
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Like most other cultures the French foundered on an excessive concern for forced equality by the state as opposed to a concern for individual rights.
Like white Anglo Americans of the south, prior to the Civil War; right?
Buzzcut wrote:
It is not Democracy alone but the limits on Government and the limits on the power of mob rule that protect the rights of Americans.
The limits on the power of mob rule is what kept Dubya alive when many wanted to permanently relieve him from office. In short, the power of Democracy, accentuated by the Constitution and the power of the Judicial system.
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This is especially true with the Obama nightmare that is about to descend upon America.
A nightmare is something you dream. Obama being re-elected is real. You may want to try and deal with it and see what you can do to re-vitalize your Refuglican party. Even the Tea Party is now defunct and the GOP is conscious of the fact they need to appeal more to the minority vote.

This is the 21st century and principles that worked in the 1950's don't work today. Society has evolved and it behooves you to learn to make do with what you have.

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Just where exactly does the constitution guarantee to deport the Mexican Rapists,etc.. and give them freedom from prosecution? Where does it say to dump their non citizen kids off for their care?
The Constitution does not guarantee any of that. The 10th Amendment, exercised by the Legislature by the provisions of Article V, allow that decision to be one made by the States.
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The constitution was not written with the Mexicans in mind you tool of idiocy. In fact this has nought to do with OUR constitution. It has to do with immigration. Do stay on topic.
I am on topic and I never stated it was written "with the Mexians in mind, ya zevel. Like it or not, the subject of immigration is deep-rooted in the Constitution.
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Cower all you want and pander to your scum, some of us think America is worth standing up for. And not the America Mexihell envisions.
I stood for America; I stand for America. I do that every f*cking day of my life pendeja. What do you do to stand for America, other than post on Topix? Tistom et a-pe
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In your world, we would already be run by a Dictatorship.
You have no clue of my world, so shut your pie hole.

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You sure are good at putting words into others mouths. Socialist, COmmunist, Idiot. All descriptive of this post.
I am very good at putting words into the mouths of others. So good I make a very good living doing just that. Your opinion of my post is written in my roll of Charmin.
Nijoni wrote:
We already pay 360 BILLION a year for illegals. Not to mention the 350,000 infants they abandon here for care.
How many of those 350,000 infants are U.S. Citizens by birth?
Nijoni wrote:
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You sure are good at putting words into others mouths. Socialist, COmmunist, Idiot. All descriptive of this post.
I am very good at putting words into the mouths of others. So good I make a very good living doing just that. Your opinion of my post is written in my roll of Charmin.
Nijoni wrote:
We already pay 360 BILLION a year for illegals. Not to mention the 350,000 infants they abandon here for care.
How many of those 350,000 infants are U.S. Citizens by birth?
Nijoni wrote:
Stop enabling the third world is my response. As to the rest of your tripe, stuff it moron. You are the one saying illegals benefit us. I have done research that shows this is a fallacy.
www.illegalaliens.com
or google the human cost of immigration.
Go the the US Immigration site if you have the Guts for statistics.
Interesting how you post the name of a website that doesn't exist. Did you pull it out of your ass, moron?
Nijoni wrote:
Millions more Muslims now thanks to your messiah.
My Messiah? I'm Jewish (that's right; a Hispanic kike). My messiah has not come and Muslims are, technically, cousins of my ancestors. The fact that we've engaged in a sibling rivalry that has lasted 20 times longer than My Country has existed, is of no consequence, or relevance.
Nijoni wrote:
Last year they(mezitos) took billions back from the IRS by simply claiming to have 12 dependents in Mexihole. No proof required.
Good. Then you won't ask me to give you the proof of all the gringos that did the same.
Nijoni wrote:
Give them your stuff, and FO from the rest of us.
And just what makes you think I don't already do that? BTW, if you want me to depart your lovely company, you'll have to kill me. I have a concealed weapons permit and I carry my Glock 19 everywhere I go. Wanna try and get me to "FO from the rest of [you?]"

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Our constitution is for Citizens, not the entire World!!!.
Do you always give others things away?
So you're saying that men and women in this country that are here on a foreign passport and a green card, or a visa, have no rights under OUR constitution?

What a dumbass you are!!
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One tiny question.. How can anyone really give an answer to "how many illegals are hear" or how much money they cost American tax payers? Ect.. If they are.UNDOCUMENTED ILLEGALS ? & off topic I KNOW but let's say magically all the illegals were deported , borders were tightly sealed ect ect .. Than what do "we" do about the Americans who cost tax payers wacky amounts of money using welfare , killing others , raping children , driving drunk killing others , braking into homes , STEELING OTHERS IDENTITY ( YES AMERICANS DO IT TOO ) ect . Illegals aren't the only ones hurting America.. There are millions of Americans hurt our home land !
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Although there is some truth n your post above, you Gloat at others expense. History has a strange way of coming back. U may wantto consider this as well, t clms.
Nij.. glad you see the logic in White Anglo Manifest Destiny.

I am not gloating. I am just trying to make sure that "history doesn't back again"....

You particularly would not be happy with it.....
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Conservative Democrat wrote:
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There you go with that flavor of turd tea again! You must be from MA.
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Not destiny; it's the beginning. Assimilation is adoption of values not your own, but of the society into which you're partaking.
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Horse manure. You do that and you lose your identity. Of course, you don't know what that is, because you've never had an identity.
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Are you saying that slavery, women's suffrage and segregation of the Military and schools were NOT values created by "White Anglo Americans[?]"
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Is every white boy on a power trip as stupid as you are? The Voting Rights Act was passed by the 89th Congress, which had a DEMOCRATIC Supermajority on both chambers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/89th_United_Stat...
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You'll have to ask the Electoral College that question.
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Including the G-d given right of free will, which goes directly to the core of a woman's right to choose whether to remain pregnant or have an abortion?
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So why then are you trying to change the way the Country operates?
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The French aren't white? What are they; Hispanic? Oh, that's right, they're mostly Catholic, which drives a stake through your racist protestant" heart.
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Like white Anglo Americans of the south, prior to the Civil War; right?
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The limits on the power of mob rule is what kept Dubya alive when many wanted to permanently relieve him from office. In short, the power of Democracy, accentuated by the Constitution and the power of the Judicial system.
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A nightmare is something you dream. Obama being re-elected is real. You may want to try and deal with it and see what you can do to re-vitalize your Refuglican party. Even the Tea Party is now defunct and the GOP is conscious of the fact they need to appeal more to the minority vote.
This is the 21st century and principles that worked in the 1950's don't work today. Society has evolved and it behooves you to learn to make do with what you have.
Love it, or leave it.
Get Real.. The US did not invent everything.. The Big Mac,, yes.
but...
The first country to allow women to vote was NEW ZEALAND.... you were far behind.
Thankfully, someone gave you the idea to copy..

Generally, you still live on the ideas and intelligence of Europe...
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Nov 19, 2012
 
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I have noticed one large difference between France and the US. In the US we fear our Govt...In France, the Govt fears the People.
Our Govt is giving "special" rights to non citizens.
No payment is required on their crimes, they simply get a deport PAPER here. Means not much. When aliens are put above the Citizens of any land, only Kaos will ensue. I agree that a nightmare will be unfolding.
With all his millions and his talk of sharing the wealth, I find it so ludicruos that Obama put his mamma on welfare. All his illegal relatives he has put on the dole. This speaks VOlumes to me. As long as it it someone elses wealth the Kenyan is sharing.
You should fear your government.... but all I hear from posters here: is that you live in the "Free World" so you all must be confused?

Anyway, your government has you confused and propagandized. What you think is true is not..

eg: you are not the greatest country in the world...

Everything you have heard about Obama are Republican lies. Thankfully they didn't work and
Robme lost.. You have been saved. There are enough smart American voters to have saved you all.

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I am very good at putting words into the mouths of others. So good I make a very good living doing just that. Your opinion of my post is written in my roll of Charmin.
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How many of those 350,000 infants are U.S. Citizens by birth?
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I am very good at putting words into the mouths of others. So good I make a very good living doing just that. Your opinion of my post is written in my roll of Charmin.
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How many of those 350,000 infants are U.S. Citizens by birth?
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Interesting how you post the name of a website that doesn't exist. Did you pull it out of your ass, moron?
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My Messiah? I'm Jewish (that's right; a Hispanic kike). My messiah has not come and Muslims are, technically, cousins of my ancestors. The fact that we've engaged in a sibling rivalry that has lasted 20 times longer than My Country has existed, is of no consequence, or relevance.
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Good. Then you won't ask me to give you the proof of all the gringos that did the same.
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And just what makes you think I don't already do that? BTW, if you want me to depart your lovely company, you'll have to kill me. I have a concealed weapons permit and I carry my Glock 19 everywhere I go. Wanna try and get me to "FO from the rest of [you?]"
You are a real jerk.

The Dark Side Of Illegal Immigration: Facts, Figures and Data Show ...

Facts, Figures and Statistics Show the Costs and A Dark Side To Illegal
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www.usillegalaliens.com/

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So you're saying that men and women in this country that are here on a foreign passport and a green card, or a visa, have no rights under OUR constitution?
What a dumbass you are!!
You are warped to think it was written with illegals in mind.
What a LaRacist You are!
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Illegals cost the TAXPAYERS BILLIONS AND BILLIONS!
They cost the taxpaying, USA LOVING voters the White House!
They cost the LEGAL CITIZENS their country!
ILLEGALS destroyed the USA!
CONSERVATIVES GET REVENGE!!!
DON'T PAY TAXES AND SECEDE!!!

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Get Real.. The US did not invent everything.. The Big Mac,, yes.
but...
The first country to allow women to vote was NEW ZEALAND.... you were far behind.
Thankfully, someone gave you the idea to copy..
Generally, you still live on the ideas and intelligence of Europe...
And what makes you think I care about New Zealand, or Canada for that matter?

I live on the intelligence and ideas of the United States' Constitution. The ideas and intelligence of Europe is written in my roll of Charmin.

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You are a real jerk.
The Dark Side Of Illegal Immigration: Facts, Figures and Data Show ...
Facts, Figures and Statistics Show the Costs and A Dark Side To Illegal
Immigration.
www.usillegalaliens.com/
Do you know P.F. Wagner, or Dan Amato personally? Do you know their credentials extensively? Or are you just another mobile home white trash redneck whose two favorite words are "white power?"

I'm going to guess your answers will be; No, No, and Yes.

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You are warped to think it was written with illegals in mind.
What a LaRacist You are!
No pendeja. You said the Constitution was written for citizens. I proved you wrong. Now you're trying to twist my words.

Tell you what; why don't you go to night school on your days off from your job at McDonald's and get your G.E.D. Perhaps then you'll have an iota of reason with which to discuss highly volatile subjects like illegal immigration, with a hair of an objective mind.

Now I'm being a jerk.
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And what makes you think I care about New Zealand, or Canada for that matter?
I live on the intelligence and ideas of the United States' Constitution. The ideas and intelligence of Europe is written in my roll of Charmin.
You are a fool, you claimed the US first thought of the repeal of slavery, universal sufferage, other general freedoms

You care about New Zealand because you stole their idea of universal sufferage....

you will soon be claiming you invented gay marriage, abolition of the death penalty and

universal health care.

As you can see, you have always been against free human ideas and true liberty. Your constitution is an old dark irrelevant document. You do not live in a true land of liberty and freedom...
Your illegals are probably more advanced than you... by far.

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