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“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1096 Jun 28, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Alcohol has long been a choice for relief of uncontrollable religion - which is why so many religious people frown up on it!
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That, and alcohol tends to bring out the inhibitions-- which makes people utter the bald-faced truth.

And religion **really** frowns on **that**--- religion cannot stand in the face of truth.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1097 Jun 28, 2013
Seeker wrote:
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Well wouldn't it be your bidding for God not to? Obviously, since their are bad things that happen, it wouldn't be God's.
In that case?

Your god?

Isn't all powerful. If he is not **directly** responsible for the bad things?

Then-- by definition-- something ELSE is.

Something your god cannot control.(obviously)

Such a beast isn't really a god at all, then!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1098 Jun 28, 2013
Thinking wrote:
No matter how verbose you become, there is still evidence of avoidable suffering. Therefore there is no all powerful compassionate god.
<quoted text>
Correct.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1099 Jun 28, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay, so what you just basically said is that no matter what I try to explain, you are never going to really consider it, let alone buy into it.
I have considered your excuses. None of them apply, in the global sense-- i.e. over large sections of the population.

All of your excuses-- all-- only apply to individuals only.

Moreover?

Your excuses require a god who is **not** all-powerful!

They require forces beyond your god's ability to control.

That is the **only** way your excuse has even a chance.

But it still fails to explain why god-avoidable suffering happens, randomly, to large chuncks of people.

Every year we read of people who suffer due to lack of rain or some other failure of the weather. Or because of earthquakes. Or flooding. Or other mass calamity.

Clearly? Your god cannot control **any** of those things.

Of course-- a god who does not exist cannot either, so...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1100 Jun 28, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
What are parables?
Bible lies that are published **as** lies.

In contrast to the remainder of the bible, which claims it's lies are not, in fact, lies at all...

... amusing, really.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1103 Jun 28, 2013
atheism is evil wrote:
<quoted text>I find it amusing that you're going to Hell.
Of course you do! You hate me **that** much.

Your Jesus,(were he real) would say to you: "Satan, get thee behind me! I do not know you."

(you are unworthy of a more considered reply-- I'm just reminding you of your rampant and obvious hypocrisy)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1104 Jun 28, 2013
atheism is evil wrote:
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I love seeing you admit that God exists.
I love how you cannot ... read.

And you LIE about what you do manage to read...

... typical christian.

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#1105 Jun 29, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
Well if the desire for true love is selfish,
I never said the desire for true love was selfish. But subjecting a love one to adversity just to prove that they truly love you is selfish. If I had a daughter, I would not allow her to suffer just so that I could appease myself.
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>so be it. But if there is one desire that could actually be pure, that would be it. But maybe if we weren't selfish ourselves, that might change and suffering might end. But in terms of God actually having a desire, well I would think that God would, or else what would be the purpose of creating anything? In fact, the posit of completely detached God doesn't make sense to me because there could be no purpose seen behind bothering to create at all. So what would be the point? and if we posit a wonderful afterlife that would make this look like a blink of an eye, it could be said that ultimately, there is benevolence. But you are starting to get close to the REAL problem, and it isn't
The God of the bible is said to be a jealous god. He is the epitome of selfishness.

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#1106 Jun 29, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Selfish is God's middle name. He according to the bible myth adores blood and sacrifice. He is like a mafia boss demanding your allegiance to him or suffer an eternity in hell. He also likes his followers to eat dung and their own children.
<quoted text>
Exactly. The buybull says that he is a jealous god.

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#1107 Jun 29, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
Well wouldn't it be your bidding for God not to? Obviously, since their are bad things that happen, it wouldn't be God's.
So Thinking is more caring and benevolent than your god?
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text> And while it could be said to be avoidable, is it needless? I'm not sure. How could I really know? And if a wonderful afterlife is posited that would make any suffering in this life look like the blink of an eye, then "ultimate" benevolence could still be postulated.
Ultimate benevolence is only given to those who believe, not to those who do not.
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
But there is also a difference between bad things happening and the concept of "suffering". Animals feel pain, no doubt. But is it "suffering"? Suffering is a concept or idea that we have created where we say that something "should not be". Then there is suffering.
Suffering is not an idea or concept. If you are attacked with a knife wound that caused you to lose a lot of blood, then you suffered the loss of blood.
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text> It involves our judgement of the way things "should" be, based on our judgmental minds. Same thing with "problem". If mankind ceased to exist, nature would continue on in all of it's beauty and violence without a single problem at all. What would be the problem? The idea of "problem" wouldn't even exist. It comes from our judgmental mind which seems to be a quality that animals don't seem to have. Sure they feel pain, but I doubt that they say "this shouldn't be".
We are judgmental,but a god who sends people to a fiery inferno for not believing in him is not.

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#1108 Jun 29, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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I have considered your excuses. None of them apply, in the global sense-- i.e. over large sections of the population.
All of your excuses-- all-- only apply to individuals only.
Moreover?
Your excuses require a god who is **not** all-powerful!
They require forces beyond your god's ability to control.
That is the **only** way your excuse has even a chance.
But it still fails to explain why god-avoidable suffering happens, randomly, to large chuncks of people.
Every year we read of people who suffer due to lack of rain or some other failure of the weather. Or because of earthquakes. Or flooding. Or other mass calamity.
Clearly? Your god cannot control **any** of those things.
Of course-- a god who does not exist cannot either, so...
He makes excuses by claiming that true love can only be shown true adversity and that god sends us trials and tribulations. By that argument, we should all subject our love ones to suffering just so we could claim that they love us. I don't know if you are married with children or not, but by his standards, if you have those, then you should subject them to misery just to see if they will love you anyway.
It is like the witchcraft trials, where they would put the women in water. If they drowned, then they were innocent. If they floated, then they were witches.
Thinking

Lymington, UK

#1109 Jun 29, 2013
Does your heaven myth welcome people that feel the way you do about others?
atheism is evil wrote:
<quoted text>I find it amusing that you're going to Hell.
Thinking

Lymington, UK

#1110 Jun 29, 2013
Very good deconstruction job.
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text> So Thinking is more caring and benevolent than your god?
<quoted text>
Ultimate benevolence is only given to those who believe, not to those who do not.
<quoted text> Suffering is not an idea or concept. If you are attacked with a knife wound that caused you to lose a lot of blood, then you suffered the loss of blood.
<quoted text>
We are judgmental,but a god who sends people to a fiery inferno for not believing in him is not.

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#1111 Jun 29, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Very good deconstruction job.
<quoted text>
I am anticipating what excuse he will come up for to defend his cruel god.

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#1112 Jun 29, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Very good deconstruction job.
<quoted text>
His excuse, that god allows us to suffer because he wants us to show true love, is the lowest of the low. Lovers are not supposed to wish or tolerate suffering on those that they love, no matter the reason.
Thinking

Lymington, UK

#1113 Jun 29, 2013
I call that the "battered wife defence".

"You just don't understand him. He gets angry, but I know he loves me really."
emperorjohn wrote:
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His excuse, that god allows us to suffer because he wants us to show true love, is the lowest of the low. Lovers are not supposed to wish or tolerate suffering on those that they love, no matter the reason.

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#1114 Jun 29, 2013
Thinking wrote:
I call that the "battered wife defence".
"You just don't understand him. He gets angry, but I know he loves me really."
<quoted text>
That is a great title for it.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#1115 Jun 29, 2013
atheism is evil wrote:
<quoted text>I find it amusing that you're going to Hell.
Your imagination is a weird place.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#1116 Jun 29, 2013
Seeker wrote:
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Agreed. I think that I understood what your last response meant. As soon as you stopped analyzing what I said, piece by piece, as you did earlier, I knew that was your unequivocal stance, and you made that quite clear to me. No need for either of us to waste anymore time. Thanks again.
The liar with no proof of god backs out of another argument because he can't prove what he says.

Since: Mar 11

Henderson, KY

#1117 Jun 29, 2013
Best look up that term because wow you just majorly placed it wrong. Like Lincoln bad!

Your IQ just sank another 20 points
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>Argumentum ad populum?

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