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“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#631 Jun 9, 2013
Shamma wrote:
An animal kills another animal or a human being and does not experience the feeling of right and wrong.
Lie: why are monkeys, squirrels, whales and elephants born with the capacity of knowing right from wrong?

As soon as you can answer that? You'll have a clue why a cooperative species such as humans is.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#632 Jun 10, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>You are a dumb bell.
You failed to properly read my post.
My post said humans are born with the capacity to come to the knowledge of right and wrong.
Animals are not born with that capacity, they are born with instincts to survive.
You copped out for lack of having an answer to my post.
Life experience is having the capacity to understand right from wrong at birth.
It is not acquired from experience.
An animal kills another animal or a human being and does not experience the feeling of right and wrong.
So the idea that the knowledge of right and wrong was acquired from human experience is a falsehood created by atheist.
As far as history can record man has always felt remorse over a lost loved one, and showed respect for the dead by crating a burial grave for its dead.
An excerpt from your post on the previous page >>>> The point is that it is not that the human brain being larger than an animal that makes a difference between animals and human's, but rather it is the innate knowledge of right and wrong human's are born with.

Also this bit of rot, same post >>> An animal is born without the capacity to choose what is right or wrong, and it remains unchangeable in its state of being.

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...

To this post, my responses are as follows >>> Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong, somewhat true. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. True, but so does the elephant.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#633 Jun 10, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Lie: why are monkeys, squirrels, whales and elephants born with the capacity of knowing right from wrong?
As soon as you can answer that? You'll have a clue why a cooperative species such as humans is.
They don't know the difference, they act out of instinct which is different from making choices based on moral intelligence.

Thus Darwin's program for explaining the genesis and development of morality by means of natural selection seems to have failed at a crucial point. That is to say, he tried to appeal to what we now call 'group selection'(i.e. an advantageous group survives and individuals of that group indirectly change), but he admitted that this group selection is not likely to be supported by natural selection working on individuals.

So that leaves you back at square one without an explanation.
Most of Darwin's theories are based on imaginary situations.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#634 Jun 10, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>They don't know the difference, they act out of instinct which is different from making choices based on moral intelligence.
You are so certain of this..... because?

Elephants are **certainly** intelligent--- they have been observed mourning their dead, for example.

Clearly, they follow more than mere instinct.

And just as clearly? YOU NEVER OWNED EITHER A DOG OR A CAT.

Or else if you did, you simply ignored them or abused them-- likely both...

You are seriously missing a few screws...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#635 Jun 10, 2013
Shamma wrote:
So that leaves you back at square one without an explanation.
Most of Darwin's theories are based on imaginary situations.
Nope.

Your first assumption is 100% false.

So the rest of your insane rant is false as a result-- nothing to hang it on.

As I said? You have several loose screws...
Lincoln

United States

#636 Jun 12, 2013
Relax, Atheism is going nowhere in the United States.
Your posts are counterproductive but funny.
LOL
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope.
Your first assumption is 100% false.
So the rest of your insane rant is false as a result-- nothing to hang it on.
As I said? You have several loose screws...
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#637 Jun 12, 2013
An animal cannot judge and or observe itself as if he or she were someone else, like humans can do. Humans can observe their actions as if they were someone else and judge themselves as good or bad, as they can do with others. This has nothing to do with religion. All people, whether religious or not, can judge themselves and see themselves as good or bad. Atheists absolutely have morals and can judge themselves just like everybody can. And they can be just as kind or just as bad as anyone else, and they can have a guilty conscience just like anybody can. But it would seems that this is a uniquely human trait, as far as we currently know, and animals can't have a guilty conscience.

Another thing that animals cannot do, as far as we know so far, is that they can't ask WHY things are the way they are. Animals can ask why things are a certain way in terms of trying to figure out a solution to a problem they have, ie, how to open the door to get food, so their question is, how or why does the door work that way. But they cannot ask questions about larger purposes as in, "well, why is the door even there in the first place and what is it's larger purpose or meaning?".

Another thing they can't do, as far as we can tell, is to laugh or understand humor, which is a very bizarre and unique human trait. They can cry in their own way or mourn, but strangely enough, they cannot laugh or understand humor. Please don't anybody give an example of the laughing hyena.

If I am not aware of something and people can give examples where animals can judge themselves and ask deeper questions of general purpose for things or meaning for things or search for a meaning for their own life, and they can laugh or understand humor, then I am all ears. It is known that they can calculate and even love, and mourn just like humans, but that would appear to be as far as it goes.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#638 Jun 12, 2013
Just to clarify the above that I posted, animals can know they did something wrong, But only if you or a fellow animal tells them that by getting angry with them. It would seem that they have no capabilities of self reflection like humans appear to have.

Since: Mar 11

Henderson, KY

#639 Jun 12, 2013
Yet you Christholes waste several hours and dollars on us. It seems counter productive if the movement wasn't going anywhere....
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>Relax, Atheism is going nowhere in the United States.
Your posts are counterproductive but funny.
LOL
Lincoln

United States

#640 Jun 12, 2013
Why do you attack agnostics?
Givemeliberty wrote:
Yet you Christholes waste several hours and dollars on us. It seems counter productive if the movement wasn't going anywhere....
<quoted text>

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#641 Jun 12, 2013
Seeker wrote:
Just to clarify the above that I posted, animals can know they did something wrong, But only if you or a fellow animal tells them that by getting angry with them. It would seem that they have no capabilities of self reflection like humans appear to have.
It would seem that you have zero (none) experience with animals in any form-- which is probably a good thing, as you'd likely neglect them such that they'd die.

Animals are born with social cooperative emotions. Just like humans are-- we are all animals, after all.

These emotional drives help the animal to work within the group, and they work quite well.

So, really, an animal does know about right/wrong-- within the scope of that animal's group.

Without a group? "right" and "wrong" become meaningless anyway.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#642 Jun 12, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
It would seem that you have zero (none) experience with animals in any form
I had a Black Lab for 14 years, and often they can be the most human animals that you can ever imagine. Sometimes even more human than humans themselves. He sure showed a bigger heart than most humans that I know. So I have no idea of what you can possibly be saying.
Thinking

Poole, UK

#643 Jun 12, 2013
Why are you dishonest?

Feeling the heat?
Lincoln wrote:
Why do you attack agnostics?
<quoted text>
Lincoln

United States

#644 Jun 12, 2013
Being an agnostic seems honest.
Why do you hate those who do not share your beliefs?
Thinking wrote:
Why are you dishonest?
Feeling the heat?
<quoted text>

Since: Mar 11

Henderson, KY

#645 Jun 12, 2013
I don't. You are an admitted right wing Christian and you know it.
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>Why do you attack agnostics?

Since: Mar 11

Henderson, KY

#646 Jun 12, 2013
Exactly agnostics don't run around defending Jesus and god all day long using Christian apologetic arguments.
Thinking wrote:
<quoted text>Why are you dishonest?

Feeling the heat?

Since: Mar 11

Henderson, KY

#647 Jun 12, 2013
Agnosticism has nothing to do with belief it has to do with knowledge.

Why do you attack non believers?

Certainly you are not an agnostic.
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>Being an agnostic seems honest.
Why do you hate those who do not share your beliefs?
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#649 Jun 12, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Agnosticism has nothing to do with belief it has to do with knowledge.
Actually, the definition of gnostic has to do with knowing, and agnostic means not knowing. Have you ever even stepped foot in any college, let alone a University? And yet you KNOW it all and want to tell everybody else how it is? You never listen to anything. Anybody who is completely dismissive without being able to explain why, in detail, as you have continually done, is someone who is not well educated. Forget about religion for a moment, I can tell that you don't even have any formal education in Philosophy nor Psychology. I think it was you that actually had the ignorance to even poo poo Heisenberg, one of the most brilliant minds in Physics, as merely a dead German. That alone shows your ignorance and lack of education. BTW, let me ask you, just how many guns do you have? Do you have any semi anarchist leanings? I'm not making any claim, just asking and exploring.
Givemeliberty wrote:
Why do you attack non believers?
Certainly you are not an agnostic.
<quoted text>
And you are an "us verse them" sort of person, and I love to see you and Shamma argue about things because you and him are the same person on the opposite sides of the spectrum, and neither of you have the faintest idea of that. So you guys are two peas in a pod, made for each other. Dogma verse dogma. You say he's stupid, and he's says you are stupid and going to hell. Perfect. A conversation where neither listens to a word the other says and instead just exchanges insufficiently explained, blanket claims. You're wrong. No, you're wrong. And nothing of any real substance ever comes of it, except for mutual anger.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#650 Jun 12, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Animals are born with social cooperative emotions. Just like humans are-- we are all animals, after all.
These emotional drives help the animal to work within the group, and they work quite well.
So, really, an animal does know about right/wrong-- within the scope of that animal's group.
Without a group? "right" and "wrong" become meaningless anyway.
What about the term that I mentioned called "self reflection"? What does that term mean to you?
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#651 Jun 12, 2013

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