If Health Law Is Overturned, What Wil...

If Health Law Is Overturned, What Will Liberals Do?

There are 4941 comments on the thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com story from Mar 28, 2012, titled If Health Law Is Overturned, What Will Liberals Do?. In it, thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com reports that:

If the Supreme Court strikes down all or part of President Obama 's health care law , it will have unraveled a legislative compromise that many liberals had viewed with suspicion from the beginning.

In one of the ironies of recent politics, Mr. Obama was a late convert to the merits of the individual mandate that now appears to be in danger of being declared unconstitutional.

But the presidentís embrace of the mandate ó and his willingness to abandon a so-called public option to get a health care deal ó was a hard pill to swallow for many of his Democratic supporters.

The Affordable Care Act promises to provide health insurance to millions who lacked it. But it also stops far short of the idea that health care is a basic right for everyone living in the country. And it embraces the market-based system of private health care delivery that has long existed in America.

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Churmudgeon

Mountain Home, AR

#5370 Feb 21, 2013
New Fears Over Major Cataclysmic Event As Earth Reels From Nine Major Quakes In 5 Days
February 4, 2013 7 Year Tribulation, Earthquakes, Hurricanes, Tsunamis
An earthquake of magnitude 6.7 struck off the coast of the Solomon Islands (Santa Cruz) in the Pacific Ocean, the U.S. Geological Survey said on Friday.
The quake was later downgraded by the USGS to a 6.3 magnitude event. The depth of the quake was 10 km (6.2 miles) and the epicenter was 68 km southwest of Lata. But the real issue is that 9 major quakes have struck in a period of 5 days..and Scientists are running scared to death of the catastrophic consequences that may soon be unleashed on this planet.
The quake hit at 9:16 a.m. local time on Saturday. The Pacific Tsunami Warning Center did not immediately issue any alerts on its website. This quake was underscored by an even stronger 6.9 magnitude earthquake that just struck the Hokkaido region of East Japan on February 2nd.
This is the ninth major earthquake to strike the planet in the last five days. The present cluster of earthquakes began with a 6.0 event in Eastern Kazakhstan on January 28th, following a full moon on January 27, 2013.
Perhaps, it may not be readily apparent to most that our planet appears to now be inching towards the spectrum of some major cataclysmic event.
This approaching black swan occurrence is characterized by the gradual escalation of geological activity of a violent seismic and volcanic nature.
44 volcanic eruptive events have already been recorded for the month of January; where there was only 77 chronicled for the entire year of 2012.
The on-going volcanic activity in Kamchatka also provides compelling testament that massive changes are now taking place within the planetís interior. No less than 4 volcanoes on the Far Eastern peninsula of Kamchatka are erupting simultaneous, though all the volcanoes lie in relative close proximity to each other (with a 110 km radius).
Even more interesting, the magma flow fueling each volcanic system appears to emanting from a separate magma source. However, whatís even more disconcerting is the fact that Plosky Tolbachik volcano awakened from 40 years of dormancy and is now ejecting massive rivers of lava across the landscape of Kamchatka.
Russian scientists attest this is the first time rivers of lava have ever flowed from one of the Kamchatka volcanoes during the Holocene period. Large-scale protracted effusive eruptions, such as these, are generally fueled by a deep magma source.
Most originate from a magma plume from deep inside the planetís crust. Both of the planetís volcanoes, which have had large effusive eruptions in the past, Kileaua (Hawaii) and Mount Etna (Italy) both lie over magma plumes- Kamchatkaís Plosky Tolbchik volcano does not.
Kamchatka peninsula, which has a total land mass that is slightly larger than Germany, is one of the most active parts of the infamous ďRing of Fire,Ē the zone of volcanic and seismic activity that encircles the Pacific Ocean.
Three tectonic plates ó the North American Plate, the Okhotsk Plate, and the Pacific Plate ó collide beneath Kamchatka, with the peninsulaís coastal range boasting 30 active volcanoes. The crust is thinning here, and is becoming more fractured, as seismic stresses increase.
Ominous change in the South Pacific: The Santa Cruz seismic swarms are unfolding against an even more complex geological backdrop. Consequently, the effects of this massive seismic upheaval signals ominous change for the entire Pacific basin.
To the west, the Indo-Australian plate is breaking up, after the largest strike-slip earthquakes ever recorded, struck off the coast of Indonesia in April of 2012. The Solomon Sea Plate, to the east, is an oceanic crustal plate remnant, which is disappearing into two subduction zones, one to its north, the other on its southwest margin.
Churmudgeon

Mountain Home, AR

#5371 Feb 21, 2013
New Fears Over Major Cataclysmic Event As Earth Reels From Nine Major Quakes In 5 Days

February 4, 2013 7 Year Tribulation, Earthquakes, Hurricanes, Tsunamis

An earthquake of magnitude 6.7 struck off the coast of the Solomon Islands (Santa Cruz) in the Pacific Ocean, the U.S. Geological Survey said on Friday.

The quake was later downgraded by the USGS to a 6.3 magnitude event. The depth of the quake was 10 km (6.2 miles) and the epicenter was 68 km southwest of Lata. But the real issue is that 9 major quakes have struck in a period of 5 days..and Scientists are running scared to death of the catastrophic consequences that may soon be unleashed on this planet.

The quake hit at 9:16 a.m. local time on Saturday. The Pacific Tsunami Warning Center did not immediately issue any alerts on its website. This quake was underscored by an even stronger 6.9 magnitude earthquake that just struck the Hokkaido region of East Japan on February 2nd.

This is the ninth major earthquake to strike the planet in the last five days. The present cluster of earthquakes began with a 6.0 event in Eastern Kazakhstan on January 28th, following a full moon on January 27, 2013.

Perhaps, it may not be readily apparent to most that our planet appears to now be inching towards the spectrum of some major cataclysmic event.

This approaching black swan occurrence is characterized by the gradual escalation of geological activity of a violent seismic and volcanic nature.

44 volcanic eruptive events have already been recorded for the month of January; where there was only 77 chronicled for the entire year of 2012.

The on-going volcanic activity in Kamchatka also provides compelling testament that massive changes are now taking place within the planetís interior. No less than 4 volcanoes on the Far Eastern peninsula of Kamchatka are erupting simultaneous, though all the volcanoes lie in relative close proximity to each other (with a 110 km radius).

Even more interesting, the magma flow fueling each volcanic system appears to emanting from a separate magma source. However, whatís even more disconcerting is the fact that Plosky Tolbachik volcano awakened from 40 years of dormancy and is now ejecting m

To the west, the Indo-Australian plate is breaking up, after the largest strike-slip earthquakes ever recorded, struck off the coast of Indonesia in April of 2012. The Solomon Sea Plate, to the east, is an oceanic crustal plate remnant, which is disappearing into two subduction zones, one to its north, the other on its southwest margin.

Its southeast margin runs along the Woodlark Rise, undefined compressive zone, which may be a transform fault marking the boundary with the adjoining Woodlark Plate. The northern subduction zone is located where the Solomon Plate is diving below the South Bismarck Plate to the northwest and the Pacific Plate to the northeast.

The northwest part of the subduction zone is called the New Britain Subduction Zone. New Britain in Papua New Guinea is the volcanic island formed from this collision and resulting volcanism.

The southwestern subduction zone is where the Solomon Pate is diving below the Indo-Australian Plate. According to scientists, the Indo-Australian plate may in the process of breaking up, and this heightened activity around the Santa Cruz Islands is placing additional pressures on a tectonic plate, already exhibiting strains of fracturing.

We should continue to watch the region of Indonesia for massive changes to come, including very large-scale volcanic eruptions. Nearly all of the planetís current 15 tectonic plates, and in some cases, sub-plates and volcanic arcs are heavily stressed by the recent violent mobility of tectonic plates shaken by earthquakes.

Iíve never quite seen a pattern this fraught with potential hazards or as heavily laden with seismic tension. The planet is now experiencing a major geological crisis, and itís showing some indication of worsening.
favcax

Pittsburgh, PA

#5372 Feb 25, 2013
http://youtube.com/watch...
Questioning a Period
just the Budget or over spend again

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#5373 Feb 26, 2013
Churmudgeon wrote:
New Fears Over Major Cataclysmic Event As Earth Reels From Nine Major Quakes In 5 Days
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We should continue to watch the region of Indonesia for massive changes to come, including very large-scale volcanic eruptions. Nearly all of the planetís current 15 tectonic plates, and in some cases, sub-plates and volcanic arcs are heavily stressed by the recent violent mobility of tectonic plates shaken by earthquakes.
Iíve never quite seen a pattern this fraught with potential hazards or as heavily laden with seismic tension. The planet is now experiencing a major geological crisis, and itís showing some indication of worsening.
We are having boat loads of illegals arriving every day without 200 million Indonesians knocking on our door. All I know with climate changing the way it is, it is not safe to buy near the coast or the tropic zones anymore. Either way your house is bound to be blown over or under water. Would you believe the insurance companies now want over $5000 a year to insure homes in the northern states that have been dumped on with weather the past few years. I told you this would happen.
Churmudgeon

Mountain Home, AR

#5374 Feb 26, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
We are having boat loads of illegals arriving every day without 200 million Indonesians knocking on our door. All I know with climate changing the way it is, it is not safe to buy near the coast or the tropic zones anymore. Either way your house is bound to be blown over or under water. Would you believe the insurance companies now want over $5000 a year to insure homes in the northern states that have been dumped on with weather the past few years. I told you this would happen.
I dont believe folks who build in low lying flood prone areas should be able to buy insurance anyway. They should build on high ground or build a house boat on a barge.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#5375 Feb 28, 2013
Interesting article in the NYT re:climate change

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/01/science/ear...
curmudgeon

Ash Flat, AR

#5378 Mar 19, 2013

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#5379 Mar 19, 2013
Churmudgeon wrote:
<quoted text> I dont believe folks who build in low lying flood prone areas should be able to buy insurance anyway. They should build on high ground or build a house boat on a barge.
^^ This. When we lived in Houston there was a poor white area near where the San Jacinto River crosses I-10 called Banana Bend that flooded just about every storm. Those people there got all kinds of help from FEMA - they'd get flooded out, get low interest loans, and rebuild, lather, rince, repeat. They abused the system and we subsidized their lifestyle. It's like Sam Kinison's advice tos tarving Ethiopians: "You live in a desert; move!"
TheUglyTruth

Manhattan, KS

#5380 Mar 19, 2013
This whole thread should've been erased at least a year ago. It's not even about health care anymore. It's about conservative extremists jerking off in each other's faces.
curmudgeon

Mountain Home, AR

#5382 Mar 22, 2013

Since: Jul 11

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#5383 Mar 23, 2013
curmudgeon wrote:
http://theeconomiccollapseblog .com/archives/after-the-bankst ers-steal-money-from-bank-acco unts-in-cyprus-they-will-start -doing-it-everywhere
All they did is copy the wall st model, lent to the greeks who could not pay and sent the country bankrupt. All this would never have happened if Reagan had not cut all the "red tape" as he called it on financial transactions. You can't blame other countries for following the Wall St model, after all in the financial world there are no borders. So if some cowboy bank is offering 2-3% higher returns on so called AAA products then it's obvious others will follow suite. Fact was that in some cases 40% of those AAA products were not worth a dime. So why should some poor bastard who saved a lifetime have to pay for a greedy banker's mistake.
curmudgeon

Mountain Home, AR

#5384 Mar 23, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
All they did is copy the wall st model, lent to the greeks who could not pay and sent the country bankrupt. All this would never have happened if Reagan had not cut all the "red tape" as he called it on financial transactions. You can't blame other countries for following the Wall St model, after all in the financial world there are no borders. So if some cowboy bank is offering 2-3% higher returns on so called AAA products then it's obvious others will follow suite. Fact was that in some cases 40% of those AAA products were not worth a dime. So why should some poor bastard who saved a lifetime have to pay for a greedy banker's mistake.
Yes your correct/. The derivates market hasnt helped. If the Obama folks hadnt been funnelling money into the banks & stock market it would not be so high. This whole stagnant economy is a ponzi scheme that will eventually collapse. Now the question is Do the Cyprus parlament dare try and steal money from the Russaian Mafia? Those former KGB will extract revenge if you steal from them.
Curmudgeon

Ash Flat, AR

#5386 Jun 18, 2013
well the health cre plan snt madatory until 2014 and its allready having a negative imact. many buisnesses are reducing their workforce so they wont have to pay. There isnt any reward great enough or any punishment harsh enough to cause the USA gun owners to registar or give up their arms. That stubborn additude will carry on when it comes to the illegal & uncounstitional health care. The second admendment gives the means to disobey uncounstitional laws.
garrfem

Mckeesport, PA

#5389 Jun 18, 2013
youtube.com/watch... ÖÖÖÖÖ Get Lucky the Liberals might deport more Illegal Aliens?

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#5391 Jun 18, 2013
Curmudgeon wrote:
well the health cre plan snt madatory until 2014 and its allready having a negative imact. many buisnesses are reducing their workforce so they wont have to pay. There isnt any reward great enough or any punishment harsh enough to cause the USA gun owners to registar or give up their arms. That stubborn additude will carry on when it comes to the illegal & uncounstitional health care. The second admendment gives the means to disobey uncounstitional laws.
Some employers here in Indiana have already dropped their employee sponsored health insurance because it was cheaper to pay the fine than keep the employees employer sponsored health Insurance and there is more to come.
Curmudgeon

Ash Flat, AR

#5392 Jun 19, 2013
The picture frame factory in pocahontas ar terminated all of its full time employees. they replaced the forklift operator who had been there for 38 years with two 19 hour per week workers from AID Temporary. And I dont blame them. They are doing the correct thing. All of the right,s named in the Counstition & Bill of Rights where not given to the citizens by the founders. Those are inalienable Rights. They are god Given rights. A citizen has a moral obligation to disobey and not comply with uncounstitional laws. the Tax and spend economy is doomed . too many parasite takers and too few producing makers.
disgusting

Junction City, KS

#5393 Jun 19, 2013
Curmudgeon wrote:
The picture frame factory in pocahontas ar terminated all of its full time employees. they replaced the forklift operator who had been there for 38 years with two 19 hour per week workers from AID Temporary. And I dont blame them. They are doing the correct thing. All of the right,s named in the Counstition & Bill of Rights where not given to the citizens by the founders. Those are inalienable Rights. They are god Given rights. A citizen has a moral obligation to disobey and not comply with uncounstitional laws. the Tax and spend economy is doomed . too many parasite takers and too few producing makers.
I think the owner sound like a disgusting pos. If you're telling the truth. If that is the way they're going to treat a loyal employee just to save a few bucks, wow - totally disgusting. But, according to their web site "Pinnacle Frames and Accents is an equal opportunity employer who offers competitive salaries and benefit packages." So, which is it?

Fortunately, it seems across the country most small businesses are not following through with the "sky is falling" doom and gloom prophecies. Kinda like when businesses went up in arms about having to pay a minimum wage all the boo hooing about how that was going to destroy business. It is unfortunate that we need government to step in when people refuse to do the right thing, but you're picture frame company is a perfect example.

BTW - What is in our constitution and bill of rights are man-given rights. It was a bunch of men who wrote it - not God. I have yet to see anywhere in the Bible that God said we have any freedom at all, but of course I am sure in due time there will be another rewrite of the book that will include that somewhere!
Curmudgeon

Ash Flat, AR

#5395 Jun 19, 2013
Jody Smith 60 years old was given a pink slip last christmas. He lives at Ravenden Spring,s Ar. His pink slip simply stated that his position was eliminated. He recieved nothing . Zero no severance no early retirement nothing. He was allowed to draw unemployment. Jody loved his job. 38 years and never missed a day. He planned on working there until he was 65. Len Anderson also of Ravenden Springs is another lomgtime employee who was let go. The local Wal Mart has reduced it,s employees hours. they now have very few full time employees. Buisness does what it hs to do in order to survive. Most of our factories here Up and left. they went to some other country. TRW, Skill,Brown Shoe, Waterloo, and several more just closed down.Myself Im in buisness and know the hardships that are placed upon the owner by the goverment. And Everyones counstitional rights even yours are indeed god given
Curmudgeon

Ash Flat, AR

#5397 Jun 19, 2013
Ok that factory started out in a local mans garage. Mr Maggee made picture frames from wood bought from local sawmillers. He expanded and grew his buisness. then he sold to the tandy corporation. Tandy sold to pinnacle. They dont even make wood picture frames anymore. Its a assembly plant where foriegn made plastic componets are assembled and repackaged. The managers are local guys who are scared shitless that they will meet the same fate as jody smith. Im ok with the companys refusing to comply with the uncounstitional health care law. The more who dont comply the better. If everyone refused to comply what are the goverment enforcers gonna do? The goverment cant force or bribe anyone to willingly do something as unpopular and costly as the Health care.The Health care has already caused many jobs to be gone. It will cause many more jobs & buisness to dissappear.What it does is force citizens to engage in commerce. Your told buy health insurance or else? You become a criminial if you dont do something.

Since: Jul 11

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#5398 Jun 19, 2013
Curmudgeon wrote:
Ok that factory started out in a local mans garage. Mr Maggee made picture frames from wood bought from local sawmillers. He expanded and grew his buisness. then he sold to the tandy corporation. Tandy sold to pinnacle. They dont even make wood picture frames anymore. Its a assembly plant where foriegn made plastic componets are assembled and repackaged. The managers are local guys who are scared shitless that they will meet the same fate as jody smith. Im ok with the companys refusing to comply with the uncounstitional health care law. The more who dont comply the better. If everyone refused to comply what are the goverment enforcers gonna do? The goverment cant force or bribe anyone to willingly do something as unpopular and costly as the Health care.The Health care has already caused many jobs to be gone. It will cause many more jobs & buisness to dissappear.What it does is force citizens to engage in commerce. Your told buy health insurance or else? You become a criminial if you dont do something.
It's one thing to set up a business that only makes a profit by by-passing the government rules and another thing altogether a business model who factors in all the gov rules & reg to still profit.
Doing what it takes to survive is fine even the biggest companies go through that from Apple who may make a phone no one wants to the local picture frame guy. But never use the excuse its because of the health insurance or taxes or some other fee that sends them broke. That is BS, the G8 meeting that never agree on anything, agreed on closing all the tax havens that has become a national pastime for leading companies around the world including major US companies. That is business behaving at its worst.

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