Decimating the Declaration and Consti...

Decimating the Declaration and Constitution

There are 257 comments on the Asheville Citizen-Times story from Nov 11, 2008, titled Decimating the Declaration and Constitution. In it, Asheville Citizen-Times reports that:

Comments on Topix forums : The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution have been ignored by many present day so-called Americans.

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BuncCyBapt

Asheville, NC

#81 Nov 14, 2008
the roo wrote:
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Chuck-I sure wish you knew Jefferson better than you let on. Who gave to you the correct meaning of what Jesus said? All of our civil rights are based on the laws God originally gave. You are familiar with them, aren't you?
God is a despot. He doesn't believe in civil rights. See the bible. He said to obey Roman law, some of the most draconian in the history of the world. And he's the same god who went crazy and destroyed entire towns, women and children and cattle and all, because the men cocked their legs and "pisseth against the wall."

Don't be such a little courtesan.

Civil rights were acquired by wresting them away from oppressive kings who claimed their power by "divine right." We got our civil rights by kicking King George out and choosing brilliant scholars as Founders who had read the political philosophies of Montesquieu, Locke, Voltaire, and Rousseau. Most of the Founders, as well as the above philosophers, were known by their dislike for religion, and Christianity in particular. That's the reason why our Constitution does not have the word 'god' in it anywhere and forbids a religious test as a condition of public office.

Since: Oct 07

Wilkesboro, NC

#82 Nov 14, 2008
G-hogg wrote:
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Written before the USC so of little other than historical value.
The North Carolina Constitution was written before the USC. Should it have no value?
Does history matter?
Dan from America

Ireland

#83 Nov 14, 2008
susan boyer wrote:
Someone sent me a picture of a tombstone engraved with the words that sum up the election. It read:
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
Born: July 4, 1776
Died: November 4, 2008
SUICIDE
It's not dead yet but has been dying since December 23rd 1913. How long before America gasps its final breath depends on the ones who control the nation's money and how long America still has its uses to bring about world govt. After that will be time for the tombstone. Of course that depends on how long Americans continue to sleep and listen to the rhetoric of their leaders as gospel and continue to praise them as saviors.
Etowah

Mills River, NC

#84 Nov 14, 2008
What a world we live in, GOD HELP US ALL.
the roo

Arden, NC

#85 Nov 14, 2008
Bunc--I see your grasp of who God is and what He wants is unmistakable. When is even the last time you read your Bible? Do you have one?
the roo

Arden, NC

#86 Nov 14, 2008
Chuck--You should know that the NC Constitution has little influence on the USC. That is, if one assumes it to be the NCC.
the roo

Arden, NC

#87 Nov 14, 2008
Dan--You'l l have to explain to us how you think you know so much.
the roo

Arden, NC

#88 Nov 14, 2008
Chuck--Your statement that "no God wrote the 10" describes you to a tee. Thanks for that admition.
the roo

Arden, NC

#89 Nov 14, 2008
Bunc--Your knowledge of history is quite astounding. You also knew what all of our Founders thought too, didn't you?
BuncCyBapt

Asheville, NC

#90 Nov 14, 2008
the roo wrote:
Bunc--I see your grasp of who God is and what He wants is unmistakable. When is even the last time you read your Bible? Do you have one?
I was raised a seminaried batpist preacher's son and read the bible over and over. I used to argue the bible with him and win every time. At close to a hundred years old he died, and I have no one left to debate with. How about you?

Do you ever crack your bible? And what part of the bible do you want to discuss?
Mike

United States

#91 Nov 14, 2008
Though social policies sometimes governed the course of tax policy even in the early days of the Republic, the nature of these policies did not extend either to the collection of taxes so as to equalize incomes and wealth, or for the purpose of redistributing income or wealth. As Thomas Jefferson once wrote regarding the "general Welfare" clause:

To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his father has acquired too much, in order to spare to others who (or whose fathers) have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, "to guarantee to everyone a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it."

Obama needs to take a refresher course on early American history so he can see how abusive his tax policies are.
BuncCyBapt

Asheville, NC

#92 Nov 14, 2008
the roo wrote:
Bunc--Your knowledge of history is quite astounding. You also knew what all of our Founders thought too, didn't you?
I've read what many of them have said. That would indicate what they were thinking.
BuncCyBapt

Asheville, NC

#93 Nov 14, 2008
the roo wrote:
Chuck--Your statement that "no God wrote the 10" describes you to a tee. Thanks for that admition.
Hey, you stupid git, what's an "admition?"
BuncCyBapt

Asheville, NC

#94 Nov 14, 2008
Dan from America wrote:
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It's not dead yet but has been dying since December 23rd 1913. How long before America gasps its final breath depends on the ones who control the nation's money and how long America still has its uses to bring about world govt. After that will be time for the tombstone. Of course that depends on how long Americans continue to sleep and listen to the rhetoric of their leaders as gospel and continue to praise them as saviors.
What you doing back in Ireland, fella? Don't you miss us? Well, at least if you come here you won't be slumming it half-starved in steerage, all lean and bony, like my Virginia forebears did just before the Civil War.

And what's the significance of 1913? Oh, oh, federal reserve system.

We should go back to gold and silver? What's your solution to the problem?
Guest

Ava, MO

#95 Nov 14, 2008
Chuck Zimmerman wrote:
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Your ignorance is only surpassed by the depth of your lies.
Jefferson wrote the DOI using Mason's Declaration of Rights as adopted by the Virginia House of Burgesses on June 12, 1776.. His ban of slavery was eliminated & he thought that the final preamble of the DOI was "mutilated". Regardless, Madison attached Mason's Virginia Declaration of Rights to the new Constitution as the "Virginia plan". It is the basis of the Bill of Rights, along with Madison's Remonstrance And Remembrance and Jefferson's Act For Establishing Religious Freedom.
Thomas Jefferson "I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever."
Guest

Ava, MO

#96 Nov 14, 2008
BuncCyBapt wrote:
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I was raised a seminaried batpist preacher's son and read the bible over and over. I used to argue the bible with him and win every time. At close to a hundred years old he died, and I have no one left to debate with. How about you?
Do you ever crack your bible? And what part of the bible do you want to discuss?
(1Cor 2:14 [KJV])
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

(Isa 47:10 [KJV])
For thou hast trusted in thy wickedness: thou hast said, None seeth me. Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee; and thou hast said in thine heart, I [am], and none else beside me.

Since: Aug 07

Greer, SC

#97 Nov 14, 2008
Chuck Zimmerman wrote:
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The North Carolina Constitution was written before the USC. Should it have no value?
Does history matter?
But of course history matters! The NCC could not supersede the USC, as was determined from 1861-65. Might say the same for Va. The NCC was then redone from scratch in 1868 and reworked again in 1971.
BuncCyBapt

Asheville, NC

#98 Nov 14, 2008
Guest wrote:
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(1Cor 2:14 [KJV])
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
(Isa 47:10 [KJV])
For thou hast trusted in thy wickedness: thou hast said, None seeth me. Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee; and thou hast said in thine heart, I [am], and none else beside me.
Well, at least you're using the KJV. Which is a plus for you and raises you a couple of notches in my estimation. You know, Coleridge, an atheist, said you could learn good English by studying the King James bible.

Paul and Isaiah. Hmmmm. Well, you know Isaiah said he saw God all high and lifted up in the temple, and Moses said he saw God, but God said you couldn't see Him and that if you did you would surely die. So he mooned Moses. But then Moses later said he had beheld the face of God. Do you reckon he lied?

No, I am a learned man, but not a scholar. Life is too short to be a scholar. So I have been a 21st Century sensitive new-age guy.

I will try and report more back to you, in specifics to your scripture. My doggies and a young lady beckon. Such wonderful earthly pleasures.

Since: Aug 07

Greer, SC

#99 Nov 14, 2008
Chuck Zimmerman wrote:
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Seems the Supremes disagree.
From Edwards vs. Aguillard:
The history of the Religion Clauses of the First Amendment has been chronicled by this Court in detail. See, e. g., Everson v. Board of Education, 330 U.S. 1, 8 -14 (1947); Engel v. Vitale, 370 U.S. 421, 425 -430 (1962); McGowan v. Maryland, supra, at 437-442. Therefore, only a brief review at this point may be appropriate. The early settlers came to this country from Europe to escape religious persecution that took the form of forced support of state-established churches. The new Americans thus reacted strongly when they perceived the same type of religious intolerance emerging in this country. The reaction in Virginia, the home of many of the Founding Fathers, is instructive. George Mason's draft of the Virginia Declaration of Rights was adopted by the House of Burgesses in 1776. Because of James Madison's influence, the Declaration of Rights embodied the guarantee of free exercise of religion, as opposed to toleration. Eight years later, a provision prohibiting the establishment of religion became a part of Virginia law when James Madison's Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious [482 U.S. 578, 606] Assessments, written in response to a proposal that all Virginia citizens be taxed to support the teaching of the Christian religion, spurred the legislature to consider and adopt Thomas Jefferson's Bill for Establishing Religious Freedom. See Committee for Public Education & Religious Liberty v. Nyquist, 413 U.S., at 770 , n. 28. Both the guarantees of free exercise and against the establishment of religion were then incorporated into the Federal Bill of Rights by its drafter, James Madison.
This is not the opinion handed down, but rather the basis of the concurring decisions of Powell and O'Connor.
digruntled

Glennville, GA

#100 Nov 14, 2008
Mike wrote:
Though social policies sometimes governed the course of tax policy even in the early days of the Republic, the nature of these policies did not extend either to the collection of taxes so as to equalize incomes and wealth, or for the purpose of redistributing income or wealth. As Thomas Jefferson once wrote regarding the "general Welfare" clause:
To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his father has acquired too much, in order to spare to others who (or whose fathers) have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, "to guarantee to everyone a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it."
Obama needs to take a refresher course on early American history so he can see how abusive his tax policies are.
How can his tax policies be abusive? He is not even in office yet and thus has not implemented any policies.

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