Wiki Leaks - Europe "Troubled More...by...people

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#1 Jul 28, 2010
"Guardian Editor on Coverage of Afghan War Logs: European Audience "Troubled More...by the Toll this War is Taking on Innocent People"

Europe consistently stays out of these wars because they care about human lives, but the American people STILL haven't successfully demanded that these wars-for-profit have to stop, and have demanded absolutely NO ACCOUNTABILITY, which would help prevent future slaughter of our young.

Since the American people don't care about the lives of their own citizens, they certainly don't care that innocent people are killed by their soldiers:
"But what got to me and what I had not seen reported properly before was incident after incident, day after day, in which troopers in patrols or on convoys just shot drivers or motorcyclists or passersby, because they were frightened that they might be suicide bombers. And so, if they didn’t give way to a convoy or they got too close, they just blasted them with machine guns. And then, of course, it would turn out they weren’t bombers at all. They were sometimes just children. They were passengers in cars, that kind of thing."

This is nothing new, but neither is American apathy, laziness, stupidity, and cowardice.
We can't completely blame George Bush for destroying our reputation with the rest of the civilized world.

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Take control of the country, and stop the bloodshed.
http://www.topix.com/forum/us/T5VDVLD7BH6JTTN...
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Also from the article:(see previous post for link)

"This is one of the rather harrowing little stories that appears in these 92,000 entries. He lived in a very remote village 7,000 feet up in the mountains near the border with Pakistan. A CIA paramilitary squad charged into the village. They were on some secret mission, I suppose. And he was frightened, and he started to run away. They shouted at him to stop. He didn’t stop, because he couldn’t hear them. But they didn’t know that, so they shot him. And then, afterwards, the village elders explained the mistake to them, so they fetched out some supplies—I don’t know exactly what they were, probably rice and beans, that kind of thing—and handed them over as compensation, what they call "solatia." And then the CIA paramilitary team carried on its way to whatever military mission it was doing. And that’s a little story of an interaction between an ordinary disabled person and, you know, a killer squad, probably."

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"It is difficult for politicians to admit they were wrong. But when it comes to Afghanistan, the consequences of not doing so could be high. It is time for the West to cut its losses and withdraw."

"Together they should realize -- and admit -- that the war in Afghanistan is not going to end in success. We have failed. The war has been lost. The country that we leave behind will not be pacified. It is possible that we could have been successful had we understood earlier how the country works. But now, we are no longer a part of the solution -- increasingly, we have become part of the problem. It is best just to leave now, before additional blood is spilled. The secret war logs given by WikiLeaks to SPIEGEL confirm as much."
"Led by the US, NATO and other Western allies have been trying to pacify Afghanistan for almost 10 years -- with little success."
"Afghanistan is a nightmare, a graveyard of empires."
"It is difficult to ignore the political parallels to the Vietnam War. The Western alliance has reached the point where calls for patience and for continued support have become increasingly shrill, even desperate."
Hopefully Wiki Leaks will accomplish what the American people have failed to do - FOR DECADES - save young American lives.
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"Are we more sensitive in Europe to the idea of civilian casualties? I don’t know. The New York Times said, I think, "We know all that. We’ve reported very extensively on that already." And they seem to feel that they’ve said and done enough about it. In Britain, I think we felt we haven’t said enough about it. We’ve concentrated so much on the deaths and woundings of the British troops, but we haven’t had a lot of information to put out about the effect on innocent civilians." David Leigh
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#8 Jul 28, 2010
“What we do see is quite a different political perspective. From the New York Times's point of view, addressing their own American audience, it was interesting to see that the relationship with Pakistan was a political priority and that the way all the aid money is being poured from the American taxpayer into Pakistan, who appears to be perhaps playing a double game. That seems to be a big button at the presses in America. With us, we're more concerned about the casualties, I think. We’re troubled more, a European audience, by the toll this war is taking on innocent people. And I think—remember that the British and the Germans have been sort of cajoled into sending troops to this war. In Britain, we didn’t send them until 2006. And we know there has been American pressure for us to send more, to help more. We think we’ve been sucked into something which doesn’t make a lot of sense.” David Leigh
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/27/guardia...

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#9 Jul 28, 2010
Collateral murder - killing journalists, kids Baghdad as soldiers laugh http://collateralmurder.com/
“If we’re shocked by this video, we need to be asking questions of the larger system, because this is how these soldiers were trained to act."
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/4/12/this_is...
“The attack also killed two Reuters employees: the photographer Namir Noor-Eldeen and his driver, a father of four, Saeed Chmagh.”
JOSH STIEBER: I mean, I got to the point where, you know, I was saying things like this and realized that this is what the military wants me to do, and this is not something that I can do or that I want to do as a person, based on my religious beliefs and based on who I want to be, that this is what the military is telling me is acceptable—and again, I think this video illustrates that—and me that this is wrong. And it got down to some very simple concepts of doing unto others, and I knew I wouldn’t want other people doing similar things like this to me, and not only what’s in the video, but just day-to-day things of where we would go in people’s houses and rip through their houses. I’m pretty sure most people in my country would be pretty upset by that. So I decided to leave the military as a conscientious objector.
And actually, that process, a number of soldiers were supportive of me, and they would tell me things like,“You know, we disagree with the war, too, but we don’t think it’s worth the effort to try and do anything about it.” So I think that’s a really important point to focus on with this conversation about the video, is that there are many soldiers who are struggling with what’s going on there. You know, I talk to a lot of them, and just about everybody I was with lost their idealism for why we were there. So they’re struggling through these ideas.
But then, me speaking out about this, I’ve been getting criticism as a conscientious objector, being called a baby killer and white trash for enlisting in the military, to begin with. So, in terms of people who don’t want this kind of thing to happen again, if the goal is to get these soldiers who are committing these acts to stop doing that, if they see me, who has stepped out, getting criticized by people who are saying war is not the right answer, then that’s not going to make them any more likely to want to make that step, either. So I think the important part of this conversation is how can we work together with those soldiers who are struggling through these things and try to work towards other alternatives and try and provide them an outlet to say,“This is wrong, and I’m not going to do it anymore.”
“So this particular soldier, I know, has tried to solve his problems through alcohol. And unfortunately, that’s what a lot of soldiers turn to when they get back, is alcohol or possessions or just something to try and push these to the back of their mind, rather than to try to address the system that put us in this situation and encouraged us to do these things.”
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/4/12/this_is...

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#11 Jul 28, 2010
Obama ok for CIA to kill Americans
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_green...

Obama ok’s killings of American and others - we missed warnings
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_green...
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/07/world/middl...

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#12 Jul 28, 2010
The cost is American taxpayers paying to have more good Americans murdered.

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