Should US forces stay in Iraq until t...

Should US forces stay in Iraq until the jobs done?

Created by trevyn41 on Oct 23, 2007

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Andrea
#21 Oct 25, 2007
texan42 wrote:
Support our troops, bring them home.
Why? So they can go back later and do more clean up? How is that supporting our troops?

Cpetr13

“Reality is better than truth”

Since: Jun 07

Indianapolis

#22 Oct 25, 2007
If you respected them, you;d want them home instead of dying for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON.
AreYouKidding wrote:
Some of you people make me sick.
Those are our sons, fathers, brothers, uncles, etc. putting their life on the line while you sit at home in your perfect little world on your computer, demoralizing men who face a hell you will never have to see.
Why don't you assholes show some goddamn respect.
If you don't support the fight - fine - keep your mouths shut. They're over there, and you're little post isn't going to change that - so support them and stop being selfish bastards.

Cpetr13

“Reality is better than truth”

Since: Jun 07

Indianapolis

#23 Oct 25, 2007
Your grandkids will still be PAYING for this invasion, silly woman. The moment we leave Iraq, be it in 10 years or 10 minutes, there will be a civil war. Why? Because we imposed this government on them and that neve5r works.

How is wanting our troops to be equipped for their jobs the same as wanting them to fail? Isn't the chance of failure greater without proper equipment?
Andrea wrote:
Robert D,
You obviously never learned a lessen when we left Afghanistan. And you call me ignorant? Just wait till your grandkids have to clean up the mess you want to leave for them right now.
Your phony cry for more equipment is disingenuous at best. You want America to fail PERIOD! In fact you are calling us losers right now. WAY TO GO!

Cpetr13

“Reality is better than truth”

Since: Jun 07

Indianapolis

#24 Oct 25, 2007
WHAT clean up? You mean we should invade them again? Wasn't one such immoral and illegal foray enough for you?
Andrea wrote:
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Why? So they can go back later and do more clean up? How is that supporting our troops?

Since: Oct 07

Mankato, MN

#25 Oct 25, 2007
Andrea wrote:
Robert D,
You obviously never learned a lessen when we left Afghanistan. And you call me ignorant? Just wait till your grandkids have to clean up the mess you want to leave for them right now.
Your phony cry for more equipment is disingenuous at best. You want America to fail PERIOD! In fact you are calling us losers right now. WAY TO GO!
If W would of not started the Iraq war, Afghanistan would have been done right, and I will call you ignorant, you asked for it.
Andrea
#26 Oct 25, 2007
Cpetr13 wrote:
If you respected them, you;d want them home instead of dying for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON.
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Those soldiers dont think they died in vain. Otherwise they would have never VOLUNTEERED!

It is YOU who does NOT respect their decision!
Andrea
#27 Oct 25, 2007
Cpetr13 wrote:
Your grandkids will still be PAYING for this invasion, silly woman. The moment we leave Iraq, be it in 10 years or 10 minutes, there will be a civil war. Why? Because we imposed this government on them and that neve5r works.
How is wanting our troops to be equipped for their jobs the same as wanting them to fail? Isn't the chance of failure greater without proper equipment?
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Our military has never been well equiped. We have ALWAYS been behind. Yet we still make it. Go figure that one
Andrea
#28 Oct 25, 2007
Cpetr13 wrote:
WHAT clean up? You mean we should invade them again? Wasn't one such immoral and illegal foray enough for you?
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Ohhhhhh. So you are one of those people who dont help others. I guess we shouldnt be building schools and teaching the Iraqis about water treatment plants? We couldnt have done that with Saddam in office. These people have a better way of life because of the contributions our military has provided. And you dont want to give unto others?
Andrea
#29 Oct 25, 2007
texan42 wrote:
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If W would of not started the Iraq war, Afghanistan would have been done right, and I will call you ignorant, you asked for it.
So Saddam would have been willing to stop all his atrocities? And schools would have been built if we had kept our noses out of their business? Oh and terror camps would have ceased to exist?
Just another voter

Hudson, MA

#30 Oct 26, 2007
Bring our troops home. Our goverment never tells the truth. We, with all our technology have not found the WMD's. So why are we still there? We are paying for this war on credit. If we were paying now and the country had to sacrafice instead of leaving the bill for our grandchildren I wonder how many supporters of this war their would be. Is oil worth the expense in the lives of brave soldiers. Take the money being spent or borrowed and put it into alternate fuel and make a safer and more peaceful planet for all. Something like God Bless us Everyone.

Since: Oct 07

Mankato, MN

#31 Oct 26, 2007
Andrea wrote:
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So Saddam would have been willing to stop all his atrocities? And schools would have been built if we had kept our noses out of their business? Oh and terror camps would have ceased to exist?
You hit the nail right of the head,THEIR BUSINESS. Saddam was brutal and has we can see from the fighting, that brutality is the only thing that held Iraq together. It's about culture, their culture, you can't change thousands of years of culture in just a few years, it's ingrained. How long has the USA been trying to change our ingrained culture of racism and bigotry, it's still among us is it not. Bring the troops home, let Iraq deal with their own problems. Saddam is dead, mission complete.

Since: Oct 07

Bellingham

#32 Oct 26, 2007
Sadamn is dead, yes. But while we did that we destroyed thier infrastructure. Having done that we have a duty to reinstate that infrastructure and teach the remaining people how to use it properly. On top of that it can't hurt to make sure their army is able to defend their country. Will all of this make a difference in the long run? who knows. Probably not if they continue to let religion rule their lives but IF they can come to grips with the idea of a working non violent (to their own people) government, and If they can properly defend themselves they may just have a chance. Do I agree with everything we are doing over here, no. But I think what we are doing it has it's place.
So the WMD thing was a bust, it's too late to deal with that now. Plus this has nothing to do with oil. If it did we would be pushing the Iraqi government to build more refineries. They are not. They have like one working refinery and it sucks.
Now as for us never being well equiped...I call the BS flag on that one. I was in the army and we had some pretty sweet toys. Their durability was way beyond the civilian stuff and it was old which shows how well built it was. Now a days we have all kinds of gadgets the troops get to use. Trust me, we are well equipped.
Andrea, you are right though. If we leave now, or left years ago there would be an even bigger mess to clean up. the military/governement/civilian infrastructure is not any where near ready to run that place. They can't even keep water clean, food on the table, disease is rampant, hell their ecology is so vile and polluted from the people destroying it that it's not safe for kids to play in the sand.
Well enough of this for now.
Andrea
#33 Oct 26, 2007
Thank you for succinctly saying what I could not.

Cpetr13

“Reality is better than truth”

Since: Jun 07

Indianapolis

#34 Oct 26, 2007
Many of our troops are too young to buy a drink in this country; they are not responsible enough to really make the life-and-death decisions. What they believe has no bearing on what the reality is, and the REALITY is that Iraq is the worst
Andrea wrote:
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Those soldiers dont think they died in vain. Otherwise they would have never VOLUNTEERED!
It is YOU who does NOT respect their decision!

Cpetr13

“Reality is better than truth”

Since: Jun 07

Indianapolis

#35 Oct 26, 2007
We AREN'T "making it"; we've already accomplished our primary mission and we aer still there, with far more of our troops dying AFTER the invasion than during it.
Andrea wrote:
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Our military has never been well equiped. We have ALWAYS been behind. Yet we still make it. Go figure that one

Cpetr13

“Reality is better than truth”

Since: Jun 07

Indianapolis

#36 Oct 26, 2007
There was nothing wrong with the water when Saddam was in power. WE destroyed their infrastructure, which is why they now have to learn to contend with fetid water. Under Saddam, btw, women had freedom and children already went to school; now that we allowed it to become a theocracy, women are being stuffed into burqas and we are rebuilding the schools we destroyed to begin with.

A better way of life? There are STILL people with no electricity years after we destroyed their utilities.

The biggest lie in this entire war (besides the reasons for starting it0 is that we have given them freedom. What we have done is given them chaos. You cannot force democracy on any group; if the will is there, they will achieve it; if it is not, they cannot maintain it.

It is not our place to "give unto others" by overthrowing their governments.
Andrea wrote:
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Ohhhhhh. So you are one of those people who dont help others. I guess we shouldnt be building schools and teaching the Iraqis about water treatment plants? We couldnt have done that with Saddam in office. These people have a better way of life because of the contributions our military has provided. And you dont want to give unto others?
Andrea
#37 Oct 26, 2007
Thanks for proving my point that you are such an antiwar freak that you cant wait to bash our troops.

Since when did you proclaim yourself God almighty to decide what is the right way to think?

Since: Oct 07

Bellingham

#38 Oct 27, 2007
cpetr13: while many of our troops are too young to buy alcohol, that doesn't mean they aren't capable of making life and death decisions. It just means that you have to have a couple years of experience as an adult to buy alcohol. The difference is that the military gives you the experience before you even go over there to do what needs to be done. And don't even try to dispute it until you have gone to this war. If you haven't gone then you don't know the training and experience levels of the troops.

Next, the whole making it argument seems like a way for you to continue arguying about nothing. "making it" is a silly phrase. yes we accomplished a goal in this war but now we aren't at war with Iraq. We are at war with terrorism. We are doing Iraq a service by building them back up after crushing their dictator.

As for the water, no there wasn't wrong with the water, that Sadam and his men drank. it was the water the rest of the country drank that was bad. Sure there were a couple of water plants here and there but for the most part there weren't functioning water plants anywhere Sadam didn't live. You can tell this by the state of disrepair these plants are in.

it's not a lie that we gave them peace. Not an all encompasing peace, but the peace of mind that your government isn't going to kill you for the hell of it. Are there those who want war here, yes. They are called insurgents. members of radical groups, foreign hostile governments and such that would rather see Iraq fall so they can come in and do as they wish. We aren't forcing democracy on this group of people. They were asked what kind of government they wanted and a vote was taken. As time goes on more people will vote as they are educated and hopefully there will be a strong democracy built here. It will be tough and hateful people like you will only make the process more difficult. so give it a rest and try to see situations from more than an anti-war mentality.

“Oak Ridge,TN ”

Since: Dec 06

Oak Ridge,TN

#39 Oct 27, 2007
Hey genius we never left Afghanistan.Buy a news paper and stop watching Fox Snooze and listening to Rush Slimeball for your news.Maybe had we stayed in Afghanistan full force and completed the job there we wouldnt be in the mess we are now.
Andrea wrote:
Robert D,
You obviously never learned a lessen when we left Afghanistan. And you call me ignorant? Just wait till your grandkids have to clean up the mess you want to leave for them right now.
Your phony cry for more equipment is disingenuous at best. You want America to fail PERIOD! In fact you are calling us losers right now. WAY TO GO!

“Oak Ridge,TN ”

Since: Dec 06

Oak Ridge,TN

#40 Oct 27, 2007
I'm glad to see Im not the only one here that gets supporting the troop means getting them out.I dont care how long we are there the job will never be done.The only thing keeping them from a full on civil war is the fact they are enjoying killing US soldiers more.
Cpetr13 wrote:
Your grandkids will still be PAYING for this invasion, silly woman. The moment we leave Iraq, be it in 10 years or 10 minutes, there will be a civil war. Why? Because we imposed this government on them and that neve5r works.
How is wanting our troops to be equipped for their jobs the same as wanting them to fail? Isn't the chance of failure greater without proper equipment?
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