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House GOP wants to cut food stamps in drive to protect Pentagon from big federal budget cuts

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16, 2012, file photo House Budget Committee Chairman Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., holds up a copy of President Barack Obama's fiscal 2013 federal budget during the budget committee's hearing on Capitol Hill in Washington.

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LocalBoy

Indianapolis, IN

#2083 May 5, 2012
USMail XXXII wrote:
<quoted text>
"I wont ask, but it is tempting......"
Well, I'll ask. What is it that you want to know?
HMO's as far back as you can remember.....how far back do you remember paying for your own healthcare ?
I started in 77...paying for my healthcare

My last real insurance policy ended in 91
Downhill from there. My last out of network doctor hung it up a few years back.
I know of one but she is into head work, the non invasive stuff.

I once managed a company that was self insured to a point, managed by an HMO type. We paid the bills so I saw the invoices.
Trileptral was costing the company 280.00 dollars
Local pharmacist told me medicare paid 250.00
Cash price -$780.00 dollars per month

Why would a drug retailer gouge a cash buyer in favor of a buyer that requires a lot of paper work, labor cost, and pays via check in the mail days or weeks away ?
LocalBoy

Indianapolis, IN

#2084 May 5, 2012
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
This is where ideology hits the wall. In a globalised world you are directly competiting with 50cents an hour labor like it or not.
Unless those trade barriers go back up, the American farmer cannot compete with off shore labor costs. Otherwise that farmer just goes broke because you (joe public) want cheaper groceries.
Which ideology hits the wall ?
The one that gives aid to the countries undercutting our labor. The one that destroys the value of the money, directly hurting labor more than any other group.
The one that drives the cost of labor up via payroll deductions and matching taxes of labor.
Do you refer to the crony system we have now ?

The government run system of debt and fraternity brothers, what used to be known as old English Aristocracy ?
uIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#2085 May 5, 2012
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>I couldn't care less what race or ethnicity uses Planned Parenthood. This has absolutely nothing to do with a color scheme as far as I'm concerned. It has to do with a gender and the freewill of women to decide when to have a child and whether or not they are prepared to become mothers - which is a lifetime job, I can assure you.
cONTROVERSIAL!

In that case if mother decides it is Ok but i say sex education is needed...
The Geneticist who worked for US govt and the moralist had whistle blown that planned parenthood hide under guise of Us govt eugenic program and along with those Christians churches to distribute literature to minority ... you know about this?

“Natural selection created apes”

Since: Jun 10

Religion made them human

#2086 May 5, 2012
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
This is where ideology hits the wall. In a globalised world you are directly competiting with 50cents an hour labor like it or not.
Unless those trade barriers go back up, the American farmer cannot compete with off shore labor costs. Otherwise that farmer just goes broke because you (joe public) want cheaper groceries.
That's what everybody says. But, isn't the other option equally detrimental to American workers? Is there no other solution but to hire foreign workers? How does that benefit the local economy?
LocalBoy

Indianapolis, IN

#2087 May 5, 2012
REWBA wrote:
<quoted text>
A city the size of Indianapolis, Indiana is run by people almost as corrupt as the people running the whole state and they are almost as corrupt as those who run the nation. I live in a city that is super small. It's so small, it really doesn't qualify for the "city" classification. It's more like an encampment or a small fortification. The population is 500 if you count the recently departed,(they are with us in our hearts), and fetuses yet to be born. Still, the jerks running the place think highly of themselves and they couldn't think of a better person to be in charge and run this place. That's what makes them corrupt. Their own high opinion of themselves.
If you want to end corruption in those who govern then eliminate the popularity contests we call elections and have a semiannual lottery to draft the next poor suckers who will be expected to keep the boat afloat for another two years. There are 425 seats in the house, another 100 in the senate and one in the oval office. Draft the first 526 contestants, place them in an arena and let them fight for who will be who. If one dies, draft another to fill the void. When the fighting ends and the dust settles it will be time to do it all over again. Bread and Circuses, that's what government is all about anyway. Bread and Circuses.
I dont live in Indy but close enough. Small town guy myself
Lots of corruption, and lots of politicos going down in smoke. Jail, bankruptcy and loss of face leading to banishment. Just like all towns and cities. Corruption, you bet. You hear more about it because locally they actually catch em and give em trile....

Your plan is one of a few I have ever seen that would actually have a chance of getting a decent person to serve. All the good ones I know that are immensely qualified are local and wont do it for no reasons.

“Natural selection created apes”

Since: Jun 10

Religion made them human

#2088 May 5, 2012
LocalBoy wrote:
<quoted text>HMO's as far back as you can remember.....how far back do you remember paying for your own healthcare ?
I started in 77...paying for my healthcare
My last real insurance policy ended in 91
Downhill from there. My last out of network doctor hung it up a few years back.
I know of one but she is into head work, the non invasive stuff.
I once managed a company that was self insured to a point, managed by an HMO type. We paid the bills so I saw the invoices.
Trileptral was costing the company 280.00 dollars
Local pharmacist told me medicare paid 250.00
Cash price -$780.00 dollars per month
Why would a drug retailer gouge a cash buyer in favor of a buyer that requires a lot of paper work, labor cost, and pays via check in the mail days or weeks away ?
Uhm okay... I'll try to make tails out of this tomorrow. I have a headache that's killing me.

Rest well, LB.
uIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#2089 May 5, 2012
USMail XXXII wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, that's not what you wrote. You wrote: "when someone is bored , I'd so go get a pet...". So go get one.
Now, chill out! I'm watching SNL.
If you know why ask. Don't get me riled Up! i'm hot like a tamale... BWHAHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Do go watch your SNL! bon voyage!!

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#2090 May 5, 2012
LocalBoy wrote:
<quoted text>Which ideology hits the wall ?
The one that gives aid to the countries undercutting our labor. The one that destroys the value of the money, directly hurting labor more than any other group.
The one that drives the cost of labor up via payroll deductions and matching taxes of labor.
Do you refer to the crony system we have now ?
The government run system of debt and fraternity brothers, what used to be known as old English Aristocracy ?
Globalisation by definition gives any company or corporation to take advantage of cheap labor and skills anywhere on the planet. How you deal with it using an old method of Free Enterprise will save the day is crap. Governments need to come up with a strategy that leads you to be more cost effective than your competitors or invest in industries where you have an edge. Trying to pin it on a government lowering the currency or too much tax on the wealthy, or some other nit picking whine is not going to change that fundemental problem. In my view for the West to keep the biggest slice of the economic pie then something radical has to be done. The easiest and simplist way to go about this is via Green Tech and costing carbon as Western countries are far better to adapt to that than any developing country. Thats an edge right there but it won't happen until its too late.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#2091 May 5, 2012
USMail XXXII wrote:
<quoted text>That's what everybody says. But, isn't the other option equally detrimental to American workers? Is there no other solution but to hire foreign workers? How does that benefit the local economy?
It doesn't unless a Government dictates to you to BUY AMERICAN but that won't happen either. So how you deal with it, is a very complex problem. In my view a farmer should never be brought to the point where they walk off a farm because its no longer viable. The Nation's food bowl is every bit a part of the national security as any damn oil supply. I think the illegals should remain part of the equation to keep that farm viable with an offshore competitor. Hopefully in the long term supply and demand will even out.

“Try Reuters.”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#2092 May 5, 2012
uIdiotRaceMAkeWorldPeace wrote:
<quoted text>cONTROVERSIAL!
In that case if mother decides it is Ok but i say sex education is needed...
The Geneticist who worked for US govt and the moralist had whistle blown that planned parenthood hide under guise of Us govt eugenic program and along with those Christians churches to distribute literature to minority ... you know about this?
I'm aware of the roots of Planned Parenthood. I also know that both political parties once had a philosophy, but times change and institutions and organizations change.

The same people who oppose the many basic services Planned Parenthood affords low income women also oppose birth control education in schools. The motivation is strictly right wing Christian fundamentalists in this war. It's a war against women, and I am livid. But, then again, I'm a woman who has daughters. Teens acquire venereal disease, and while they SHOULD come to their parents, many (both male and female) choose to be diagnosed in clinics and at Planned Parenthood and get treatment that stops the spread to others. It's not just low cost birth control that Planned Parenthood provides. It's all kinds of reproductive health issues that are at risk including what may very well be life saving cancer screening.
LocalBoy

Indianapolis, IN

#2093 May 5, 2012
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
Globalisation by definition gives any company or corporation to take advantage of cheap labor and skills anywhere on the planet. How you deal with it using an old method of Free Enterprise will save the day is crap. Governments need to come up with a strategy that leads you to be more cost effective than your competitors or invest in industries where you have an edge. Trying to pin it on a government lowering the currency or too much tax on the wealthy, or some other nit picking whine is not going to change that fundemental problem. In my view for the West to keep the biggest slice of the economic pie then something radical has to be done. The easiest and simplist way to go about this is via Green Tech and costing carbon as Western countries are far better to adapt to that than any developing country. Thats an edge right there but it won't happen until its too late.
In China the factories operate on what you call free enteprise, and they kick our butts.
Same thing in Brazil, India, Indonesia, etc....their people work, they have to or they starve.
Fuel is 4 dollars a gallon for the ships bringing these good from all over the world, as is the trucks that bring it inland. by the time that trinket got put in your local Wal Mart it has traveled the world, and some schmoo cant build it cheaper down the street.....an uneducated slave laborer half around the world built a trinket that had to pay off all that third world corruption and travel the distance still beat the locals.....something is amiss

FYI - I have not advocated for tax cuts for the rich, I said eliminating income tax on labor, all payroll deductions on labor.
Labor is not the rich, just the truly wealthy.....
LocalBoy

Indianapolis, IN

#2094 May 5, 2012
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
It doesn't unless a Government dictates to you to BUY AMERICAN but that won't happen either. So how you deal with it, is a very complex problem. In my view a farmer should never be brought to the point where they walk off a farm because its no longer viable. The Nation's food bowl is every bit a part of the national security as any damn oil supply. I think the illegals should remain part of the equation to keep that farm viable with an offshore competitor. Hopefully in the long term supply and demand will even out.
Price your food stuffs in gold and silver and the family farm would be viable and the prices of foodstuffs would be in line.

Care to try it ?
A dime minted in 1911 is worth 3.75.....10 cents for a pound of hamburger and the farmer can buy a gallon of gas with the dime.
its not the price of food, its the price of money

Food prices began to be a problem in the US in after WW 1, after the fed act of 1913. Thats when the value of money began to deteriorate. Gas and food prices dont go up, the value of money goes down.

If you flood the market with something the value goes down, if there is scarcity the value goes up. This is economic law. It works with money like all commodities. More money, higher prices

“Try Reuters.”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#2095 May 5, 2012
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
Globalisation by definition gives any company or corporation to take advantage of cheap labor and skills anywhere on the planet. How you deal with it using an old method of Free Enterprise will save the day is crap. Governments need to come up with a strategy that leads you to be more cost effective than your competitors or invest in industries where you have an edge. Trying to pin it on a government lowering the currency or too much tax on the wealthy, or some other nit picking whine is not going to change that fundemental problem. In my view for the West to keep the biggest slice of the economic pie then something radical has to be done. The easiest and simplist way to go about this is via Green Tech and costing carbon as Western countries are far better to adapt to that than any developing country. Thats an edge right there but it won't happen until its too late.
That problem requires tariffs on imports produced offshore, tax breaks for those who hire and produce onshore, and it requires a renegotiation of our trade agreements that better protects workers on both sides of the equation. We will NEVER be able to compete with labor costs in third world nations with no worker protections, no environmental protectionss, and no labor laws. If you think Americans should be expected to agree to TRY this route, then you are somebody who has no concern about how this country's living standards devolve until we meet up with the lowest common denominator. Why should Americans sit still and not do everything possible to maintain our standard of living? Are we expected to be sheeple?

Businesses using cheap illegal labor drive legitimate rule abiding companies OUT of business, and they are motivated not by reasonable profit, they are motivated by sheer greed as to the extent and degree of that profit which comes at the expense of the society that made their successes possible. It's corrupt. They increase demand for tax dollars by their low wage employees and contribute far less in taxes than legitimate businesses. It's a lose/lose for all but the chosen few - owners, executives and shareholders.

Until the MSM shined a spotlight on Walmart, their employees had no health benefits. Yet, when they were finally shamed into affording those benefits, they STILL returned their shareholders a very high ROI. It's a question of how MUCH is reasonable and how much is predatory.
LocalBoy

Indianapolis, IN

#2096 May 5, 2012
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>I'm aware of the roots of Planned Parenthood. I also know that both political parties once had a philosophy, but times change and institutions and organizations change.
The same people who oppose the many basic services Planned Parenthood affords low income women also oppose birth control education in schools. The motivation is strictly right wing Christian fundamentalists in this war. It's a war against women, and I am livid. But, then again, I'm a woman who has daughters. Teens acquire venereal disease, and while they SHOULD come to their parents, many (both male and female) choose to be diagnosed in clinics and at Planned Parenthood and get treatment that stops the spread to others. It's not just low cost birth control that Planned Parenthood provides. It's all kinds of reproductive health issues that are at risk including what may very well be life saving cancer screening.
Thats BS....its not a war on women.
Some may be anti woman but most demagogue the issue for political, philosophical or financial reasons.
Its a State issue. No reason the feds even stick their noses in this one. They should do their jobs and protect our borders from dope and contraband and defend the citizens against their States.

No different than abortion - demagoguery

Its not about hating any one group, just hate in general
uIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#2097 May 5, 2012
LocalBoy wrote:
<quoted text>He claimed he was investing monies from third parties via trust into markets, in fact he was not - the monies was not in those accounts, the accounts do not exist. The monies are in accounts he has power over with little oversight. Fraud
Errors and omissions can only occur in normal activities, transferring client monies into corporate accounts is a known no-no.
If it was in fact a fiduciary mistake the monies would have been returned long ago. Are we going to make excuses for Wall Street fraud and Justice Department incompetence because of political party affiliation.......
Enron was prosecuted under State law, Texas told the feds to get out. They recovered monies and sent people to jail......how many Wall Streeters have gone to jail ?
Justice is local
SEC had looked that other way on some of the cases means allowing fraud to win.
Who you think will be qualify to revamp/fix this corrupted system?
---
uIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#2098 May 5, 2012
CONSERVATIVE wrote:
<quoted text>
No, you are out of touch with 100% of REALITY. If he is out of touch how is it he has done so well in business, AFTER donating his entire inheritance to various charities? The problem with indoctrinated, useful idiots like you, is your ability to be convinced by a bunch of socialist/Marxist professors that capitalism is an evil thing. After all it's not FAIR. You have to compete to advance. Ask your all knowing professors how many socialist, Marxist, or communist economies have afforded as many of their citizens as high or higher standard of living, with as many freedoms and liberties as America and capitalism? How is it do you think America has in it's short 235 yr history managed to become an economic super power, while most other nations have struggled? How do you suppose America has become the most generous nation on earth, giving billions to those in need? How do you reckon America has had the financial and military ability to liberate as many nations as we have from murderous dicktakers? Then rebuild those countries and give their people a chance at living free? The only part that I don't agree with in all that, is we NEVER ASK FOR ANYTHING IN RETURN! As a result it has cost us, most dearly in human life, but financially as well, but that's how we roll. Douchbags like you will scream, it's blood for oil or some other inane dribble. Well Einstien if that's the case, WHERE IS ALL THE F-cking OIL? Why are we paying #3.60+ for gas? In spite of all that, we are still the ONLY SUPER POWER LEFT, and it's all because of CAPITALISM! You and your idealistic butt buddies need to lay off the dope, quit drinking the koolaid. If you really believe we can continue live the standard of life we have under any other economic system. Your parents wasted their money! Grow up or shut up. Tea Party 2012!
interjecting !
You beginning sound more like warmongering NeoCon , so you kowtow to your Leo struassian Precepts... Paradoxically Ironic
Actually US take more from the world then hand given back , our US come almost last compare to other Western nations in giving. Do the research . You have not clue that our US oil/Dollar hegemony, the Currency wars stoked worldwide... and the war-for-profiteering enterprises...are ruining Americans and other nations way of life. Don't get me started
uIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#2099 May 5, 2012
ADD! FYI I'm no Marxist...
uIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#2100 May 5, 2012
uIdiotRaceMAkeWorldPeace wrote:
<quoted text>I have no problem with Capitalism it's when they become predatory . Damn if we don't and damn if we do? I don't think you understand , we. the people pay taxes and have right to have some regulation to be protected from financial dealing of predatory capitalist that does not really benefit public or nations?
Again where do we, the people draw the demarcation line?
so you mean allow these predatory capitalist to take a nation(s) down to it knees?
The big US Investment banks like Merrill Lynch, Goldman Sach, bear Strearn, Shearson... they took US and World into a worldwide financial/macroeconomic Maelstorm...
And, who is paying for the their greed/ financial malfeseance ,it's the US taxpayers and world consumers bailing out the greedy 'Too big to fail' banksters/financial instutitions?
and,i see many lawsuits will be filed by many nations by investors and even govts, being aimed from against USA...
SO?
ADD! Add insult to injury - Double indemenity or more for Americans - added of various NEW bank fees... i see another A tax increase for all.
uIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#2101 May 5, 2012
Please help, can not find post no , debating with some one the US /world currency wars...

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#2102 May 5, 2012
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>That problem requires tariffs on imports produced offshore, tax breaks for those who hire and produce onshore, and it requires a renegotiation of our trade agreements that better protects workers on both sides of the equation. We will NEVER be able to compete with labor costs in third world nations with no worker protections, no environmental protectionss, and no labor laws. If you think Americans should be expected to agree to TRY this route, then you are somebody who has no concern about how this country's living standards devolve until we meet up with the lowest common denominator. Why should Americans sit still and not do everything possible to maintain our standard of living? Are we expected to be sheeple?
Businesses using cheap illegal labor drive legitimate rule abiding companies OUT of business, and they are motivated not by reasonable profit, they are motivated by sheer greed as to the extent and degree of that profit which comes at the expense of the society that made their successes possible. It's corrupt. They increase demand for tax dollars by their low wage employees and contribute far less in taxes than legitimate businesses. It's a lose/lose for all but the chosen few - owners, executives and shareholders.
Until the MSM shined a spotlight on Walmart, their employees had no health benefits. Yet, when they were finally shamed into affording those benefits, they STILL returned their shareholders a very high ROI. It's a question of how MUCH is reasonable and how much is predatory.
Believe me, I am not singing the praises of Globalisation. On the plus side it lifts 3rd World countries out of poverty. On the negative side it can also lower the standard of living with a highly developed economy trying to compete. Maybe the Steve Jobs Philosophy of great products might have some impact. The Germans seem to get away with this, their cars are the Apple's of the motoring world. Seems to count for something as they are going gang busters with every product they make. However it's still not the only answer, its finding a niche where that 3rd world cannot compete. Be it in highly skilled manufacturing that is clean and less reliance on old tech such as fossil fuels. In a free trade world you can't suddenly impose tarrifs or you will pay a higher price. But you can tax pollution on a product if the will was there. For example a clean factory in the US makes X Brand product for a $10 shelf price but the import made in a uncertified factory for $7 could be hit with a 40% tax until that product is certified clean. It then becomes more of a level playing field, where they have to go to the expense of their western counterpart.

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