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Americans deserve a better choice in this election than the one they've got | Gary Younge

There are 132 comments on the The Guardian story from Oct 7, 2012, titled Americans deserve a better choice in this election than the one they've got | Gary Younge. In it, The Guardian reports that:

A US electoral system funded by the wealthy will never distribute resources equitably, whether Barack Obama is in charge or not At a dinner table in Akron, Ohio, recently half a dozen Democratic activists took a break from trashing Ralph Nader for allowing a Bush victory in 2000 to discuss the material benefits of Barack Obama's first term.

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#47 Oct 7, 2012
conservative crapola wrote:
Next time with a legitimate source.
You lie about Benghazi? You lied they died?
Storm Warning

De Forest, WI

#48 Oct 7, 2012
obama is anti White

“Truth to Power!”

Since: Apr 07

Sanford, FL

#49 Oct 7, 2012


Our Divisive President

Barack Obama promised a new era of post-partisanship. In office, he's played racial politics and further split the country along class and party lines.

By PATRICK H. CADDELL
DOUGLAS E. SCHOEN

During the election campaign, Barack Obama sought to appeal to the best instincts of the electorate, to a post-partisan sentiment that he said would reinvigorate our democracy. He ran on a platform of reconciliation—of getting beyond "old labels" of right and left, red and blue states, and forging compromises based on shared values.

President Obama's Inaugural was a hopeful day, with an estimated 1.8 million people on the National Mall celebrating the election of America's first African-American president. The level of enthusiasm, the anticipation and the promise of something better could not have been more palpable.

And yet, it has not been realized. Not at all.

Rather than being a unifier, Mr. Obama has divided America on the basis of race, class and partisanship. Moreover, his cynical approach to governance has encouraged his allies to pursue a similar strategy of racially divisive politics on his behalf.



http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274...

“Truth to Power!”

Since: Apr 07

Sanford, FL

#50 Oct 7, 2012
Storm Warning wrote:
obama is anti White


No. he just favors his kenyan side over Americans. Heck, Obama treats Illegals better than Americans unless you're a large campaign donor.
MarxistObama

Rochester, MN

#51 Oct 7, 2012
Storm Warning wrote:
obama is anti White
Yes in Nov, Remember that "That white police officer acted stupidly"
and that He Obama voted against Katrina victims
Razors Edge

Palos Hills, IL

#53 Oct 8, 2012
Chavez,wins the Election,Sean Penn tipped as next VP?

Chavez will now have a freer hand to push for an even bigger state role in the economy and continue populist programs.

He pledged before the vote to make a stronger push for socialism in the next term. He's also likely to further limit dissent and deepen friendships with U.S. rivals.

A Capriles victory would have brought a radical foreign policy shift including a halt to preferential oil deals with allies such as Cuba, along with a loosening of state economic controls and an increase in private investment.It was Chavez's third re-election in nearly 14 years in office.

It was also his smallest victory margin. In 2006, he won by 27 percentage points."I can't describe the relief and happiness I feel right now," said Edgar Gonzalez, a 38-year-old construction worker.

He ran through crowds of Chavez supporters packing the streets around the presidential palace wearing a Venezuelan flag as a cape and yelling: "Oh, no! Chavez won't go!"

"The revolution will continue, thanks to God and the people of this great country," said Gonzalez.Voter turnout was an impressive 81 percent, compared to 75 percent in 2006.

Chavez paid close attention to his military-like get-out-the-vote organization at the grass roots, stressing its importance at campaign rallies. The opposition said he unfairly plowed millions in state funds into the effort.

Chavez spent heavily in the months before the vote, building public housing and bankrolling expanded social programs.

"I think he just cranked up the patronage machine and unleashed a spending orgy," said Michael Shifter, president of the Washington-based Inter-American Dialogue think tank.

But Shifter also didn't deny the affinity and gratefulness Venezuela's poor feel for Chavez. "Despite his illness, I still think he retains a large emotional connection with a lot of Venezuelans that I think were not prepared to vote against him."

Chavez spoke little during the campaign about his fight with cancer, which since June 2011 has included surgery to remove tumors from his pelvic region as well as chemotherapy and radiation treatment. He has said his most recent tests showed no sign of illness.

Capriles told supporters not to feel defeated."We have planted many seeds across Venezuela and I know that these seeds are going to produce many trees," he told a hall of supporters.

Despite winning a February primary that unified the opposition, Capriles proved no match for Chavez's electoral prowess.David Valencia, a 20-year-old Capriles supporter, said he was disappointed but that he hadn't lost hope despite the loss."There is still a sense in our hearts of wanting a better country," he said.

One pro-Chavez voter, private bodyguard Carlos Julio Silva, said that whatever his faults, Chavez deserved to win for spreading the nation's oil wealth to the poor with free medical care, public housing and other government programs.

The country has the world's largest proven oil reserves.

"There is corruption, there's plenty of bureaucracy, but the people have never had a leader who cared about this country," Silva said after voting for Chavez at a school in the Caracas slum of Petare.

At many polling places, voters began lining up hours before polls opened at dawn, some snaking for blocks in the baking Caribbean sun. Some shaded themselves with umbrellas.

Vendors grilled meat and some people drank beer.Chavez's critics say the president has inflamed divisions by labeling his opponents "fascists," ''Yankees" and "neo-Nazis," and it's likely hard for many of his opponents to stomach another six years of the loquacious and conflictive leader.Some said before the vote that they'd consider leaving the country if Chavez won.

Gino Caso, an auto mechanic, said Chavez is power-hungry and out of touch with problems such as crime. He said his son had been robbed, as had neighboring shops."I don't know what planet he lives on?

AP. WH,Denies Champagne sent to Chavez.

Since: Dec 07

Kemp, TX

#56 Oct 8, 2012
Va te suce le enculer wrote:
<quoted text>
Congress approved both actions
US debt increased 4.7 trillion under Bush in 8 years. Debt when Bush took office was 5 trillion.
BUSH DOUBLED THE DEBT!!!! BULLSHYTE! THE DEBT HAS GONE UP..........MORE.......UNDER NOBAMA IN FOUR YEARS AS BUSH IN 8!

Housing crises was caused by dem policies of the community reinvestment act and dem programs of fannie/freddie, which Bush tried 7 times to get under control It was blocked in the senate each time by Dodd/Frank (democrats)
J. P. MORGAN,LEHMAN BROTHERS, LIBOR RATE, MEDICARE PART B (MEDICINE PAYMENTS), HOMELAND SECURITY GOVERNMENT AGENCY, ETC. ALL THOSE THINGS COST MONEY AND THE TWO WARS COST MONEY! The financial crisis was beyond housing (housing gaves a bad economy) and gave us a bad credit rating!
THE BAD CREDIT RATING CAME 3 YEARS AFTER THE FULL DEM CONGRESS SPENDATHON AND BARRACK NOBAMA'S FAILED JOB'S STIMULUS AND FAILED GREEN ENERGY PROJECTS OF 90 BILLION DOLLARS.........IDIOT. THE DOW PEAKED October 2007 at over 14,000 AND WENT DOWN........IN TWO YEARS UNDER THE DEM CONGRESS.........LACK OF FAITH BY MAJOR INDUSTRIES, PROJECTED UBER TAXES BY A DEM CONGRESS AND DEM PRESIDENT. ECONOMICS WASN'T YOUR BEST SUBJECT WAS IT, BOZO?

The DOW plunged to 6600 ! THANKS TO DEMORAT GIVEAWAY POLICIES FORCING BANKS TO GIVE LOW INTEREST LOANS WHICH WEREN'T PAID BACK!!!!!!!!!!
Patriot Act has been extended by the full dem congress and the 112th congress both times signed by Obama.
DRONES, AND ACCUSING PEOPLE OF BEING TRAITORS IF THE PATRIOT ACT WAS NOT APPROVED!

WHO IN THE HELL DID THAT????????..NO ONE ANY ANY NEWS PROGRAM. MAYBE DAVID LETTERMAN AND KIETH OLBERHAMM...LMAO

THE GOP SANK US INTO DICTATORSHIP! RIGHT NOW NSA IS LISTENING TO EVERYTHING WE TALK (ON THE PHONE), TYPE AND WRITE! NYPD IS SURVEILLING EVERY SPOT OF SOUTHERN MANHATTAN!

A. A FULL DEM CONGRESS WAS ELECTED IN 2006....RUN IS MORE INTO DEBT...YOU ELECTED THE BOZO IN THE WHITEHOUSE NOW IN 2008........
BUSH FISNIHED HIS TERMS........SOOOOOOO WHAT DICTATORSHIP, IDIOT????

YOU NEED TO TALK WITH NYPD ABOUT THAT ONE, EINSTIEN.

IF THAT IS TRUE, WHY DOSN'T YOUR HOMEBOY IN THE WHITEHOUSE PUT A STOP TO IT!! IS HE THAT PISS WEAK??????????

Homeland Security was created because the inept Clinton admnistration could not seem to find a way for FBI, CIA and Secret Service to coordinate information. Bush forced them to do just that after he was handed al queda by do nothing Clinton/Gore. Of course, they attacked Mt. Carmel, that really helped with the islamic terroists, didn't it.
IT WAS YOUR "SEMEN ON LEWINSKI" CLOTHING AND PROSECUTOS KEN STAR WHO DISTRACTED THE NATION FROM THE MORE RELEVANT ISSUE OF TERRORISM. EVEN YOUR GOP HOUSE TRIED TO IMPEACH THE PRESIDENT BASED ON HIS LIE OF HIS INTERCOURSE WITH LEWINSKI. IF I WERE YOU, I WILL NEVER DEFEND WHAT THE GOP DID DURING THIS PERIOD!
Several countries agreed Saddam had weapons, so did most democrat members of congress at the time, including Hillary who voted to go to Iraq.
YOU MEAN UK, SPAIN, AND ITALY?
No, idiot, you left out Thailand, Phillipines, New Zealand, Singapore, Norway, Japan, Slovokia, Poland, Denmark, South Korea.

Typical..........lmao.

THAT IS NOT SEVERAL NATIONS! THAT IS JUST YOUR CONSERVATIVE FRIENDS AT THAT TIME PLAYING YOUR GAME! BUT ANOTHER 123 NATIONS DISAPPROVED OF SUCH ACTION! AND YET YOU WERE PROVEN WRONG! IRAQ NEVER HAD NUCLEAR WEAPONS!
GAS NERVE AGENTS WERE USED ON THE KURDS AND KILLED THOUSANDS BY SADDAM. THAT..........IS A WEAPON OF MASS DISTRUCTION. DRONES WERE BEING DESIGNED BY SADDAM THAT COULD BE USED TO CARRY BIOLOGICAL AND GAS NERVE AGENTS. IDIOTS LIKE YOU THINK THAT ONLY NUCLEAR IS WMD, BECAUSE YOU'RE STUPID..........

FK YOU AND FK THE RADICAL MUSLIMS.
You're still attempting to coax pathetic lies that have been disproven time and time again.
You're as funny as a fart in the space station!!!!!!!!!!1

Since: Dec 07

Kemp, TX

#57 Oct 8, 2012
BUSH DOUBLED THE DEBT!!!! BULLSHYTE! THE DEBT HAS GONE UP..........MORE.......UNDER NOBAMA IN FOUR YEARS AS BUSH IN 8!

THE BAD CREDIT RATING CAME 3 YEARS AFTER THE FULL DEM CONGRESS SPENDATHON AND BARRACK NOBAMA'S FAILED JOB'S STIMULUS AND FAILED GREEN ENERGY PROJECTS OF 90 BILLION DOLLARS.........IDIOT. THE DOW PEAKED October 2007 at over 14,000 AND WENT DOWN........IN TWO YEARS UNDER THE DEM CONGRESS.........LACK OF FAITH BY MAJOR INDUSTRIES, PROJECTED UBER TAXES BY A DEM CONGRESS AND DEM PRESIDENT. ECONOMICS WASN'T YOUR BEST SUBJECT WAS IT, BOZO?

"THE GOP SANK US INTO DICTATORSHIP! RIGHT NOW NSA IS LISTENING TO EVERYTHING WE TALK (ON THE PHONE), TYPE AND WRITE! NYPD IS SURVEILLING EVERY SPOT OF SOUTHERN MANHATTAN!" ROFLMAO

"A FULL DEM CONGRESS WAS ELECTED IN 2006....RUN IS MORE INTO DEBT...YOU ELECTED THE BOZO IN THE WHITEHOUSE NOW IN 2008........
BUSH FISNIHED HIS TERMS........SOOOOOOO WHAT DICTATORSHIP, IDIOT????

GAS NERVE AGENTS WERE USED ON THE KURDS AND KILLED THOUSANDS BY SADDAM. THAT..........IS A WEAPON OF MASS DISTRUCTION. DRONES WERE BEING DESIGNED BY SADDAM THAT COULD BE USED TO CARRY BIOLOGICAL AND GAS NERVE AGENTS. IDIOTS LIKE YOU THINK THAT ONLY NUCLEAR IS WMD, BECAUSE YOU'RE STUPID..........

FK YOU AND RADICAL ISLAM!!

“Leonardo Di Vinci died here”

Since: Nov 08

Perpignan

#58 Oct 8, 2012
conservative crapola wrote:
<quoted text>
They're on his mexican birth certificate. Which we haven't seen.......either.
oh my a birther.

“Leonardo Di Vinci died here”

Since: Nov 08

Perpignan

#59 Oct 8, 2012
Storm Warning wrote:
obama is anti White
No, actually he only uses his blackness as a tool for a base. They are too dumb to know that OBAMA RELATIVES were the ones that enslaved their relatives, they are too dumb to know Obama did vote for partial birth abortion and the law that said a doctor could not step in if the abortion failed and the baby lived, they are too dumb to know, OBAMA DID VOTE AGAINST THE 9 BILLION ASSISTANCE FOR KATRINA VICTIMS AND LIED IN HIS 2007 SPEECH.

Obama hasn't visited a black neighborhood since being sworn in. He has manufactured a40% black youth unemployment and a effective unemployment of 15% among all blacks. If we were at 7.8% as their lie depicts it means Obama has ignored the blacks and hispanics in favor of whites.

Obama has said in his speeches that we are our brothers keeper......yet his brother is in a mud hut living on $20 a year, and his two illegal relatives (aunt and uncle)are living in section 8 housing and on welfare. He cares nothing for his black side of the family.

Since: May 10

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#60 Oct 8, 2012
The choice:

A failed president who has never worked a day in his life in the private sector, and who attempted to cure the ills of a Constitutional Republic with socialist principles...

or...

A private-sector success who believes in the U.S. Constitution, the free market, and individual liberty, and who has promised to energize the private sector, where all wealth is created, by providing a framework by which all business', large and small, can prosper, thus growing the economy, putting people back to work, and freeing up the competitive spirit that provides more goods and services, at lower cost to consumers, than any other system ever tried.

Seems like a clear choice to me.

I'm voting Romney.
Razors Edge

Palos Hills, IL

#61 Oct 8, 2012
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>No, actually he only uses his blackness as a tool for a base. They are too dumb to know that OBAMA RELATIVES were the ones that enslaved their relatives, they are too dumb to know Obama did vote for partial birth abortion and the law that said a doctor could not step in if the abortion failed and the baby lived, they are too dumb to know, OBAMA DID VOTE AGAINST THE 9 BILLION ASSISTANCE FOR KATRINA VICTIMS AND LIED IN HIS 2007 SPEECH.
Obama hasn't visited a black neighborhood since being sworn in. He has manufactured a40% black youth unemployment and a effective unemployment of 15% among all blacks. If we were at 7.8% as their lie depicts it means Obama has ignored the blacks and hispanics in favor of whites.
Obama has said in his speeches that we are our brothers keeper......yet his brother is in a mud hut living on $20 a year, and his two illegal relatives (aunt and uncle)are living in section 8 housing and on welfare. He cares nothing for his black side of the family.
Yet another 5 Shot dead in Chicago Sunday,one of the victims a 13
year old female.....most repressive,strictest,illegal Democratic
Gun control Cities,and States in the USA,They are feverishly and
desperately trying to draft bills,to effectively block any ruling
from the SCOTUS,concerning CCW,so it will be almost impossible to
obtain a CCW permit? Motto is, so die from Gunshots,we dont like
Guns,And we will make sure no law abiding Illinois Citizens will
have the right to protect themselves,Plus the Gangs Provide a lot
of votes for Democrats every election!!!!!

BTW,just a short time ago Gas was hitting 4.90 per Gal??
Now its in CA,Fkg outrage??????? Go figure our media,was
it because they knew it might harm Oblamer???? he could
care less about it anyhoo!!
hop singh

United States

#62 Oct 8, 2012
conservative crapola wrote:
<quoted text>pot calling the kettle.
Funny cause Le bimbo is probably of the 47%...
harvey

Columbus, OH

#63 Oct 8, 2012
No, sadly, we don't. We're a nation of increasingly ignorant, poorly-educated, dumb, decadent idiots. We get the leadership we deserve, most of the time. Obama is probably slightly ABOVE the level we deserve, though Clinton and (especially) Bush were slightly BELOW that level.

It's hard to care anymore when you live in the U.S. of A, one nation under Dumb.
harvey

Columbus, OH

#64 Oct 8, 2012
Razors Edge wrote:
<quoted text>
Yet another 5 Shot dead in Chicago Sunday,one of the victims a 13
year old female.....most repressive,strictest,illegal Democratic
Gun control Cities,and States in the USA,They are feverishly and
desperately trying to draft bills,to effectively block any ruling
from the SCOTUS,concerning CCW,so it will be almost impossible to
obtain a CCW permit? Motto is, so die from Gunshots,we dont like
Guns,And we will make sure no law abiding Illinois Citizens will
have the right to protect themselves,Plus the Gangs Provide a lot
of votes for Democrats every election!!!!!
BTW,just a short time ago Gas was hitting 4.90 per Gal??
Now its in CA,Fkg outrage??????? Go figure our media,was
it because they knew it might harm Oblamer???? he could
care less about it anyhoo!!
So guns and gas prices are our real problems in AMerica, would you say?

LOL

More confirmation of my above post...:)
harvey

Columbus, OH

#65 Oct 8, 2012
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>No, actually he only uses his blackness as a tool for a base. They are too dumb to know that OBAMA RELATIVES were the ones that enslaved their relatives, they are too dumb to know Obama did vote for partial birth abortion and the law that said a doctor could not step in if the abortion failed and the baby lived, they are too dumb to know, OBAMA DID VOTE AGAINST THE 9 BILLION ASSISTANCE FOR KATRINA VICTIMS AND LIED IN HIS 2007 SPEECH.
Obama hasn't visited a black neighborhood since being sworn in. He has manufactured a40% black youth unemployment and a effective unemployment of 15% among all blacks. If we were at 7.8% as their lie depicts it means Obama has ignored the blacks and hispanics in favor of whites.
Obama has said in his speeches that we are our brothers keeper......yet his brother is in a mud hut living on $20 a year, and his two illegal relatives (aunt and uncle)are living in section 8 housing and on welfare. He cares nothing for his black side of the family.
A more odious piece of race-baiting and personal and racial hatred I've seldom seen on here. Apparently you're not ALWAYS just a clown who reposts Drudge sludge, you're also a vicious nazi bullshitter who gets some of his source material from Stormfront.

Die.
harvey

Columbus, OH

#66 Oct 8, 2012
Cary L Nickel wrote:
The choice:
A failed president who has never worked a day in his life in the private sector, and who attempted to cure the ills of a Constitutional Republic with socialist principles...
or...
A private-sector success who believes in the U.S. Constitution, the free market, and individual liberty, and who has promised to energize the private sector, where all wealth is created, by providing a framework by which all business', large and small, can prosper, thus growing the economy, putting people back to work, and freeing up the competitive spirit that provides more goods and services, at lower cost to consumers, than any other system ever tried.
Seems like a clear choice to me.
I'm voting Romney.
I'm choosing to call bullshit on your absurd lies, clown.

First, Mr. Obama's worked plenty in the private sector, unless you think that jobs as lawyer, professor don't count. Second, there's nothing inherently better about the private sector than the public sector, where he's held more jobs still.

Mittens, OTOH, was staked to a start by a rich Daddy and built a firm which made its money by buying companies, stripping them, and selling them or their assets off. Now, that's considered respectable by some, but a lot of us see him as a corporate pirate, pretty much.

His arrogant smirking, his greed, and his bumbling ineptitude and lying all disqualify him from the Presidency. No surprise that someone who believes in Randian fairy-tales of a 'free market' buy s this crapola, though.
harvey

Columbus, OH

#67 Oct 8, 2012
The laughing liberal wrote:
Our Divisive President
Barack Obama promised a new era of post-partisanship. In office, he's played racial politics and further split the country along class and party lines.
By PATRICK H. CADDELL
..blah, blah....
I'm old enough to remember a time when Pat Caddell wasn't a bullshitter and water-carrier for the extreme Right. Sadly, I've NEVER known a time when you weren't tearing down the President, half the population, and your country.

You're the divider....you're the problem. Get bent, loser.
Ken Yawn

Belle Vernon, PA

#68 Oct 8, 2012
TheOmniMatrix wrote:
Obama Admits to Democrat Voter Fraud, a Racist Party of Organized Crime
http://youtu.be/1iaN8fCrPfU
Obama sure isn't it. Word is spreading all over the nation just how desperate Obama is getting than he has do wage voter Fraud, as hundreds of Corrupt Democrats are now getting charged with voter fraud and NOW all of their fraudulent signature must be being burnt up with fire.
Americans are tired of being lied too and Obama has failed America.
How very true. The Marxist filth that support the Kenyan are hell bent on getting the usurper re-elected and they are in every cemetery in the USA and abroad to register the dead.
Ken Yawn

Belle Vernon, PA

#69 Oct 8, 2012
harvey wrote:
No, sadly, we don't. We're a nation of increasingly ignorant, poorly-educated, dumb, decadent idiots. We get the leadership we deserve, most of the time. Obama is probably slightly ABOVE the level we deserve, though Clinton and (especially) Bush were slightly BELOW that level.
It's hard to care anymore when you live in the U.S. of A, one nation under Dumb.
I must agree this time. Due to the incompetence of the teachers and unions we have a disgusting education system. Most never question the maggots they elect to serve them instead they take the verbal abuse no matter who dishes it out. Obama is so low he has to look up to see the bottom. Obama could not carry George Bush's bags and I am NO FAN of BUSH! Matter of fact if I had to choose between Bush Clinton and Obama I'd take Clinton without hesitation but now a decision to get this country back on track must be made next month and the only choice is ROMNEY/RYAN! Yes I know you love Obama Harvey but you only support him because he is half black and that is a very poor reason. There are plenty of very qualified black people who I would vote for as President. Alan West, Alan Keyes are just two super qualified men who are AMERICANS and love their country. Time for you to wise up Harv. Elect the person for their qualifications not color.

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