Firearms rally scheduled for Chambers...

Firearms rally scheduled for Chambersburg's square

There are 10983 comments on the Chambersburg Public Opinion story from Mar 29, 2013, titled Firearms rally scheduled for Chambersburg's square. In it, Chambersburg Public Opinion reports that:

Two local organizations are hosting a Second Amendment Freedom Rally on from noone to 2 p.m. April 6 on Courthouse Plaza in downtown Chambersburg.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Chambersburg Public Opinion.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#8124 Sep 30, 2013
Squach wrote:
<quoted text>Because they aren't interested in public safety,
If you gave a damn about public safer, Squishy, you wouldn't be advocating for gun sales to felons, wife beaters, terrorists, and your fellow mental deviants.

What a shame it is that your family isn't visited by what you wrought.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#8125 Sep 30, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll give you one, then you can go do your own homework. The state of Vermont.
Vermont is 20th on the list and has no big cities.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#8126 Sep 30, 2013
Squach wrote:
<quoted text>Because they aren't interested in public safety, if they were they would be working on controlling the criminals and psychos walking free on our streets. They are just interested in disarming the American people so that controlling the population will be more easily possible. Their ultimate goal is a total ban on firearms and they will use any opportunity to further that agenda by chipping away another little piece of the 2nd amendment.
There is no honest way to claim that liberals have not and are not deeply invested in crime reduction and mental health. That claim is a tactic to avoid honestly addressing the issue.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#8127 Sep 30, 2013
Jesus, what the hell happened here this weekend? Is EVERYONE just a vulgar POS troll?

I guess rational discussion of gun issues is beyond the capacity of this crowd.

Smell ya later, losers.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#8128 Sep 30, 2013
Squach wrote:
<quoted text>Because they aren't interested in public safety, if they were they would be working on controlling the criminals and psychos walking free on our streets. They are just interested in disarming the American people so that controlling the population will be more easily possible. Their ultimate goal is a total ban on firearms and they will use any opportunity to further that agenda by chipping away another little piece of the 2nd amendment.
ding-ding-ding-ding.....give that man a cigar.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#8129 Sep 30, 2013
LuciferakaGod wrote:
<quoted text>
yeah, there are no control on psychos and criminals... we have total anarchy here in the US... how astute of you dumb $-hits..you figured out our problem...
I am more worried about our educational system pumping out ignorant morons like you two..
Oh...so I take it you are against the lowering of the education standards (which has been going on for decades) all across this nation?

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#8130 Sep 30, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
Jesus, what the hell happened here this weekend? Is EVERYONE just a vulgar POS troll?
I guess rational discussion of gun issues is beyond the capacity of this crowd.
Smell ya later, losers.
As I have stated several times now....the trolls are thick this season.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#8131 Sep 30, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh...so I take it you are against the lowering of the education standards (which has been going on for decades) all across this nation?
should have been "a couple decades".

“HUNTING RIGHTS ADVOCATE”

Since: Oct 08

Boggy Creek

#8132 Sep 30, 2013
LuciferakaGod wrote:
<quoted text>
yeah, there are no control on psychos and criminals... we have total anarchy here in the US... how astute of you dumb $-hits..you figured out our problem...
I am more worried about our educational system pumping out ignorant morons like you two..
You should be worried about the revolving door your leftist liberal policies have created in the criminal justice system pumping out thousands of repeat offenders every day. It is your bullshit "feel good" liberal policies that have hundreds of thousands of extremely dangerous individuals released to plan and execute their mayhem on innocent people......with or without guns. YOU and your ilk have created the problem, take a bow. Now STFU and drag your satan worshiping ass back into whatever slimy hole you crawled out of. Oh, and have a nice day!
Consistant

Landisburg, PA

#8133 Sep 30, 2013
The .45-caliber pistol that killed Lucas Heagren, 3, on Memorial Day last year at his Ohio home had been temporarily hidden under the couch by his father. But Lucas found it and shot himself through the right eye.“It’s bad,” his mother told the 911 dispatcher.“It’s really bad.”

A few days later in Georgia, Cassie Culpepper, 11, was riding in the back of a pickup with her 12-year-old brother and two other children. Her brother started playing with a pistol his father had lent him to scare coyotes. Believing he had removed all the bullets, he pointed the pistol at his sister and squeezed the trigger. It fired, and blood poured from Cassie’s mouth.

Just a few weeks earlier, in Houston, a group of youths found a Glock pistol in an apartment closet while searching for snack money. A 15-year-old boy was handling the gun when it went off. Alex Whitfield, who had just turned 11, was struck. A relative found the bullet in his ashes from the funeral home.
Bearing Arms

Cases like these are among the most gut-wrenching of gun deaths. Children shot accidentally — usually by other children — are collateral casualties of the accessibility of guns in America, their deaths all the more devastating for being eminently preventable.

They die in the households of police officers and drug dealers, in broken homes and close-knit families, on rural farms and in city apartments. Some adults whose guns were used had tried to store them safely; others were grossly negligent. Still others pulled the trigger themselves, accidentally fracturing their own families while cleaning a pistol or hunting.

And there are far more of these innocent victims than official records show.

A New York Times review of hundreds of child firearm deaths found that accidental shootings occurred roughly twice as often as the records indicate, because of idiosyncrasies in how such deaths are classified by the authorities. The killings of Lucas, Cassie and Alex, for instance, were not recorded as accidents. Nor were more than half of the 259 accidental firearm deaths of children under age 15 identified by The Times in eight states where records were available.

As a result, scores of accidental killings are not reflected in the official statistics that have framed the debate over how to protect children from guns.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/29/us/children...
Consistant

Landisburg, PA

#8134 Sep 30, 2013
The National Rifle Association cited the lower official numbers this year in a fact sheet opposing “safe storage” laws, saying children were more likely to be killed by falls, poisoning or environmental factors — an incorrect assertion if the actual number of accidental firearm deaths is significantly higher.

In all, fewer than 20 states have enacted laws to hold adults criminally liable if they fail to store guns safely, enabling children to access them.

Legislative and other efforts to promote the development of childproof weapons using “smart gun” technology have similarly stalled. Technical issues have been an obstacle, but so have N.R.A. arguments that the problem is relatively insignificant and the technology unneeded.

Because of maneuvering in Congress by the gun lobby and its allies, firearms have also been exempted from regulation by the Consumer Product Safety Commission since its inception.

Even with a proper count, intentional shooting deaths of children — including gang shootings and murder-suicides by family members — far exceed accidental gun deaths. But accidents, more than the other firearm-related deaths, come with endless hypotheticals about what could have been done differently.

The rifle association’s lobbying arm recently posted on its Web site a claim that adult criminals who mishandle firearms — as opposed to law-abiding gun owners — are responsible for most fatal accidents involving children. But The Times’s review found that a vast majority of cases revolved around children’s access to firearms, with the shooting either self-inflicted or done by another child.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/29/us/children...

Since: Jun 08

Not Waynesboro or Hagerstown

#8135 Sep 30, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
Smell ya later, losers.
And we all know what an upstanding citizen you are. o.O

How is the Democratic Government Shutdown going to affect you Dan?
Consistant

Landisburg, PA

#8136 Sep 30, 2013
A common theme in the cases examined by The Times, in fact, was the almost magnetic attraction of firearms among boys. In all but a handful of instances, the shooter was male. Boys also accounted for more than 80 percent of the victims.

Time and again, boys could not resist handling a gun, disregarding repeated warnings by adults and, sometimes, their own sense that they were doing something wrong.

When Joshua Skorczewski, 11, took an unloaded 20-gauge shotgun out of the family gun cabinet in western Minnesota on July 28, 2008, it was because he was excited about going to a gun safety class that night and wanted to practice.

But for reasons that he later struggled to explain to the police, Joshua loaded a single shell into the gun and pulled the hammer back. He decided he should put the gun back, but his finger slipped. It fired, killing his 12-year-old sister, Natasha, who was standing in the kitchen with him. When his mother called from work to check on them, a shaken Joshua told her he had just called 911:“Mom, I shot Tasha.”

Christina Wenzel, the mother of Alex Whitfield, had tried to make sure he did not visit anyone’s house if guns were present. What she did not know, when Alex went to his father’s apartment last April, was that a family member had stored three loaded guns there.

“I always thought I had Alex protected from being killed by another child by a gun that was not secured,” Ms. Wenzel said.“Unfortunately, I was mistaken.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/29/us/children...

“HUNTING RIGHTS ADVOCATE”

Since: Oct 08

Boggy Creek

#8137 Sep 30, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no honest way to claim that liberals have not and are not deeply invested in crime reduction and mental health. That claim is a tactic to avoid honestly addressing the issue.
If you were honestly addressing the issue we wouldn't be having this conversation. The problem isn't guns. The problem is people. You know it as well as I do. Restricting and regulating the rights of the law abiding will do absolutely nothing to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals and psychos. All you can hope for with that aproach is to cause the criminals/psychos to buy on the black market or steal what they desire.......which the vast majority of them already do. Gun control is NOT the answer to reducing the violence and crime, reducing the number of criminals and psychos free to commit crime and acts of murder is undeniably the way to reduce crime and violence. A killer without a gun is still a killer, a gun without a killer is just a hunk of metal.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#8138 Sep 30, 2013
GenPatton wrote:
<quoted text>
And we all know what an upstanding citizen you are. o.O
How is the Democratic Government Shutdown going to affect you Dan?
I don't know. How do fairies and dragons affect you?

“HUNTING RIGHTS ADVOCATE”

Since: Oct 08

Boggy Creek

#8140 Sep 30, 2013
Consistant wrote:
The .45-caliber pistol that killed Lucas Heagren, 3, on Memorial Day last year at his Ohio home had been temporarily hidden under the couch by his father. But Lucas found it and shot himself through the right eye.“It’s bad,” his mother told the 911 dispatcher.“It’s really bad.”
A few days later in Georgia, Cassie Culpepper, 11, was riding in the back of a pickup with her 12-year-old brother and two other children. Her brother started playing with a pistol his father had lent him to scare coyotes. Believing he had removed all the bullets, he pointed the pistol at his sister and squeezed the trigger. It fired, and blood poured from Cassie’s mouth.
Just a few weeks earlier, in Houston, a group of youths found a Glock pistol in an apartment closet while searching for snack money. A 15-year-old boy was handling the gun when it went off. Alex Whitfield, who had just turned 11, was struck. A relative found the bullet in his ashes from the funeral home.
Bearing Arms
Cases like these are among the most gut-wrenching of gun deaths. Children shot accidentally — usually by other children — are collateral casualties of the accessibility of guns in America, their deaths all the more devastating for being eminently preventable.
They die in the households of police officers and drug dealers, in broken homes and close-knit families, on rural farms and in city apartments. Some adults whose guns were used had tried to store them safely; others were grossly negligent. Still others pulled the trigger themselves, accidentally fracturing their own families while cleaning a pistol or hunting.
And there are far more of these innocent victims than official records show.
A New York Times review of hundreds of child firearm deaths found that accidental shootings occurred roughly twice as often as the records indicate, because of idiosyncrasies in how such deaths are classified by the authorities. The killings of Lucas, Cassie and Alex, for instance, were not recorded as accidents. Nor were more than half of the 259 accidental firearm deaths of children under age 15 identified by The Times in eight states where records were available.
As a result, scores of accidental killings are not reflected in the official statistics that have framed the debate over how to protect children from guns.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/29/us/children...
For each one of the stories you listed there is and INDIVIDUAL who is COMPLETELY responsible for what happened. There is where your attention should be focussed, not on me and my firearmes because I had absolutely nothing to do with any of those incidents and neither were any of my firearmes involved.

"We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions."

~ Ronald Reagan ~

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#8141 Sep 30, 2013
Squach wrote:
<quoted text>If you were honestly addressing the issue we wouldn't be having this conversation. The problem isn't guns. The problem is people. You know it as well as I do. Restricting and regulating the rights of the law abiding will do absolutely nothing to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals and psychos. All you can hope for with that aproach is to cause the criminals/psychos to buy on the black market or steal what they desire.......which the vast majority of them already do. Gun control is NOT the answer to reducing the violence and crime, reducing the number of criminals and psychos free to commit crime and acts of murder is undeniably the way to reduce crime and violence. A killer without a gun is still a killer, a gun without a killer is just a hunk of metal.
When you frame the question as "laws against criminal behavior" vs "gun safety laws" you are creating a false choice. You create that false choice to avoid honestly dealing with the issue.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#8142 Sep 30, 2013
Squach wrote:
<quoted text>If you were honestly addressing the issue we wouldn't be having this conversation. The problem isn't guns. The problem is people. You know it as well as I do. Restricting and regulating the rights of the law abiding will do absolutely nothing to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals and psychos. All you can hope for with that aproach is to cause the criminals/psychos to buy on the black market or steal what they desire.......which the vast majority of them already do. Gun control is NOT the answer to reducing the violence and crime, reducing the number of criminals and psychos free to commit crime and acts of murder is undeniably the way to reduce crime and violence. A killer without a gun is still a killer, a gun without a killer is just a hunk of metal.
No measure will 100% solve the problem - including everything you've suggested.

When you start from the assumption that if gun safety measures don't solve the whole problem 100% then they are a waste of time, you are framing the issue so that you can avoid honestly dealing with it.
Consistant

Landisburg, PA

#8144 Sep 30, 2013
On a hot and humid August afternoon last year in Hinesville, Ga., Matthew Underhill, a staff sergeant in the Army, was mowing the lawn while his wife, Tessa, was in the house watching television with their 5-year-old son, Matthew. Their other son, Tristan, 2, was scampering down a hallway toward the bedrooms.

It had been a good day for Tristan. He had used the potty for the first time. He and his mother had danced a little jig. Down the hall, Tristan entered the bedroom where his father had been staying because of quarrels with his wife. She had chided her husband in the past for forgetting to safely store his .45-caliber handgun. But he had recently put a lock on his door to keep out his wife and children. He thought he had locked the door before going out to cut the grass.

The lock, though, had failed to catch. Tristan found the loaded gun under the pillow on his father’s bed. He pointed it at his own forehead and pulled the trigger. Hearing the gunshot, Sergeant Underhill sprinted inside to find Tristan face down on the bed, the gun beneath him. When he called 911, the sergeant was screaming so hysterically that the dispatcher initially mistook him for a woman.

“My 2-year-old just shot himself in the head,” he said breathlessly.“He’s dead.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/29/us/children...
Consistant

Landisburg, PA

#8145 Sep 30, 2013
About half of the accidents took place inside the child’s home. A third, however, occurred at the house of a friend or a relative, pointing to a potential vulnerability if safe-storage laws apply only to households with children, as in North Carolina.

In opposing safe-storage laws, some gun rights advocates have argued that a majority of accidental shootings of children are committed by adults with criminal backgrounds. The Times’s review found that was not the case — children were most often the shooters — and that the families involved came from all walks of life.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/29/us/children...

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

US News Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
News Plurality of Americans think Trump is failing 1 min George Justapose 15,989
Election 'Fox News Sunday' to Host Kentucky Senate Debate (Oct '10) 2 min Well 279,533
News Democrats, civil rights group aim to block Trum... 5 min Quirky 110
News Evolution vs. Creation (Jul '11) 21 min old_moose 221,793
News Psychiatrists say Trump is mentally ill 31 min PhatAlice 94
News Helicopter carrying WWE exec makes emergency oc... 33 min Evan Politico 4
News Barack Obama, our next President (Nov '08) 35 min Cheech the Conser... 1,564,429
News How should an angry liberal celebrate the Fourt... 2 hr Alt Right lies 485
News By a 2-to-1 margin, Americans prefer Obamacare ... 3 hr Retribution 305
More from around the web