America's Addiction: Waging War on Humanity

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Nutjobs here

Tel Aviv, Israel

#21 Apr 30, 2013
Max wrote:
I don't think any country in today s world ever invaded a country after 2 soldiers were taken hostage and then killed, only to cause 1 000 + deaths. Israel is quite unique in that regard.
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Didnt a World War begin with the death of one person???

You also dont seem to differentiate between civilians and terrorists (or militants/heroes in your eyes). The majority of deaths were legally sound. The civilian death is a tragedy.
So the US, Nato, half of Africa, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria etc all these nations have massacred civilians 100 times the number of deaths as in Israels wars but you target Israel for fighting against a group whose main reason for existence is to annihilate it.

Every heard of double standard??
Nutjobs here

Tel Aviv, Israel

#22 Apr 30, 2013
Max wrote:
Yeah sure. Just close your eyes and ears, and spit the same sh1t forth again.
So you have given up writing as soon as someone can prove you wrong??
Can you answer any of the questions i posed???

Any legal international document which gives the Palestinians as a nation the right to the land?
Max

Montréal, Canada

#23 Apr 30, 2013
Nutjobs here wrote:
Didnt a World War begin with the death of one person???
Oh allright. You got me. Wars often are as stupid from one another. You did make me pass for a newb but didn't really defend Israel at all. Is that the misdirection trick again?
Nutjobs here wrote:
You also dont seem to differentiate between civilians and terrorists (or militants/heroes in your eyes).
Don't put words in my mouth "brah". They are mostly terrorists or idiots to my eyes. Don't use the punctuation to associate terrorist with militants and idiots to heroes, k?
Nutjobs here wrote:
The majority of deaths were legally sound.


You would make a great lawyer.
Nutjobs here wrote:
So the US, Nato, half of Africa, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria etc all these nations have massacred civilians 100 times the number of deaths as in Israels wars


You have to give numbers in percentage if you wish to prove Israelites to be more or less bloody than the others. Beside, who believes figures given by governments? You? lol.
Max

Montréal, Canada

#24 Apr 30, 2013
Nutjobs here wrote:
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So you have given up writing as soon as someone can prove you wrong??
I will repeat myself. Your second text was pretty much the same as your first one.
Nutjobs here

Tel Aviv, Israel

#25 Apr 30, 2013
Max wrote:
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Oh allright. You got me. Wars often are as stupid from one another. You did make me pass for a newb but didn't really defend Israel at all. Is that the misdirection trick again?
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Don't put words in my mouth "brah". They are mostly terrorists or idiots to my eyes. Don't use the punctuation to associate terrorist with militants and idiots to heroes, k?
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You would make a great lawyer.
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You have to give numbers in percentage if you wish to prove Israelites to be more or less bloody than the others. Beside, who believes figures given by governments? You? lol.
i have presented some vital facts which help in understanding the conflict a bit better.
My Bad i should not have assumed that your consider terrorists freedom fighters. Does that mean you consider Hamas and Hizballah terrorist groups?
Either way your 1000+ comment implies that they were innocent.
You did not even read my posts especially when i quoted the Mandate for Palestine as you answered on the partition plan 65 years ago and not the original legally binding document on the conflict from the 1920's.
If you can name any conflict in modern history where an army has been more moral than the IDF? In every war and battle civilian die the question is if they were intentionally targeted, if it was legal, and what was done to prevent civilian casualties.
Israel has shown with the above to be more moral than any other army. If you can deny this than give some evidence. I would explain in more depth but no interest to write if you will not read it.

Speaking of % there is no war in the history of the world where an army has attacked such a densly populated area with so much firepower with such a high civilian population and such low civilian casualties. I refer to Gaza. The majority are male adults, than as the age gets younger the male female ratio is much closer. The majority of male children where of teen age often involved in the fighting.
In a place where most are children it is highly unlikely to come to these casualties if Israel was intentionally targeting civilians. Again i can give you the names and exact ratios if you are interested.
As for % look at the deaths in major wars the past 60 years and try to tell me Israel is near the top.

http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/massacre.htm...
the above link gives you figures for many wars showing how low the casualties are in the Israeli-Arab conflict.
Max

Montréal, Canada

#26 Apr 30, 2013
Nutjobs here wrote:
My Bad i should not have assumed that your consider terrorists freedom fighters. Does that mean you consider Hamas and Hizballah terrorist groups?
Putting words in my mouth I see.
Nutjobs here wrote:
Either way your 1000+ comment implies that they were innocent.
Putting words in my mouth again I see.
Nutjobs here wrote:
If you can name any conflict in modern history where an army has been more moral than the IDF?Israel has shown with the above to be more moral than any other army.If you can deny this than give some evidence.
My. There were many incidents with the IDF shooting unarmed kids. One very famous as that but the actual name escapes me.
Nutjobs here wrote:
In every war and battle civilian die the question is if they were intentionally targeted, if it was legal, and what was done to prevent civilian casualties.
You still believe digits given by authorities?
Nutjobs here wrote:
Speaking of % there is no war in the history of the world where an army has attacked such a densly populated area with so much firepower with such a high civilian population and such low civilian casualties. I refer to Gaza.
You still believe digits given by authorities?
Nutjobs here wrote:
The majority are male adults, than as the age gets younger the male female ratio is much closer. The majority of male children where of teen age often involved in the fighting.
They just might have been forcefully evicted from their homes a few years ago.
Nutjobs here wrote:
In a place where most are children it is highly unlikely to come to these casualties if Israel was intentionally targeting civilians. Again i can give you the names and exact ratios if you are interested.
You still believe figures given by authorities? Naive much?
Nutjobs here wrote:
As for % look at the deaths in major wars the past 60 years and try to tell me Israel is near the top.
http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/massacre.htm...
Your link doesn't give % values. When it comes to Israelites, I believe the correct ratio would be % of Israelites that killed, wounded or commited other crimes compared to other countries.
Nutjobs here

Tel Aviv, Israel

#27 Apr 30, 2013
Max wrote:
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Putting words in my mouth I see.
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Putting words in my mouth again I see.
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My. There were many incidents with the IDF shooting unarmed kids. One very famous as that but the actual name escapes me.
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You still believe digits given by authorities?
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You still believe digits given by authorities?
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They just might have been forcefully evicted from their homes a few years ago.
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You still believe figures given by authorities? Naive much?
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Your link doesn't give % values. When it comes to Israelites, I believe the correct ratio would be % of Israelites that killed, wounded or commited other crimes compared to other countries.
if you would explain or even state your opinion i would not need to come to conclusions based on what you have said.
When did I mention anything about figures from authorities??? you seem to be pushing this idea. Who is putting words in whose mouth now.
I believe it was eldersofzion blog who wrote a list of most of the casualty names and then gave links to jihadist websites with pictures, videos and such proving even their own people and mostly the people killed considered themselves jihadists.
The figures were based on UN/Red Cross and other orgs.
What do you consider Hamas & Hizballah?
Do you believe Israel has a right to exist?
What figures do you believe?
Do you think Israel has a right to protect itself?
So give examples if there where many incidents of IDF shooting unarmed kids? You are probably thinking of Al-Durah or one of the other lies from the Palestinians. Not saying it hasnt happened as it has but very rare and most its obvious it was not intentional.
What about the fact that Hamas even admits it surrounds itself with children? Hamas has forced civilians to stay in buildings used as missile launching pads and so on. Not to mention this doesnt prove IDF less moral than other armies just as in most cases there are always exceptions.
To go back to international law. If a building is used as a military base in any way it is a viable target no matter if civilians are inside or not. This is not how Israel works but legally it can.
SO you are justifying children involvement in battles? There would have been no home demolitions without terrorism from those buildings. Again at least in the large majority of cases. Maybe you should follow Palestinian tv, schools, songs and most parts of their society which encourage children to kill Jews. They are brainwashed to hate no surprise that their leaders and even parents send them into harms way for their nations benefit.
You are looking for ratios based on a countries population not based on those involved in the wars.
My link proves that out of all the conflicts over the past 150 years the Israel-Arab conflict has led to significantly less casualties.
Maybe look at the ratio of Israelis killed in the Independence war compared to its population.
My point is that Israel is not perfect but who is, however, Israel is much more moral than probably any other country in the world at times of war and this can be seen very simply by analyzing the battle casualties and what Israel does to prevent civilian casualties which no other country in the world does.
By your answers it seems as though you have no understanding of the conflict.(words in your mouth again i suppose). Maybe give a real opinion.

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