What the 2012 election taught us

What the 2012 election taught us

There are 10317 comments on the The Washington Post story from Nov 6, 2012, titled What the 2012 election taught us. In it, The Washington Post reports that:

We've been scouring the data for clues as to what we should learn from what happened tonight as President Obama relatively easily claimed a second term.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Washington Post.

Aphelion

Kissimmee, FL

#4199 Nov 30, 2012
okb2 wrote:
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Everytime you talk that crap I think of how much weathier you must be than Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, George Soros, and member of the Patriot Millionaires club.
I would say that my views are pretty much in line with my position and yours are pretty much in line with your position, a tired old loser willing to leave his children and grandchildren burdened with debt rather that pay one dime more.
Where your argument breaks down is that my children and thier children will not be left with all this debt that you are talking about.

Never stated that I was rich. Again your envy of those who you percieve to be doing better is worn on your sleeve. Still doesn't stop being funny you calling me a loser while you cry out that others need to pay for "YOU". I don't need anyone elses money .. I'm willing to earn my own. It appears that you are not.

Thanks for sharing you small minded world view
Aphelion

Kissimmee, FL

#4200 Nov 30, 2012
okb2 wrote:
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Good, then join me as I call for the elimination of SS and medicare immediately, not tomorrow. I have no use for them either and have planned to live without them.
Only a loser would have have based their retirement on their being here.
A dependent? Hardly. Understanding and compassionate? YES!
Compassionate enough for the next generation to do away with SS and medicare so they can save for their own retirement. I am less than 10 years from retirement and I am willing not to collect a dime if they just do away with it, today not tomorrow.
And no, I am not a loser like you that has to lie about my position or my children.
Oh please small minded one. Tell me where I lied.

Is this really the best that your GED education can muster. If so maybe you just need to got back to the little kids table.

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#4201 Nov 30, 2012
Aphelion wrote:
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YAWN
Military veterans are waiting an average of 80 days to meet with a mental health care provider at the Spokane VA Medical Center, falling far short of the 14-day goal set by Veterans Affairs.
The problems appear to be grounded in recurring staff shortages at VA medical centers across the country at a time when there’s an influx of men and women seeking help upon returning from foreign wars.
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2012/apr/24/...
That is a specific type of doctor and you stated doctor in a general sense. You are still the loser that chooses to leave his children and grandchildren up to their neck in debt instead of paying one more dime himself.

What kind of loser does that? A Republican loser.

BTW: How much of that 80 day wait is due to the militaries recent acceptance of treatment for both concussions and PTSD? Neither of whcih got much attention under the bush administration. One more thing the best President in our lifetime has done for the Veteran.

You are aware that Obama got much more money donated by military members than Romney got aren't you?
Aphelion

Kissimmee, FL

#4202 Nov 30, 2012
okb2 wrote:
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The Republicans walked from a $4 cuts to $1 (4:1)taxes deal more than a year ago. During the primaries they bragged and flaunted that they would walk from a $10:1 package.
Obama is now offering them a $1:4 package and will most likely accept a $1:1 package. And if the REpublicans walk they are going to look like as*es and it will show in 2014.
They should have taken the 4:1 package and used that as the template for all future negotiations. People remember that they did not. Instead they made the nation suffer another two years without a deal when we could have had some certainty and growth.
I do hope the Republicans walk away again.
Conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer drew a curious comparison on Fox News Thursday evening between Washington's fiscal cliff standoff and the Civil War.

During a panel appearance on "Special Report" with Bret Baier, Krauthammer compared the White House's opening proposal in the fiscal cliff negotiations to the surrender terms offered General Robert E. Lee at Appomattox Court House to conclude the Civil War.

Said Krauthammer:

It's not just a bad deal, this is really an insulting deal... Robert E. Lee was offered easier terms at Appomattox and he lost the Civil War. The Democrats won by 3% of the vote and they did not hold the House. Republicans won the House. So this is not exactly unconditional surrender, but that's what the administration is asking of Republicans.
There not only are no cuts in this, there's an increase in new spending with a stimulus - this is almost unheard of. I mean, what do they expect? They obviously expect the Republicans will cave on everything. I think Republican ought to simply walk away.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/30/char...
Aphelion

Kissimmee, FL

#4203 Nov 30, 2012
okb2 wrote:
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The Republicans walked from a $4 cuts to $1 (4:1)taxes deal more than a year ago. During the primaries they bragged and flaunted that they would walk from a $10:1 package.
Obama is now offering them a $1:4 package and will most likely accept a $1:1 package. And if the REpublicans walk they are going to look like as*es and it will show in 2014.
They should have taken the 4:1 package and used that as the template for all future negotiations. People remember that they did not. Instead they made the nation suffer another two years without a deal when we could have had some certainty and growth.
I do hope the Republicans walk away again.
I would love to see them walk away. Can't wait to see the Dems in 2014 still blaming Bush

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#4204 Nov 30, 2012
Aphelion wrote:
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Where your argument breaks down is that my children and thier children will not be left with all this debt that you are talking about.
Never stated that I was rich. Again your envy of those who you percieve to be doing better is worn on your sleeve. Still doesn't stop being funny you calling me a loser while you cry out that others need to pay for "YOU". I don't need anyone elses money .. I'm willing to earn my own. It appears that you are not.
Thanks for sharing you small minded world view
If you weren't such a sorry loser you would know that in four years the debt will at $20 Trillion or more and the Republican House ran by Boehner and seconded by Cantor is going to approve every single dime of spending for the next two years just as the did the past two years.

So you are right, your children and grandchildren will not be left with all this debt, they will be left with even more.

Or they can leave the country, that is always an option.

You were the one that started attacking me with how low you thought I was. If you can't take it, don't do it.
Aphelion

Kissimmee, FL

#4205 Nov 30, 2012
okb2 wrote:
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That is a specific type of doctor and you stated doctor in a general sense. You are still the loser that chooses to leave his children and grandchildren up to their neck in debt instead of paying one more dime himself.
What kind of loser does that? A Republican loser.
BTW: How much of that 80 day wait is due to the militaries recent acceptance of treatment for both concussions and PTSD? Neither of whcih got much attention under the bush administration. One more thing the best President in our lifetime has done for the Veteran.
You are aware that Obama got much more money donated by military members than Romney got aren't you?
Ahh so on top of being a government dependent your now a lawyer? It all depends on what your definition of is, is? Are you really this stupid?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#4206 Nov 30, 2012
okb2 wrote:
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Republicans set up the 3rd largest (in the whole world) purely socialist healthcare system in the world around WW II. It is called the Veterans Affairs Healthcare System and it is government owned, operated and regulated.
When do you think it will or should fail?
You are incorrect yet again. Veteran's health care in the United States predates the Republican Party by at least 50 years:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champva#Eligibil...

Why is it failing? Because it's become subject to the exact same thing that causes every government agency to become bloated and ineffective: The modern Federal bureaucracy.

Where have you been? Don't you know that since your man Barack Obama has been President, Federal agencies are no long about providing service to the public, but are about creating jobs?

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#4207 Nov 30, 2012
Aphelion wrote:
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Oh please small minded one. Tell me where I lied.
Is this really the best that your GED education can muster. If so maybe you just need to got back to the little kids table.
You are the small minded one that has to put everyone down that thinks differently than you do.

You are the one that started this business of my thoughts not aligning with my place in society.

You are the one that would leave your children and grandchildren drowning in debt instead of paying one more dime.

What a loser you must be.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#4208 Nov 30, 2012
au contraire wrote:
<quoted text>I've continued to ask for post numbers and yet you keep up blather instead. Why is that?
you have never asked me to post any numbers on this issue. You need to keep your fantasy world and reality straight in your head.

you made the claim, the burden of proof of your prejudice is on you, not me.
Aphelion

Kissimmee, FL

#4209 Nov 30, 2012
okb2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Everytime you talk that crap I think of how much weathier you must be than Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, George Soros, and member of the Patriot Millionaires club.
I would say that my views are pretty much in line with my position and yours are pretty much in line with your position, a tired old loser willing to leave his children and grandchildren burdened with debt rather that pay one dime more.
For the most part, success isn't random. Most rich people deserve their wealth just as poor people deserve their poverty. There's a reason a bank CEO is where he is and a dirty hippy with empty pockets is impotently protesting him in the street. Most people who fail deserve to be failing just as most people who succeed deserve to be succeeding. There is such a thing as right and wrong and, no, there isn't a different standard depending on whether you're white or black, Israeli or Palestinian, straight or gay, liberal or conservative. Liberals can't bear to be "mean" to people who are losing at life by telling them that truth; so they'd rather pretend there are no rules, no standards, and no morals that matter. Once you embrace that kind of indiscriminateness, there is no degeneracy from Palestinian suicide bombers to Occupy Movement rapes that you will not excuse under the right circumstances.

1) "That is one reason 'feelings' and 'compassion' are two of the most often used liberal terms.'Character' is no longer a liberal word because it implies self-restraint.'Good and evil' are not liberal words either as they imply a moral standard beyond one’s feelings. In assessing what position to take on moral or social questions, the liberal asks him or herself,'How do I feel about it?' or 'How do I show the most compassion?'— not 'What is right?' or 'What is wrong?' For the liberal, right and wrong are dismissed as unknowable, and every person chooses his or her own morality." -- Dennis Prager

http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/20...
Aphelion

Kissimmee, FL

#4210 Nov 30, 2012
okb2 wrote:
<quoted text>
You are the small minded one that has to put everyone down that thinks differently than you do.
You are the one that started this business of my thoughts not aligning with my place in society.
You are the one that would leave your children and grandchildren drowning in debt instead of paying one more dime.
What a loser you must be.
Keep clutching to that belief

HAHAHA

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#4211 Nov 30, 2012
au contraire wrote:
<quoted text>Obama is in a pickle. He is playing chicken in a Volt and he doesn’t have any juice. If the Republicans walk because Obama will not offer cuts, then the cliff is what Obama wants and what his voters get. When the tax cuts expire, all of Obama's voter base will get a tax increase. I can hear the squeals and the gnashing of teeth already. Let's go people, call your congressman and tell them to get behind the bus and push this clown and his stupidity off the cliff. Maybe his arrogance will go with him.
you really think tax increases would be ggood for our economy now?
Aphelion

Kissimmee, FL

#4212 Nov 30, 2012
okb2 wrote:
<quoted text>
If you weren't such a sorry loser you would know that in four years the debt will at $20 Trillion or more and the Republican House ran by Boehner and seconded by Cantor is going to approve every single dime of spending for the next two years just as the did the past two years.
So you are right, your children and grandchildren will not be left with all this debt, they will be left with even more.
Or they can leave the country, that is always an option.
You were the one that started attacking me with how low you thought I was. If you can't take it, don't do it.
And this has what to do with your position on government dependency?
Aphelion

Kissimmee, FL

#4213 Nov 30, 2012
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>you really think tax increases would be ggood for our economy now?
The country needs to look at cutting entitlements, foreign aid, and institute a flat tax which would spread that burden fairly across the country.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#4214 Nov 30, 2012
Aphelion wrote:
Democrats are great believers in the concept of Liberty for all of humanity. It's just that individual humans need to be restrained -- for their on good of course. It would be irresponsible to let an individual endanger their health by eating greasy theater popcorn or drinking water from a mountain stream that some fish has peed in (and hasn't been tested by a government agency). Sadly, when you face the reality, every aspect of human activity must be controlled by the superior knowledge of the government bureaucrat. That government bureaucrats themselves are sometimes accused of being human is a fallacious argument as their holistic association results in superior knowledge.
The liberal indoctrination starts as soon as the child is in the public school system and continues through college.

CNBC's Joe Kernen writes of his young daughter Blake's indoctrination:

"Your Teacher Said What?!: Defending Our Kids from the Liberal Assault on Capitalism"

[H]er answers told Joe that she had already absorbed a distorted view of economics---from her school, pop culture (even animated movies!), and just about everywhere else.

She was learning that capitalism is unavoidably immoral, that business people can't be trusted, especially if they run big companies like BP or Wal-Mart, that trade is bad because it hurts American workers, and that no matter how bad things get, the government will always bail us out. Joe admits that he shouldn't have been surprised in an era when Washington casually takes over car companies and spends a trillion dollars "stimulating" the economy.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/41967590/

“Ignore the trolls”

Since: Oct 08

Bath, UK

#4215 Nov 30, 2012
sage won wrote:
okb2 wrote:
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Who is the bigger idiot, the lender or the borrower in that transaction?
What we need to do is find out what allowed the lender to be that big of an idiot and stop that.
The responsiblity of saying no to the borrower rests with the lender.
**********
Lies, no bank would voluntarily make questionable loans, the government FORCED them to, but the dems did help them out by allowing F and F to take them of their hands, with the taxpayer picking up the tab, which is exactly what happened.
Care to provide any evidence to support that asserion? Given the eagerness of banks to indulge in the sub prime fiasco, which occurred during the Bush administration, you are saying a Republican President forced banks to make these loans. But, of course, you are never wrong, you told us so.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#4216 Nov 30, 2012
Aphelion wrote:
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The country needs to look at cutting entitlements, foreign aid, and institute a flat tax which would spread that burden fairly across the country.
i agree we need to use our tax dollars more efficiently. forein aid can have a good ROI.

A true flat tax, everyone pays the same amount, would not provide for a viable tax base. most people would not be able to pay that amount.
hahahahahaha

Carmel, IN

#4217 Nov 30, 2012
sage won wrote:
okb2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Who is the bigger idiot, the lender or the borrower in that transaction?
What we need to do is find out what allowed the lender to be that big of an idiot and stop that.
The responsiblity of saying no to the borrower rests with the lender.
**********
Lies, no bank would voluntarily make questionable loans, the government FORCED them to, but the dems did help them out by allowing F and F to take them of their hands, with the taxpayer picking up the tab, which is exactly what happened.
Gotta hand it to those libs, they are really good at placing blame on everyone but themselves.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#4219 Nov 30, 2012
Aphelion wrote:
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And this has what to do with your position on government dependency?
She is obviously setting up a narrative to blame republicans for anything bad that happens. My guess is she is a big MSNBC fan. I heard those words practically verbatim from Chrissy Matthews.

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