Ohio Slipping Out Of Romney's Reach

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OHIO NOW LEANS OBAMA: ABC News Political Director Amy Walter notes that today's New York Times-CBS News-Quinnipiac poll is the fourth non-partisan media poll in a row to show President Obama not only ahead by a significant margin, but at or above 50 percent of the vote. Full Story
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#3094 Dec 8, 2012
Blacktigershark wrote:
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What God also blessed mankind with was INTELLIGENCE! See how God has been able to motivate mankind in order to make conscious decisions, like voting in Obama over a lying, double-talking Romney? GOD IS GREAT, isn't He?
Now God would like YOU to respect the leader that has been democratically chosen for you, and He would also like it if you stopped circulating lies that bitter losers from Republican channels are feeding you. Your leader has been chosen! If you believe that there is an issue with how your leader is moving FORWARD with your nation, then write an e-mail to the President with some suggestions...you never know what your President will take under advisement if YOU DON'T E-MAIL HIM, and instead bitch about him being your President, while circulating lies about him, and refusing to work WITH him in order to make America a better nation, right xxxrayted? You think the President reads the comments on this forum?
People have rights, xxxrayted. Muslims in America have rights. Gays in America have rights. Atheists and agnostics in America have rights. Visible minorities in America have rights. America CLAIMS that it is the nation of FREEDOM, right xxxrayted? If that is so, then all these groups in America have the RIGHT to not have their rights infringed upon in the public venue...if YOU want to worship the Pope, you go to a Catholic church...you DON'T set up barricades on your block in order to prevent others that don't believe in the Catholic faith from being able to leave the neighbourhood, so that they don't have to listen to your beliefs, while you're there chanting over a loudspeaker about the Pope, the Catholic faith, and Sister Mary or whatever you Catholics believe in...Freedom is FREEDOM, much like how God gave humankind the freedom to choose between eternal life and the Tree of Knowledge! Thanks for coming out, xxxrayted...it is important to school an old fart like you sometimes about the ways of the world, and the will of God!
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Geeze you're a windbag. Don't you have the ability to put your thoughts in a few sentences rather than several paragraphs? Barely enough room to respond.

God does not want me to praise DumBama--you do. As you said, he gave us intelligence. There is only one leader God wants us to follow, and that's him.

What DumBama is doing is moving us towards Socialism, or as close as he can get us. That's not moving forward, that's moving in an entirely different direction--closer to Communism. DumBama won't read letters from real Americans. The only letters he reads are the ones that praise him.

While no Romney fan, I can say that he is a descent human being. You can't say that about DumBama. His past is loaded with shady relationships with lowlifes and criminals. Yes, I embellish freedom which is why I hate DumBama. He has forced us into a healthcare system the majority of us don'e want. He has closed industries such as tobacco shops, energy plants, and even tried to have his minions close down Boeing along with Gibson guitars. That's not freedom. That's dictatorship.

Since: Aug 11

Santa Cruz, CA

#3095 Dec 8, 2012
Romney? Who's that?

Since: Aug 11

Santa Cruz, CA

#3096 Dec 8, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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Geeze you're a windbag. Don't you have the ability to put your thoughts in a few sentences rather than several paragraphs? Barely enough room to respond.
God does not want me to praise DumBama--you do. As you said, he gave us intelligence. There is only one leader God wants us to follow, and that's him.
What DumBama is doing is moving us towards Socialism, or as close as he can get us. That's not moving forward, that's moving in an entirely different direction--closer to Communism. DumBama won't read letters from real Americans. The only letters he reads are the ones that praise him.
While no Romney fan, I can say that he is a descent human being. You can't say that about DumBama. His past is loaded with shady relationships with lowlifes and criminals. Yes, I embellish freedom which is why I hate DumBama. He has forced us into a healthcare system the majority of us don'e want. He has closed industries such as tobacco shops, energy plants, and even tried to have his minions close down Boeing along with Gibson guitars. That's not freedom. That's dictatorship.
China and India, two socialist countries, are doing much better than we are. Why do you thing that is?

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#3097 Dec 8, 2012
WasteWater wrote:
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China and India, two socialist countries, are doing much better than we are. Why do you thing that is?
Socialism takes on many forms and how the Government involves itself in economical activity.

Since: Aug 11

Santa Cruz, CA

#3098 Dec 8, 2012
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>Socialism takes on many forms and how the Government involves itself in economical activity.
True, but it doesn't answer my question. Personally, I dislike most government agencies because they function with little or no oversight, are wasteful and often counter-productive.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#3099 Dec 8, 2012
WasteWater wrote:
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China and India, two socialist countries, are doing much better than we are. Why do you thing that is?
Are you referring to the countries or the citizens?

China and Inda now own our manufacturing. The US with it's labor movement, regulations and taxes has priced us out of the world market.

Are the Chinese so much better than the US. They claim their unemployment is 6.5% currently. But there is a lot of fudging the numbers. Most believe it's much higher:

http://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-unemplo...

India not far behind. They are pretty close to our unemployment rate in the US:

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/country-list/...

Since: Aug 11

Santa Cruz, CA

#3100 Dec 8, 2012
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>Socialism takes on many forms and how the Government involves itself in economical activity.
Like the criminal justice system, national defense system, Homeland Security, FAA, FCC, federal hi-way system, police forces, national guard, coast guard, border patrol, prison system, all government agencies, all parks, etc. etc. These are also a source of employment and tax revenue.

Since: Aug 11

Santa Cruz, CA

#3101 Dec 8, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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Are you referring to the countries or the citizens?
China and Inda now own our manufacturing. The US with it's labor movement, regulations and taxes has priced us out of the world market.
Are the Chinese so much better than the US. They claim their unemployment is 6.5% currently. But there is a lot of fudging the numbers. Most believe it's much higher:
http://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-unemplo...
India not far behind. They are pretty close to our unemployment rate in the US:
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/country-list/...
Yes they do. How would you like to work in a sweatshop? How about your children? You are looking at numbers with your eyes closed.

China owns much of our debt. They don't own our business. We give them our business by seeking cheaper products while overlooking the fact that our people don't work or pay taxes. IOWs we shoot ourselves in the foot. Unemployment numbers are pretty much meaningless due to the fact that many just fall off the edge when their unemployment runs out. What's more, the black market is a huge factor in our economy. Hell, the illegal labors make a much better living than people working at WalMart, Target, and Home Depot.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#3102 Dec 8, 2012
WasteWater wrote:
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Like the criminal justice system, national defense system, Homeland Security, FAA, FCC, federal hi-way system, police forces, national guard, coast guard, border patrol, prison system, all government agencies, all parks, etc. etc. These are also a source of employment and tax revenue.
but those government jobs dont produce or have an Use Value like a vehicle and that is what is needed to produce monetary value, government jobs dont create wealth.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#3103 Dec 8, 2012
WasteWater wrote:
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True, but it doesn't answer my question. Personally, I dislike most government agencies because they function with little or no oversight, are wasteful and often counter-productive.
True, I agree, and that is the problem here in the US with the Federal Government with different federal agenices and bureaucracies they have created over the years.

Since: Aug 11

Santa Cruz, CA

#3104 Dec 8, 2012
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>but those government jobs dont produce or have an Use Value like a vehicle and that is what is needed to produce monetary value, government jobs dont create wealth.
We don't make tangible products here anymore. The same can be said of national defense where much of the money gets spent overseas or on really expensive weapons systems which produce nothing at all except wages for those who build them.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#3105 Dec 8, 2012
WasteWater wrote:
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We don't make tangible products here anymore. The same can be said of national defense where much of the money gets spent overseas or on really expensive weapons systems which produce nothing at all except wages for those who build them.
Right, and why the US has a Federal Deficit Problem and why the Federal Government has had to keep borrowing to pay the bills because the US dont create use value item to sell to world anymore and the monetary value the US once created is being produced and being kept offshore in countries like China.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#3106 Dec 8, 2012
WasteWater wrote:
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Yes they do. How would you like to work in a sweatshop? How about your children? You are looking at numbers with your eyes closed.
China owns much of our debt. They don't own our business. We give them our business by seeking cheaper products while overlooking the fact that our people don't work or pay taxes. IOWs we shoot ourselves in the foot. Unemployment numbers are pretty much meaningless due to the fact that many just fall off the edge when their unemployment runs out. What's more, the black market is a huge factor in our economy. Hell, the illegal labors make a much better living than people working at WalMart, Target, and Home Depot.
Actually, a new study shows that if you are making the average median income, you are better off on welfare. What they found is that divided equally, various government goodies pay more than a working family brings in.

What's the point of working?

How do we convince Americans to support their fellow countrymen by buying more expensive American made products? You can't. Everybody is looking out for themselves.

A few years back, my local KFC closed down. No problem, I'll just go to the KFC in the next suburb. That one was closed down too. Digging around on the internet, I found that KFC's were closing all across the country. Americans were going to cheaper chicken places, so KFC moved much of their operations to China where they are doing very well. They don't even sell chicken there.

Nothing is sacred anymore including staples like KFC. We have become so consumed with cheaper prices that we even buy cheap food. People younger than me do't know what a real Big Mac tasted like, or a Burger King whopper for that matter. Through the years, these great sandwiches were cheapened because of consumer demand.

Our poor live better than many European working families. More amenities, larger homes, they eat better. When you reward failure and discourage success, don't be surprised when you have a nation of more irresponsible people.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#3107 Dec 8, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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Actually, a new study shows that if you are making the average median income, you are better off on welfare. What they found is that divided equally, various government goodies pay more than a working family brings in.
What's the point of working?
How do we convince Americans to support their fellow countrymen by buying more expensive American made products? You can't. Everybody is looking out for themselves.
A few years back, my local KFC closed down. No problem, I'll just go to the KFC in the next suburb. That one was closed down too. Digging around on the internet, I found that KFC's were closing all across the country. Americans were going to cheaper chicken places, so KFC moved much of their operations to China where they are doing very well. They don't even sell chicken there.
Nothing is sacred anymore including staples like KFC. We have become so consumed with cheaper prices that we even buy cheap food. People younger than me do't know what a real Big Mac tasted like, or a Burger King whopper for that matter. Through the years, these great sandwiches were cheapened because of consumer demand.
Our poor live better than many European working families. More amenities, larger homes, they eat better. When you reward failure and discourage success, don't be surprised when you have a nation of more irresponsible people.
sad thing is that study is true you are better off on welfare because I was watching the news and they telling about all these jobs these companies have but only pay about 9 to 11 dollars and they cant get anyone to fill but I can see why but to me the republican back when the controlled house wanted to turn the welfare program into subsidy program for Businesses so they could pay lower wages and why it became welfare for work because they would be entitled to Welfare plus wages.

Since: Aug 11

Santa Cruz, CA

#3108 Dec 8, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, a new study shows that if you are making the average median income, you are better off on welfare. What they found is that divided equally, various government goodies pay more than a working family brings in.
What's the point of working?
How do we convince Americans to support their fellow countrymen by buying more expensive American made products? You can't. Everybody is looking out for themselves.
A few years back, my local KFC closed down. No problem, I'll just go to the KFC in the next suburb. That one was closed down too. Digging around on the internet, I found that KFC's were closing all across the country. Americans were going to cheaper chicken places, so KFC moved much of their operations to China where they are doing very well. They don't even sell chicken there.
Nothing is sacred anymore including staples like KFC. We have become so consumed with cheaper prices that we even buy cheap food. People younger than me do't know what a real Big Mac tasted like, or a Burger King whopper for that matter. Through the years, these great sandwiches were cheapened because of consumer demand.
Our poor live better than many European working families. More amenities, larger homes, they eat better. When you reward failure and discourage success, don't be surprised when you have a nation of more irresponsible people.
No real argument here. Things change, but if we fail to look after our neighbors and support them, then we all go down. Do you remember when their used to be vibrant black communities across the country? They had their own stores, various businesses and night clubs with great music. The powers that be destroyed many of those communities tearing them apart in the quest for urban renewal and development. It also happened to other neighbor hoods which abandoned mom and pop stores for malls and big chain stores. What happened to all the great toys we once had? I remember the days of great electric train layouts, beautiful dolls, and doll cribs. Nice die cast cars and trucks. Hand made doll houses and toy cowboys. Now what do kids have? A bunch of ugly plastic crap from China. We reap what we sow. We need good jobs here at home. It was once said that if one wants to be rich, then it is important to make another wealthy. The whole idea of penny pinching off the economy is pound wise and penny foolish. If you want the economy to grow, go out and spend your money.

Since: Aug 11

Santa Cruz, CA

#3109 Dec 8, 2012
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>Right, and why the US has a Federal Deficit Problem and why the Federal Government has had to keep borrowing to pay the bills because the US dont create use value item to sell to world anymore and the monetary value the US once created is being produced and being kept offshore in countries like China.
True enough. OTOH some things which have great value are not tangible. Knowledge, information and creative ideas are such intangible items often greatly valued. I believe a mix is best. Suppose we run a company which employs people. We get a competitive advantage by outsourcing our manufacturing so we close our domestic production. Our competitors do likewise. We make a killing short-term. Long-term we lose. The country's tax base shrinks as do the number of consumers available to purchase our products. Henry Ford realized this and paid his employees enough so they could purchase the products they were making. We need to go back to Henry Ford's idea if we are to succeed. I have two old audio amps I use for music. They both say "Made in USA." Try to find one made here today.

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#3110 Dec 8, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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Geeze you're a windbag. Don't you have the ability to put your thoughts in a few sentences rather than several paragraphs? Barely enough room to respond.
God does not want me to praise DumBama--you do. As you said, he gave us intelligence. There is only one leader God wants us to follow, and that's him.
What DumBama is doing is moving us towards Socialism, or as close as he can get us. That's not moving forward, that's moving in an entirely different direction--closer to Communism. DumBama won't read letters from real Americans. The only letters he reads are the ones that praise him.
While no Romney fan, I can say that he is a descent human being. You can't say that about DumBama. His past is loaded with shady relationships with lowlifes and criminals. Yes, I embellish freedom which is why I hate DumBama. He has forced us into a healthcare system the majority of us don'e want. He has closed industries such as tobacco shops, energy plants, and even tried to have his minions close down Boeing along with Gibson guitars. That's not freedom. That's dictatorship.
Come on XX. You are calling someone else a 'Windbag?'
Please stop saying 'descent, when I think you mean decent'
I agree though, Rmoney is a 'Descent' human, actually Robot.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#3111 Dec 8, 2012
WasteWater wrote:
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True enough. OTOH some things which have great value are not tangible. Knowledge, information and creative ideas are such intangible items often greatly valued. I believe a mix is best. Suppose we run a company which employs people. We get a competitive advantage by outsourcing our manufacturing so we close our domestic production. Our competitors do likewise. We make a killing short-term. Long-term we lose. The country's tax base shrinks as do the number of consumers available to purchase our products. Henry Ford realized this and paid his employees enough so they could purchase the products they were making. We need to go back to Henry Ford's idea if we are to succeed. I have two old audio amps I use for music. They both say "Made in USA." Try to find one made here today.
exactly, Henry Ford understood Economics very well that he had to pay enough so his workers could afford to buy his product and realized its just a food chain that makes a complete cycle.

Since: Aug 11

Santa Cruz, CA

#3112 Dec 8, 2012
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>exactly, Henry Ford understood Economics very well that he had to pay enough so his workers could afford to buy his product and realized its just a food chain that makes a complete cycle.
Exactly. I grew up around unions. At one point I realized that the American Unions were a necessary part of the capitalist system. Like you just pointed out, it makes a complete cycle. People were paid well, they spent money which built their communities and everyone was paying taxes and consuming products. Some were making enough to put money in mutual funds, retirement plans and direct investments. Economies generally grew over time as the standard of living went up. Buying American works until you are just buying an empty label put on something which is made overseas. Buying American puts your neighbors to work so they can get off food stamps and pay taxes. I would like to see a real TEA party dump those containers of Chinese made crap into the deep seas and demand real American made products again.

Since: Aug 11

Santa Cruz, CA

#3113 Dec 8, 2012
I am a dreamer also.

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