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“Rico's Are Everywhere”

Since: Dec 09

Gangland, North America

#99742 Feb 4, 2013
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>If the Federal government fails to stop the flow of illegal aliens, then it becomes the responsibility of each state to assist.
Illegal aliens by definition haven't any rights for due process under the Constitution, since they have violated all treaties that the US and their country of origin have agreed on.
Each State can detain and deport all illegal aliens without due process, it is the inherant right of each state to protect its citizens.
Good grief... you're the embodiment of ignorance.

False Claim: Undocumented immigrants have no legal rights.

Truth: Undocumented immigrants DO have legal rights under the U.S. Constitution, as well as many federal statutes. As far back as 1896, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that:

Wong Wing v. U.S., 163 U.S. 228 (1896) The 14th Amendment to the Constitution is not confined to the protection of citizens.

Detention or temporary confinement, as part of the means necessary to give effect to the exclusion or expulsion of Chinese aliens is valid.

The United States can forbid aliens from coming within their borders, and expel them from their territory, and can devolve the power and duty of identifying and arresting such persons upon executive or subordinate officials, but when Congress sees fit to further promote such a policy by subjecting the persons of such aliens to infamous punishment at hard labor, or by confiscating their property, such legislation, to be valid, must provide for a judicial trial to establish the guilt of the accused.

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"The fourteenth amendment to the constitution is not confined to the protection of citizens. It says:'Nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the law.' These provisions are universal in their application to all persons within the territorial jurisdiction, without regard to any differences of race, of color, or nationality; and the equal protection of the laws is a pledge of the protection of equal laws."

All persons in the U.S., therefore, have constitutional rights. Among these are the right to equal protection of the law and the right to due process.

Also, undocumented persons have a constitutional right under the Fourth Amendment to deny any officer from entering their residence without consent, absent a search warrant.

Further, ALL CHILDREN, regardless of their immigration status, are entitled to free public education, as required under the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Plyer v. Doe 457 U.S. 202 (1982)

Additionally, under federal law publicly funded hospitals must provide emergency medical services to all patients, regardless of their immigration status. Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act of 1986 (EMTALA)

Moreover, under federal law, a person may recover money damages for loss of property, personal injury or death where damages occurred as a result of the "negligent or wrongful act or omission of any employee of the Government while acting within the scope of his office or employment, under circumstances where the United States, if a private person, would be liable to the claimant in accordance with the law of the place where the act or omission occurred."

These are just a few of the rights that our constitution and federal laws grant to all persons living in the U.S. These rights are intended to protect all U.S. residents from discrimination and arbitrary government action. These rights are especially critical in times where hatred based on race, color, and national origin is on the rise.

“Work hard at work worth doing.”

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#99743 Feb 4, 2013
X -Man- wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you sure about that? I've had a gun pulled on me more than once in my life time, once, for over thirty minutes an individual sadistically held a 45 to my stomach and a nine millimeter to my head and terrorized me until he got his sadistic fill. It was terrifying and while I didn't "pi**" my pants, I did think of my family and what they would do without me, what they would think the next morning getting the news that someone had taken my life the night before.
Many of you keyboard commandos that come on here talking tough to us have no clue to some of the things some of us have been through.
Wow, I second that emotion!

“Rico's Are Everywhere”

Since: Dec 09

Gangland, North America

#99744 Feb 4, 2013
Jaxxon wrote:
<quoted text>
You're another one that sees everything that's wrong with what you consider the "other side", but lack the courage to confront anyone on your own side of an issue when they post vile, slanderous or threatening material.
No credibility at all.
Is he the one that claimed he'd run away from the USA when whites are no longer the majority or something about being a part time patriot?
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#99745 Feb 4, 2013
Jaxxon wrote:
<quoted text>
You talk a good game, but you're wrong.
For a start, no state has any legal right to deport anybody and we don't do anything in this country without at lest some semblance of due process regardless of the status of the individuals) involved.
Now that I know what you're talking about why don't you look some of this up before you waste anymore of my time.
It is the right of the state to protect its citizens when the Federal Government refuses/can't to do so.
jackson

Lexington, KY

#99746 Feb 4, 2013
Jaxxon wrote:
<quoted text>
"My "high horse" is directed at those who call others names simply because they disagree with them"
No it's not.
You are always complaining about something someone said, but funny thing is it's always something someone on the left has said.
Your always commenting on posts and telling us how you never read these kinds of posts too.
I've yet to see you post a single word about what comes from the foul mouthed vulgar trolls on the right which is starting to make me just a little suspicious about your motives and just how unbiased you actually are.
I apologize -- I do include everyone in my message, but don't always specifically criticize the guilty posters from the right. Typically, I don't read their posts, either.
Yet you call them "foul mouthed vulgar trolls" -- do you say that about any of those "foul mouthed vulgar trolls" from the left? I thought not.
My words, regardless, fall on deaf ears. No one has changed their behavior because of my position. No one else seems to care what they say to or about anyone else. If no one else cares, then I don't care either - to the point that I give up.
I'm done. You win.
I'll keep trying to set a good example with the way I live my life, but leave you all to your playground nastiness.
jackson

Lexington, KY

#99747 Feb 4, 2013
Rico from East Los II wrote:
<quoted text>
Is he the one that claimed he'd run away from the USA when whites are no longer the majority or something about being a part time patriot?
One last word -- "he" is not that person. No. I love my country and believe it is still the best country in the world.

“Rico's Are Everywhere”

Since: Dec 09

Gangland, North America

#99748 Feb 4, 2013
X -Man- wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you sure about that? I've had a gun pulled on me more than once in my life time, once, for over thirty minutes an individual sadistically held a 45 to my stomach and a nine millimeter to my head and terrorized me until he got his sadistic fill. It was terrifying and while I didn't "pi**" my pants, I did think of my family and what they would do without me, what they would think the next morning getting the news that someone had taken my life the night before.
Many of you keyboard commandos that come on here talking tough to us have no clue to some of the things some of us have been through.
Many of these keyboard commandos are the ones who pizz in their pants when they see their own shadows.

“Gloria Ad Caput Venire”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#99749 Feb 4, 2013
X -Man- wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you sure about that? I've had a gun pulled on me more than once in my life time, once, for over thirty minutes an individual sadistically held a 45 to my stomach and a nine millimeter to my head and terrorized me until he got his sadistic fill. It was terrifying and while I didn't "pi**" my pants, I did think of my family and what they would do without me, what they would think the next morning getting the news that someone had taken my life the night before.
Many of you keyboard commandos that come on here talking tough to us have no clue to some of the things some of us have been through.
"Many of you keyboard commandos that come on here talking tough to us have no clue to some of the things some of us have been through." This is very true.

“Rico's Are Everywhere”

Since: Dec 09

Gangland, North America

#99750 Feb 4, 2013
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>It is the right of the state to protect its citizens when the Federal Government refuses/can't to do so.
First of all, you're a fool to rely on any government to protect you. SCOTUS has ruled that government is under no obligation to protect you.

Warren v. District of Columbia[1](444 A.2d. 1, D.C. Ct. of Ap. 1981)
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#99751 Feb 4, 2013
Rico from East Los II wrote:
<quoted text>
Good grief... you're the embodiment of ignorance.
False Claim: Undocumented immigrants have no legal rights.
Truth: Undocumented immigrants DO have legal rights under the U.S. Constitution, as well as many federal statutes. As far back as 1896, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that:
Wong Wing v. U.S., 163 U.S. 228 (1896) The 14th Amendment to the Constitution is not confined to the protection of citizens.
Detention or temporary confinement, as part of the means necessary to give effect to the exclusion or expulsion of Chinese aliens is valid.
The United States can forbid aliens from coming within their borders, and expel them from their territory, and can devolve the power and duty of identifying and arresting such persons upon executive or subordinate officials, but when Congress sees fit to further promote such a policy by subjecting the persons of such aliens to infamous punishment at hard labor, or by confiscating their property, such legislation, to be valid, must provide for a judicial trial to establish the guilt of the accused.
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"The fourteenth amendment to the constitution is not confined to the protection of citizens. It says:'Nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the law.' These provisions are universal in their application to all persons within the territorial jurisdiction, without regard to any differences of race, of color, or nationality; and the equal protection of the laws is a pledge of the protection of equal laws."
All persons in the U.S., therefore, have constitutional rights. Among these are the right to equal protection of the law and the right to due process.
Also, undocumented persons have a constitutional right under the Fourth Amendment to deny any officer from entering their residence without consent, absent a search warrant.
Further, ALL CHILDREN, regardless of their immigration status, are entitled to free public education, as required under the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Plyer v. Doe 457 U.S. 202 (1982)
Additionally, under federal law publicly funded hospitals must provide emergency medical services to all patients, regardless of their immigration status. Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act of 1986 (EMTALA)
Moreover, under federal law, a person may recover money damages for loss of property, personal injury or death where damages occurred as a result of the "negligent or wrongful act or omission of any employee of the Government while acting within the scope of his office or employment, under circumstances where the United States, if a private person, would be liable to the claimant in accordance with the law of the place where the act or omission occurred."
These are just a few of the rights that our constitution and federal laws grant to all persons living in the U.S. These rights are intended to protect all U.S. residents from discrimination and arbitrary government action. These rights are especially critical in times where hatred based on race, color, and national origin is on the rise.
The only protection an alien receives while in the US is that which is granted by reciprocal treaties between the US and the aliens country of origin. Illegal aliens violate these treaties and therefore are not eligible for due process.

The US Constitution has plainly stated that it is for citizens only, "We The People" does not mean we the aliens. At no time in the history of the US have aliens been "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", which means the US Constitution, this is only a right that a citizen can enjoy. If you don't beleive me read the first sentence of the 14th amendment

“Gloria Ad Caput Venire”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#99752 Feb 4, 2013
Jaxxon wrote:
<quoted text>
You're another one that sees everything that's wrong with what you consider the "other side", but lack the courage to confront anyone on your own side of an issue when they post vile, slanderous or threatening material.
No credibility at all.
Your problem is that I have no "side". I don't speak for anyone else here. I am not concerned with what others here post enough to worry about confronting and your paws aren't so clean here anyway enough to even talk about vile, slanderous or threatening material. So don't come across with that goody two shoes crap to me until you practice cleaning up your act, Jaxxon.

“Rico's Are Everywhere”

Since: Dec 09

Gangland, North America

#99753 Feb 4, 2013
Jaxxon wrote:
<quoted text>
You talk a good game, but you're wrong.
For a start, no state has any legal right to deport anybody and we don't do anything in this country without at lest some semblance of due process regardless of the status of the individuals) involved.
Now that I know what you're talking about why don't you look some of this up before you waste anymore of my time.
You're 100% correct.

1875: Supreme Court declared that regulation of US immigration is the responsibility of the Federal Government.

Chy Lung v. Freeman, 92 U.S. 275 (1875)
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#99754 Feb 4, 2013
Rico from East Los II wrote:
<quoted text>
First of all, you're a fool to rely on any government to protect you. SCOTUS has ruled that government is under no obligation to protect you.
Warren v. District of Columbia[1](444 A.2d. 1, D.C. Ct. of Ap. 1981)
I think that makes my case!

“Gloria Ad Caput Venire”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#99755 Feb 4, 2013
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>Well, then, may I suggest that you post like you have a social conscience?
Anytime anybody suggests that corporatists are abusing the American labor force for greed, you pretend that those who see this and resent it are "commies" or "socialists" or some other label you have deemed to be unAmerican. The reality is many of those you view as libs have much more interest than many on your "side" in seeing that we ALL don't fall off the cliff and into a black hole leaving only the real users standing - power brokers who never seem to get enough.
Perhaps then you should ask everybody to get in lockstep behind you here, huh? Your "side" is just as much to blame and I can point out the same violations of YOUR code of conduct from them to include you too.

“Je Suis Charlie”

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#99756 Feb 4, 2013
jackson wrote:
<quoted text>
I apologize -- I do include everyone in my message, but don't always specifically criticize the guilty posters from the right. Typically, I don't read their posts, either.
Yet you call them "foul mouthed vulgar trolls" -- do you say that about any of those "foul mouthed vulgar trolls" from the left? I thought not.
My words, regardless, fall on deaf ears. No one has changed their behavior because of my position. No one else seems to care what they say to or about anyone else. If no one else cares, then I don't care either - to the point that I give up.
I'm done. You win.
I'll keep trying to set a good example with the way I live my life, but leave you all to your playground nastiness.
"...do you say that about any of those "foul mouthed vulgar trolls" from the left? I thought not."

Well jackson, you thought wrong.

I've been just as quick to say something when I thought someone I get along with went to far as I have the other way around.

I don't spend my time whining every time somebody gets called a name, or every time somebody says something rude, but there are limits and everyone here knows I won't hesitate to speak up when I think I need to no matter who it is I think needs to be called out.

Would you like to ask anymore questions or are we through here?

“Je Suis Charlie”

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#99757 Feb 4, 2013
positronium wrote:
<quoted text>Your problem is that I have no "side". I don't speak for anyone else here. I am not concerned with what others here post enough to worry about confronting and your paws aren't so clean here anyway enough to even talk about vile, slanderous or threatening material. So don't come across with that goody two shoes crap to me until you practice cleaning up your act, Jaxxon.
I give what I get boom boy.

You might want to keep that in mind.

“Gloria Ad Caput Venire”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#99758 Feb 4, 2013
Rico from East Los II wrote:
<quoted text>
Is he the one that claimed he'd run away from the USA when whites are no longer the majority or something about being a part time patriot?
That is my business and you are using that to attack me. It is also off topic and only being used by you to inflict ridicule and a direct violation of the code that ntr wants me to follow.

“Je Suis Charlie”

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#99759 Feb 4, 2013
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>The only protection an alien receives while in the US is that which is granted by reciprocal treaties between the US and the aliens country of origin. Illegal aliens violate these treaties and therefore are not eligible for due process.
The US Constitution has plainly stated that it is for citizens only, "We The People" does not mean we the aliens. At no time in the history of the US have aliens been "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", which means the US Constitution, this is only a right that a citizen can enjoy. If you don't beleive me read the first sentence of the 14th amendment
Once again, a lot of talk just to be completely wrong.

Anyone in this country under any circumstances has certain legal rights and protections.

This isn't a difference of opinion.

You're just wrong.

“Je Suis Charlie”

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#99760 Feb 4, 2013
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>It is the right of the state to protect its citizens when the Federal Government refuses/can't to do so.
It might surprise you to find out that I support some of the immigration enforcement measures certain states have passed including the one I live in, but that's not the issue here.

The issue here is that you continue to make proclamations that are at odds with established legal precedent which means (my ill informed friend) you are wrong.

T

“Je Suis Charlie”

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#99761 Feb 4, 2013
positronium wrote:
<quoted text>That is my business and you are using that to attack me. It is also off topic and only being used by you to inflict ridicule and a direct violation of the code that ntr wants me to follow.
There are years of posts that provide more than ample reason to ridicule you for what you have said.

Quit trying to hide behind NTR and be a man about it.

You've been pretending to be one long enough.

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