McCain's Vietnam War Record Under Attack

McCain's Vietnam War Record Under Attack

There are 1853 comments on the KLOU-FM Saint Louis story from Jun 30, 2008, titled McCain's Vietnam War Record Under Attack. In it, KLOU-FM Saint Louis reports that:

Left- and right-wing political commentators are tackling a subject moderate Democrats and Republicans won't touch: U.S. Sen.

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ONCE A DEMOCRAT

United States

#47 Jul 1, 2008
Correction, "WHITE" peoples Greed!!!!!!!!!!
and the book goes on and on!!!!!!!!!!
No to Hussein
Vote for McCain!!!!
anecdotal evidence

Noblesville, IN

#48 Jul 1, 2008
I am ashamed that I dignify this subhuman grunt with comment but..."no greater love has someone than to lay down his life for another". Ultimate love, acted out by McCain for his fellow citizens, speaks for itself.

He risked his life for this country. His critics, who always scratch their crotches when the speak, can never take away what McCain has done. So HISS ON snakes of the coward, unchristian left.
JAMES ECUADOR

Quito, Ecuador

#49 Jul 1, 2008
Eyes wide open wrote:
I read an artical that Obama is "gay". They have a film of him in a mans bathroom to be released before the election. "now see people, anyone can make up lies. Please stick to facts, and not stories from some far left blog or paper". McCain fought with honour, and served his country in the military. But granted, Obama did serve doughnuts while organising communitys, so they are about equal.
And gave up the secret donut recipe in the kitchen when they threatenen to lock him in the closet. Scarey huh.
JAMES ECUADOR

Quito, Ecuador

#50 Jul 1, 2008
Stuipd Citizens wrote:
<quoted text>
Yea that is ludicrous b/c McCain won't let his war record be revealed. DID ANY OF YOU PEOPLE ACTUALLY SEE THIS INTERVEIW B/C I DID! I'm not going off some new's spend that only showed part of it. But regardless Clark did tell the truth. HE IS A REAL 4 STAR GENERAL, Clark didn't spontaneously come out with the "shot down" remark. Rather, Bob Schieffer posed the non-sequitur about Obama's lack of qualifications by saying that he had not been shot down in a fighter plane. Clark just pointed out the obvious - getting shot down while in a fighter plane is not a qualification for being president. The idea that Clark is belitting McCain's military service is completely ridiculous. Clark went to great lengths to praise McCain's service. He just said that this service did not entail experience which would necessarily help him in his executive capacity as commander-in-chief. Clark has the exact experience which he says McCain lacks. The four star general honored McCain's service to this country, but raised fair questions over whether being shot down in a plane makes him ready to serve as commander in chief, while pointing to serious matters of concern that Clark sees as critical:
These are fair points to discuss. The fact that McCain chooses to respond by hiding behind a swiftboat is REALLY frightening. How could anyone know for sure? McCain won't allow access to most of his military records. Wonder what he's afraid of?
So where was the wonderful patriotic Prince Obama when many other young underpriveged men stepped up for military service? I would say that was the last thing he had interest in. Wonder what he was afraid of.
QUESTION

Los Angeles, CA

#51 Jul 1, 2008
MANY DOCTORS ARE WILLING TO SERVE, BUT ARE THEY QUALIFIED TO DO THE JOB? SHOULD JOHN MCCAIN HAVE SERVED IN A DIFFERENT POSITION?
William K wrote:
At least McCain served and was willing to risk his life for his country..
JUDGMENT AND ABILITY TO FLY U.S. NAVY:
JOHN MCCAIN MANY U. S. NAVAL AIRCRAFT CRASH WILL HELP DEFINE IF HE'S READY TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. ONE CAN LEARN ABOUT HIS JUDGMENT SKILLS, PLANNING SKILLS, AND MANY OTHER THINGS. THE U.S. NAVY PROGRAM IS DESIRED BY MANY, HOWEVER, FEW ARE CHOSE. YOUR ABILITIES ARE TESTED, AND MANY ARE TAKEN OUT OF THE FLIGHT PROGAM AFTER THE FIRST AIRCRAFT CRASH. ONE WOULD HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME IN THE PROGRAM WITH LOW GRADES. SOME OF THE BEST STUDENTS IN THE WORLD ARE REJECTED AND THIS IS TO THEIR ADVANTAGE. BEING ACCEPTED AND NOT QUALIFIED WILL KILL MANY. THE FIRST, AND SECOND AIRCRAFT CRASH IS NOT GOOD FOR MOST NAVAL OFFICERS.
QUESTION

Goleta, CA

#52 Jul 1, 2008
THIS IS ABOUT JUDGMENT, SKILLS, GRADES, ABILITIES, DECISION MAKING AND MUCH MORE.
JAMES ECUADOR wrote:
<quoted text>So where was the wonderful patriotic Prince Obama when many other young underpriveged men stepped up for military service? I would say that was the last thing he had interest in. Wonder what he was afraid of.
SKILLS, GRADES AND JUDGMENT CALL:
Did John McCain have the grades to enter the flight program?
Was John McCain selected in the flight program because he attended the NAVAL ACADEMY?

SKILLS, GRADES, AND JUDGMENT CALL:
After John McCain first U. S. Naval aircraft crash why did McCain stayin the U. S. Naval flight Program. Would John McCain have better served in a different Naval Program?

SKILLS, GRADES AND JUDGMENT CALL:

AFTER THE SECOND AND THIRD U. S. NAVAL AIRCRAFT CRASH MANY OTHER MIDDLE CLASS AMERICANS WOULD HAVE BEEN PLACED OUT OF THE U. S. NAVY.

MANY ENLISTED WHO SERVE ARE PLACED OUT OF THE NAVY FOR LESS REASONS, WHY NOT JOHN MCCAIN?

In battle each position in the U. S. Navy is important.
America know John McCain served, But, what about John McCain judgment?
QUESTION

Goleta, CA

#53 Jul 1, 2008
THE U. S. NAVY DO NOT WANT ANYONE TO RISK THEIR LIFE OR OTHERS.
THE U. S. NAVY DO NOT WANT ANYONE TO RISK THE MISSION.
SOMETIME ONLY 2 OUT OF 30 OFFICERS GET SELECTED FOR THE NAVAL JET PORGAM. YOUR GRADES HAVE TO BE EXCELLENT IN ORDER TO STAY IN THE FLIGHT PROGRAM. DID JOHN MCCAIN CRASH A U. S. NAVAL AIRCRAFT WHILE IN TRAINING? SHOULD JOHN MCCAIN HAVE SELECTED A DIFFERENT PROGAM? LOVE FOR A FELLOW CITIZEN WILL NOT GET ONE IN THE FLIGHT PROGAM OR THE U. S. NAVY. HOWEVER, IT'S A START. ONE HAVE TO TAKE THE TEST.
anecdotal evidence wrote:
I am ashamed that I dignify this subhuman grunt with comment but..."no greater love has someone than to lay down his life for another". Ultimate love, acted out by McCain for his fellow citizens, speaks for itself.
He risked his life for this country. His critics, who always scratch their crotches when the speak, can never take away what McCain has done. So HISS ON snakes of the coward, unchristian left.
DID JOHN MCCAIN RISK HIS LIFE IN FLIGHT TRAINING?
A MILITARY OFFICE GRADES, SKILLS AND ABILITY TO PERFORM CORRECTLY COME BEFORE HONOR. THE ABILITY TO SAVE A LIFE!

“I know right from wrong!”

Since: Feb 08

United States

#54 Jul 1, 2008
Well said johanson, especially the last sentence! I wish my vote would make a difference, and if any of think yours will, well then read the previous messages last sentence again! Say it out loud to yourself while looking in the mirror. Of course that is if you can remove your head from your anal orifice long enough! I get sick of all the bashing on both sides! SHEEP!!!! THERE WILL BE NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGE REGARDLESS OF WHO IS ELECTED!
minor threat

Tallahassee, FL

#55 Jul 1, 2008
well his kids wouldnt be any different from W's or the Republican chickenhawks like Limbaugh, OReilly, Lott, etc. Theyre the first to call for war and never go. When you compare Democrat and Republican service records, it isnt even close.
William K wrote:
At least McCain served and was willing to risk his life for his country. What has Obama done, well besides preach "change"?
I think they need to attack McCain on other issues. They have plenty to choose from.
No matter what you think of McCain he was willing to serve and Obama wasn't, anyone who did deservers more respect than that.
I wonder if any of Obama's kids will serve, I will go out on a limb and say they wont.

Since: Jul 07

United States

#56 Jul 1, 2008
minor threat wrote:
well his kids wouldnt be any different from W's or the Republican chickenhawks like Limbaugh, OReilly, Lott, etc. Theyre the first to call for war and never go. When you compare Democrat and Republican service records, it isnt even close.<quoted text>
Obviously never in the service.

“Truth to Power!”

Since: Apr 07

Raleigh, NC

#57 Jul 1, 2008
Bwahahaha!
Under attack by who? Idiots?

With friends like this, Obama doesn't need enemies.

It only brings a glaring spotlight back to Obama and his anti-American teacher/adviser Rev Wright plus his not so proud wife.
johanson

Portland, OR

#58 Jul 1, 2008
Eyes wide open wrote:
<quoted text>
If you Obamabots hope to win this election with hated, and bile, you kinda screw up the whole "hope and change" line. King Obama comands you to "go under the bus"! Now take your dive!
Obamabots; I like that!
Speeders are Murderers

Roy, WA

#59 Jul 1, 2008
How can a navy pilot lose FIVE planes and not be held accountable?? It helps if your daddy and granddaddy are admirals.
anecdotal evidence

Noblesville, IN

#60 Jul 1, 2008
QUESTION wrote:
THE U. S. NAVY DO NOT WANT ANYONE TO RISK THEIR LIFE OR OTHERS.
THE U. S. NAVY DO NOT WANT ANYONE TO RISK THE MISSION.
SOMETIME ONLY 2 OUT OF 30 OFFICERS GET SELECTED FOR THE NAVAL JET PORGAM. YOUR GRADES HAVE TO BE EXCELLENT IN ORDER TO STAY IN THE FLIGHT PROGRAM. DID JOHN MCCAIN CRASH A U. S. NAVAL AIRCRAFT WHILE IN TRAINING? SHOULD JOHN MCCAIN HAVE SELECTED A DIFFERENT PROGAM? LOVE FOR A FELLOW CITIZEN WILL NOT GET ONE IN THE FLIGHT PROGAM OR THE U. S. NAVY. HOWEVER, IT'S A START. ONE HAVE TO TAKE THE TEST.
<quoted text>
DID JOHN MCCAIN RISK HIS LIFE IN FLIGHT TRAINING?
A MILITARY OFFICE GRADES, SKILLS AND ABILITY TO PERFORM CORRECTLY COME BEFORE HONOR. THE ABILITY TO SAVE A LIFE!
Don't take this personally but...what a bunch of stupid gibberish!
Doublegrapes

Philadelphia, PA

#62 Jul 1, 2008
Obama was 10 years old when The Viet Nam War was winding down. How many 10 years olds join the military? Obama could have gone to Wall Street after finishing Harvard Law, but chose to go help people in inner city Chicago. Obama then became a an Illinois State Senator for 10 years before becoming a US Senator.

I served in the US Military, it doesn't mean that I should be The President of the United States.
William K wrote:
At least McCain served and was willing to risk his life for his country. What has Obama done, well besides preach "change"?
I think they need to attack McCain on other issues. They have plenty to choose from.
No matter what you think of McCain he was willing to serve and Obama wasn't, anyone who did deservers more respect than that.
I wonder if any of Obama's kids will serve, I will go out on a limb and say they wont.
QUESTION

Goleta, CA

#63 Jul 1, 2008
McCain lost five U.S. Navy aircraft.
Navy pilot John Sidney McCain III should have never been allowed to graduate from the U.S. Navy flight school. He was a below average student and a lousy pilot. Had his father and grandfather not been famous four star U.S. Navy admirals, McCain III would have never been allowed in the cockpit of a military aircraft.
During his relative short stunt on flight status, McCain III lost five U.S. Navy aircraft, four in accidents and one in combat.
Robert Timberg, author of The Nightingale's Song, a book about Annapolis graduates and their tours in Vietnam, wrote that McCain "learned to fly at Pensacola, though his performance was below par, at best good enough to get by. He liked flying, but didn't love it."
McCain III lost jet number one in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus Christi Bay while practicing landings. He was knocked unconscious by the impact coming to as the plane settled to the bottom.
McCain's second crash occurred while he was deployed in the Mediterranean. "Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula," Timberg wrote, "he took out some power lines [reminiscent of the 1998 incident in which a Marine Corps jet sliced through the cables of a gondola at an Italian ski resort, killing 20] which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the son of an admiral."
McCain's third crash three occurred when he was returning from flying a Navy trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game.
Timberg reported that McCain radioed, "I've got a flameout" and went through standard relight procedures three times before ejecting at one thousand feet. McCain landed on a deserted beach moments before the plane slammed into a clump of trees.
McCain's fourth aircraft loss occurred July 29, 1967, soon after he was assigned to the USS Forrestal as an A-4 Skyhawk pilot. While seated in the cockpit of his aircraft waiting his turn for takeoff, an accidently fired rocket slammed into McCain's plane. He escaped from the burning aircraft, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors, destroyed at least 20 aircraft, and threatened to sink the ship.
McCain's fifth loss happened during his 23rd mission over North Vietnam on Oct. 26, 1967, when McCain's A-4 Skyhawk was shot down by a surface-to-air missile. McCain ejected from the plane breaking both arms and a leg in the process and subsequently parachuted into Truc Bach Lake near Hanoi.
For 23 combat missions (an estimated 20 hours over enemy territory), the U.S. Navy awarded McCain a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a dozen service medals.
"McCain had roughly 20 hours in combat," explains Bill Bell, a veteran of Vietnam and former chief of the U.S. Office for POW/MIA Affairs -- the first official U.S. representative in Vietnam since the 1973 fall of Saigon. "Since McCain got 28 medals," Bell continues, "that equals out to about a medal-and-a-half for each hour he spent in combat. There were infantry guys -- grunts on the ground -- who had more than 7,000 hours in combat and I can tell you that there were times and situations where I'm sure a prison cell would have looked pretty good to them by comparison. The question really is how many guys got that number of medals for not being shot down."
For years, McCain has been an unchecked master at manipulating an overly friendly and biased news media. The former POW turned Congressman, turned U.S. Senator, has managed to gloss over his failures as a pilot and collaborations with the enemy by exaggerating his military service and lying about his feats of heroism.
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.c...
CRSA

Québec, Canada

#64 Jul 1, 2008
Doublegrapes wrote:
Obama was 10 years old when The Viet Nam War was winding down. How many 10 years olds join the military? Obama could have gone to Wall Street after finishing Harvard Law, but chose to go help people in inner city Chicago. Obama then became a an Illinois State Senator for 10 years before becoming a US Senator.
I served in the US Military, it doesn't mean that I should be The President of the United States.
<quoted text>
McCain has a plan, Obama doesn't. McCain has challenged your god Obama to 10 different debates. Obama refused and only agreed to 1 debate, on July 4th 2008. Why? Because he doesn't know anything and has no concrete plan to debate on. He's a fake. You can argue against McCain all you want and the reason for this is that he actually has a platform to argue against. Don't expect so much from Obama.
QUESTION

Goleta, CA

#65 Jul 1, 2008
WHY WAS JOHN MCCAIN ALLOWED TO FLY U.S. NAVAL JET WITH HIS LOW GRADES?
DID JOHN MCCAIN HAVE A PROBLEM WITH LANDING A U. S. NAVAL AIRCRAFT?
TOP GRADES, JUDGMENT, ABILITY, SKILLS, DECISION MAKING, AND MUCH MORE ARE NEED TO FLY U. S. NAVAL JETS!
WHAT YEAR DID MCCAIN LEAVE PENSACOLA BASIC T-28 AND TT-33 FLIGHT TRAINING.
WHAT WAS MCCAIN GRADES?
WHAT YEAR DID MCCAIN ENTER AND FINISH JET TRAINING?
WHAT YERA DID MCCAIN ENTER THE U.S. NAVY FLEET.
WHAT WAS MCCAIN JOB BEFORE THE VIETNAM WAR?
WHAT WAS MCCAIN DUTY AFTER THE VIETNAM WAR?
TO FLY NAVAL JETS YOU MUST BE THE BEST!
TO GET ACCEPTED IN THE NAVAL JET PROGAM YOU MUST BE IN THE TOP OF YOUR CLASS.
WHY DID JOHN MCCAIN FLY U.S. NAVAL JETS WITH HIS EXPERIENCE?
SHOULD MCCAIN HAVE CHANGED HIS NAVAL PROGRAM?
QUESTION

Goleta, CA

#66 Jul 1, 2008
IF YOU UNDERSTOOD THE U.S. NAVAL JET PROGRAM:
ONE WOULD QUESTION JOHN MCCAIN JUDGMENT.
ONE WOULD QUESTION JOHN MCCAIN ABILITY.
ONE WOULD QUESTION JOHN MCCAIN GRADES.
ONE WOULD QUESTION HOW DID JOHN MCCAIN GET INO THE PROGRAM WITH LOW GRADES.
ONE WOULD QUESTION HOW DID MCCAIN GET A FLEET SEAT?
ONE WOULD QUESTION WHY WAS MCCAIN IN THE VIETNAM WAR FLYING JETS?
WHY DIDN'T JOHN MCCAIN SELECT A DIFFERENT PROGRAM?
anecdotal evidence wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't take this personally but...what a bunch of stupid gibberish!
MANY AMERICANS SHOULD QUESTION JOHN MCCAIN JUDGMENT.
IS JOHN MCCAIN DECISION TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES GOOD JUDGMENT? MANY MIDDLE CLASS AMERICANS DIE IN THIS WAR.

Philo Beddo

“Partisan politics is cancer”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#67 Jul 1, 2008
JAMES ECUADOR wrote:
<quoted text>So where was the wonderful patriotic Prince Obama when many other young underpriveged men stepped up for military service? I would say that was the last thing he had interest in. Wonder what he was afraid of.
If you're talking about Vietnam, Obama was 10 years old. Not even your uber-macho chicken-hawk neo-con hypocrite politicians were lining up at the recruiter offices at age 10.

If you're talking about Iraq, Obama was in Washington voting AGAINST Bush's Iraq War measure and vehemently opposing the case because it was built on nothing but lies.

I suppose if Obama was a drunken cocaine addict who failed his flight exams and was stripped of his wings for refusing to take the mandatory drug tests in the National Guard, and then running away from the remainder of his obligation so he could go drink and snort and party some more ... or if he'd gone in the Navy and crashed FIVE jets and was written up on disciplinary charges more than four dozen times and then gave up military secrets in exchange for special treatment in Vietnam ... then you'd have much more respect for him, right?

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