Black and mad

[kes]

BLAME ON wrote:

<quoted text>I don't believe I said anything about POOR BLACKS.What I said was you ruin all neighborhoods and schools.It was you who added the poor to the mix.Poor white people stay in one area,section8 puts blacks in any neighborhood and there goes the whole aera,neighborhood,schools,stor es,ect...

and i dont personally ruin anything that is your take on it

[Blue in Baltimore]

Dawny2 wrote:

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Well, I am here now and if you don't like it leave. And, please remember, YOU started posting to me first. You were getting into MY business when I was correcting someone else who was also interfering in a conversation they knew nothing about. I asked you to "please" stay out of the conversation and let me handle my business and you said "NO WAY!" Remember that? So shut the hell up; and no, you don't mean anything to me. I only thought about you 1 time today---when I took out the trash. And, you still haven't answered my question, so don't even try to talk to me as if I'm the one with the intellectual deficiency. I didn't ask you for the numbers! I didn't dispute the numbers! I asked you to expound on the statistics---and you cannot do it. I have nothing further to say to you. I told you from the beginning to leave me alone. You are the one who chose not to respect my request. And, I don't hear any Black people saying that I'm bringing the post down. I don't care what you think.

When I first started posting on this forum, I was trying to be the voice of reason. I thought a lot of the comments were very racist and nasty.(Black and White) So when I read a couple of your posts and you were generalizing saying you whites this and you whites that, I immediately went into attack mode.
I am sorry for that. You unprovoked me and I was just looking for someone to go off on. I should have handled it better.

I'm not here to make friends but I certainly don't want to piss people off either. I want learn, educate and "enlighten" myself in a very inportant if not historical election year. Again, I am sorry.

[Blue in Baltimore]

Where did all these people from Baltimore come from??? Must be ducking from all the shootings going on. This city is going to hell in a handbasket.(I think that's what my mom used to say)

[Blake]

A lesson for some of you who insult the continent of Africa. Not that it won't fall on deaf ears. The overwhelming majority of Africas problems can be attributed to developed nations and their quests for Africa's natural resources. People don't know that Africa is the wealthiest continent in the world for natural resources. The problem is that large corporations from countries like ours and China connect with and empower corrupt leaders by making them so rich and powerful that the poor citizens can't possibly overthrow them. These leaders amass powerful militaries to counter any challengers that dare to oppose them. Meanwhile they are the sole profiteers of any valueable resources from which locals could ever hope to make a living from. Who do these corrupt governments sell these resources to? America, China, Germany, U.K. etc..... Get the picture? If this system of opression were not in place, these countries would not be able to purchase these resources so cheaply as they would actually have to pay these poor victims a fair wage. This practice has been going on in Africa for centuries as a result of early colonialism fallout. The fact that the continent is so unstable makes industry investment there unappealing along with the poor infrastructure and landlocked countries which makes shipping difficult.

I didn't read this stuff in a book. I was stationed in Djibouti near S.Africa and learned much about Africa's problems from a military setting. Yes there are some other problems that contribute to the situation such as drought, religious upheaval, and power struggles, but they are minute in comparison to outside influence of multi-national corps. I have seen some very negative comments posted on various sites about how Blacks can't even run a country, but the fact that if given an opportunity to succeed, they can go abroad and excel far beyond the native populations. In short, the reason for the state of Africa is the lack of hope and opportunity.

[Tom M]

Baltimore really isn't as dangerous as some people think it is. It used to be a lot worse. As someone said before on here, the article they've been discussing was created in a Baltimore paper. Normally, Baltimore doesn't have as many white people as those who have written on here, but the internet always has a way of making people more dry and white though.

Ducking from the shootings? Please. That city might be trashy, but it's not dangerous. Why don't you drive 1 1/2 hours north and go to West Philly. Tell me if number one or two comes first.

[White and Grumpy]

Saved by Grace wrote:

In reponse to this notorious comment made by White and Grumpy..."It's one thing to expect others to acknowledge facts about horrendous institutional practices and their impact, but you can't expect them to accept culpability for something that happened before they were born."
My rebuttal is that although you may not be responsible for what happened before you were born, you are certainly still reaping the benefits of this un-godly institution and one may wonder if God Himself is not white for not having judged you for not officially apologogizing and giving back what does not rightfully belong to you. Dictators, while forcing themselves upon others never come to terms with their own hostility. It is the devil who came to steal, kill and destroy. While supremist are always trying to convince the world that they deserve to rule, they refuse to see in themselves the very character of satan.

Wow, what exactly should I be "officially apologogizing" for, and what should I be "giving back what does not rightfully belong to" me?

And what do "Dictators", "the devil", "supremist", and "satan" have to do with me?

Personally, I never considered God to be of any one race, except maybe the human race, which is the only race that should matter.

[Tom M]

Dawny2 wrote:

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You're not Black. I don't believe it. That is some "fragglenaggle Bull!" But, just-in-case-you-are......Are you related to Clarence Thomas? No, need to respond, I am just in the mood to entertain the idiots on this thread for a minute. HAHAHA!!........

I've played losers at their own games too sometimes. It's fun for a little while, but gets annyoing? lol

Who cares if you're black though? Black people don't care for you anymore than white people care for me. The longer you go along, the more you'll realize how useless being black or white really is. If you think the poor pieces of human trash in Camden and West Philly like 20 minutes away from us see you differently than me, than you really should think a little harder.

[Tom M]

Dawny2 wrote:

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Oh, I'm sorry. I thought it was you. I'm glad it wasn't though. Thank you for clearing that up for me. I apologize.

It's okay. If I respond to your messages, I'll just do it with Tom M for now.

[Meridee]

The majority of problems can attributed to whites and Arabs who disrupted the socio-economic equilibrium we had. They tried to impose their way of thinking and doing things on us when we had are own traditional systems that worked just fine. They dived up tribes and families to fit into their respective colonies as they fought each other over our land. The chaos that you see today did not come from Africans

[Blake]

Tom M wrote:

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I've played losers at their own games too sometimes. It's fun for a little while, but gets annyoing? lol
Who cares if you're black though? Black people don't care for you anymore than white people care for me. The longer you go along, the more you'll realize how useless being black or white really is. If you think the poor pieces of human trash in Camden and West Philly like 20 minutes away from us see you differently than me, than you really should think a little harder.

That is very true.

[Tom H]

Tom M wrote:

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It's okay. If I respond to your messages, I'll just do it with Tom M for now.

HI there, how many Toms are there?

[Melo Da Snitch]

The Sunpaper doesn't want anyone to post comments on articles like 'Firm policing, fearless gang members clash in city'. The Sun protects criminals simply because they're BLACK and doesn't want to hear the truth about WHO creates 90% of the crime in Maryland.

[Melo Da Snitch]

Meridee wrote:

The majority of problems can attributed to whites and Arabs who disrupted the socio-economic equilibrium we had. They tried to impose their way of thinking and doing things on us when we had are own traditional systems that worked just fine. They dived up tribes and families to fit into their respective colonies as they fought each other over our land. The chaos that you see today did not come from Africans

Oh, I see, no surprise. The COMMROONITY still refuses to hold itself accountable for murdering people and committing crimes on a daily basis. It's all whitey's fault. This is a perfect example of THE COMMROONITY HOLDING ITSELF DOWN.

[Dude]

Kid Shaleen wrote:

I hate to have to keep bringing this up, but as a "whiteAmerican" I would say please fit in or please get out. Our nation has no room for your devisiveness. You are appointed to positions, that you may or may not desrve, you are given freebies because of your whining, you constantly vote for a party that has done nothing but use you for over 50 years, and you expect to be treated differently because of your heritage. This is America - a melting pot. If you can't fit in then please get out. Many other Americans who share your heritage have had to make the same choice. We all have, no matter where our forefathers came from. It is just that some groups, who have been just as persecuted, have made the transition in a much more orderly and mature manner without blaming others for their plight. Perhaps a good psychiatrist for group therapy....

My first question: Is America really a melting pot? My second question: So as the Hispanic population grows in this country and their culture and society continues to consume large portions of our country, what will you do when they ask you to fit in or get out? Will you learn Spanish?

[Cracker PLEASE]

Uh, it's 2008. Why insist on going back in time to blame someone for what is going to happen tomorrow. That logic is just a piss poor excuse for animalistic behavior.

[Dude]

Melo Da Snitch wrote:

The Sunpaper doesn't want anyone to post comments on articles like 'Firm policing, fearless gang members clash in city'. The Sun protects criminals simply because they're BLACK and doesn't want to hear the truth about WHO creates 90% of the crime in Maryland.

I think that is an over-simplification of why crime exists. I'm mean if you take all of the black people out of MD will crime simply go away? There are cities in this country where crimes are committed mostly by whites, would you say then that the cause of crime in these cities are because the criminals are white? Crime is taking place all throughout the world by people of all races for various some times complex reasons not simply because of their race.

[Blake]

Tom wrote:

By age 17, only about 1 in seventeen 17 year olds can read and gain information from specialized text, for example the science section in the local newspaper. This includes:
* 1 in 12 White 17 year olds,
* 1 in 50 Latino 17 year olds, and
* 1 in 100 African American 17 year olds.
Instead of providing insightful, well-researched coverage on national/international issues, the black press has reduced itself to a rag that gives headline coverage to anything that demonstrates violations against race or class. Because of this, it should not be a great mystery that members of the black press are not asked to participate on Sunday morning political talk shows.The black race has been dumbed down even more than it was in the past(If you can believe that}. Again you can thank you're own leaders for this direction.Is racsicm alive in America? Sure it is, both black and white. Most young whites are not taught to dislike blacks, Tho when these same children hear day after day how the poor blacks were treated and it's all the white mans fault they get sick of it. Agian will it ever change, only when the past is forgotton. Until then you will still be a "slave" to your past and it will be buisness as usaual..
You are right about one subject Dawany2, you guys have a long way to go, and I believe you are going down a dead end road..... Say Hi to Al Sharpton for me....

Tom is this an attempt to show Blacks at the bottom? If it is, I hope you realize factors like after school programs, tutors, the fact that over half of all Latinos drop out of school before they even reach the age of 17(so how can that be accurate?), more White kids come from college educated households etc.... I respect many of the things you say and for the most part I see you as fair and oh...by the way, this is joe. On another forum there was another joe so I used my middle name and it carried over to this one.

[joe]

Meridee wrote:

The majority of problems can attributed to whites and Arabs who disrupted the socio-economic equilibrium we had. They tried to impose their way of thinking and doing things on us when we had are own traditional systems that worked just fine. They dived up tribes and families to fit into their respective colonies as they fought each other over our land. The chaos that you see today did not come from Africans

I realize that this is the case in Eritrea, but some of your problems have to do with Ethiopia as well if I remember correctly. It seemed that many of the people in your coubtry looked Arab when I went there. It is a place that was once very beautiful with unique architecture.

[Tom M]

Dawny, well it's okay for us to disagree. I believe in loving one another too, but I just don't understand how you think that can bring real results. It's a great temporary option, but what's the solution for the long run? You can love a person for who it is they are, but you can't teach him how to have a work ethic. I'm sure you are well aware of this.

Also, before I go on in responding to your message, I don't see ''Latino'' as it's own categorization. Nonetheless is it not even an ethnicity, but it's just a geographical region. Any other garbage term like ''Hispanic'' isn't going either. Please don't racially categorize such a term along with whites, blacks and Asians like the typical imbecile in America would, because you are too intelligent for that.

I don't blame blacks for all of their problems either. I agree that from the beginning an even playing field didn't exist. You and I both know that if you have enough in you though, anyone is capable of assimilating and becoming self-sufficient. The problem is partly to blame on blacks. If people voluntarily get involved with drugs and get arrested, that's there fault. Not societies. Very rarely does someone get arrested who didn't do anything wrong. I will agree that blacks are definitely more targeted than non-blacks, but because of socioeconomical reasons, they are engaging in more criminal activity. When you're poor, you get more desperate. You don't raise your children the right way. Black parents are much to blame for the problems we see of inner-city black youth today. They don't provide good examples for their children.

I blame the government for providing people an easy way out. They don't motivate people. They tell people as long as they fit certain guidelines they can continue receive welfare, public housing and free food. That just isn't acceptable. That is not a version of loving someone. That's pandering. That's called segregating and isolating people, so the problem issue isn't being dealt with.

I surely can't paint someone the same way either. Everyone has their own individual situation. You can't argue with the fact that more individual stances in this country are less successful for blacks though. The question really is how do we fix that? Well, diminish the whole sociological collective blackness has to enter the equation. You have to understand, both yourself and I do not know what it means to be poor, so we can't really judge. Being black to yourself may be of some importance, but you know it has little to do with what ever it is your future finances.

For impoverished blacks, it does. By seeing other blacks who are failures, it gives them comfort in saying it's not your fault. In other words, no one may not want or be proud that it happened like that, but it's what they expected or think is normal. It's not normal though. It'd be like everyone taking a Math test and a lot of kid's doing horrible on it. Some kid's wouldn't feel so bad if other's didn't do well either, but would that matter the follow semester or a couple years from now? No. If the teacher were to curve that test and do it over and over, she'd be pandering the children into believing that it's okay if they don't do well, because there is always a less desirable back-up safety net. Well, you need to deplete that safety net to get people moving.

[Tom M]

(continued) I myself was born into a family with two loving parents, but they don't have college degrees. They've made there own living doing what it is they have to do. My father was a police officer and retired and now has a pension and does another job. My mother's a manager at a store. Both of them graduated from high school and have a few college credits, but not a whole lot from them can be passed onto why I want a college education. They want what is best for me, but I know what I want isn't what they had. I know other people have higher expectations of themselves because of the pressure of keeping up to their parents standards. My own personal standards is what drives me. Other people really should look to do the same.
Tools? There is enough out there to at least get people by. Listen, I've been through 4 high schools in 3 states. One thing I witnessed through all of them is as long as you attend, make a half-ass effort, attend class and aren't incredibly stupid, you can easily graduate. I sympathize no one who drops out, especially if they don't look to obtain a GED. You can bring the horse to the lake, but you can't make him drink. People need motivation. They aren't going to get it from hugs and kisses. That's not money. Those aren't real time decisions. They need to be told if you don't get your act together, we're taking your children. You'll be homeless. You won't eat. When they're told this, they'll progress.
A man who doesn't work isn't a man. A man who doesn't work doesn't deserve to survive if he has the physical capability of doing so. A man should be responsible for his actions. If you do drugs, get arrested, have no high school diploma and knocked up a couple girls, by that point in life, you'd be better off blowing out your own brains. The idea is to prevent someone from creating all those mistakes. Once someone destroys their life, they're limited. The problem is the parenting and influences. And if it requires the state to take the children away from non-working criminally involved parents, I'm for it. Those children may not receive the hugs and kisses and slaps and bruises they could have gotten from their parents, but they'd be assimilated into middle-class America.
You say you try to look at the big solution, but don't offer any proposals. You say we should love and show compassion to people who don't work, but what is the real decision on paper you'd make? That can only go so far and you know it. Do you slash welfare? Do you destroy the safety nets? Or do you tell people it's okay to be the way they are long enough to convince them that staying idle is acceptable? Please tell me what it is your provisionary plan or policies would actually be.