Atheists Attack: Billboards Hit Romney, Obama Beliefs

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Just as the city of Charlotte, N.C., gears up to host the Democratic National Convention, an atheist group is mounting a billboard campaign attacking the religious faiths of President Obama and GOP challenger Mitt Romney.

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Aug 24, 2012
 
Justfacts99 wrote:
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Probably hard for you to believe, but I lean more toward Libertarianism than anything, but your argument still is flawed. No where is anyone forcing a religious organization to buy contraception. Just because the pill is included, the individuals who are covered do not have to buy or use it. Who cares if the pill is part of the insurance?
The point of the is to decrease the cost of health care by covering more individuals. I have problems with government run anything, but who do you think pays for the uninsured when they go for care?
I am Libertarian and find it surprising that some one who leans Libertarian would support a federal control of healthcare. The ninth and tenth amendments leave the social issues to the states.

That is correct. It doesn't force religious organizations to provide contraception [directly]. It forces religious organizations to provide coverage that does include contraception. A religion is paying for something that goes against their beliefs. It is even worse if the organization is self insured.

A lot of people that call themselves Catholic use contraceptives. What an individual does on his own is that person's business. A problem occurs when a [government] imposes itself against their beliefs. Ask yourself if the government would be doing it if Muslims had the same beliefs for a perspective.

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Not feeling the need to have insurance is both short cited and selfish. Who do you think pays for the care that an uninsured person receives when they go to a hospital?
"Who do you think pays for the care that an uninsured person receives when they go to a hospital?"

The people who have insurance do through higher premiums. The hospital charges the insurance companies more for other procedures to make up their losses in the emergency room. That won't change under Obamacare.

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Aug 24, 2012
 
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Wow. Just wow. bro, if you do not know what you are talking about, then stfu. If your trying to be just a troll, then go troll somewhere else.
I am an atheist. Not ashamed of it either. I (unlike others) do not push atheism on any one. Everyone has the right to their own beliefs and their own religion.
As an atheist am I Marxist, or a Democrat, or a shill for dipshit BO? Nope. Far from it actually. Out of the 1k+ posts on here of me bashing that idiot for his complete absolute stupidity and being controled by bankers, I am surprised Barry Soetoro has not sent people to my house. Also I am a proud contributing member and registered Libertarian Party.
Now I won't get into the atheism part, because your a deluded follower of some form of oraginized religion. I will just leave you with "All national institution of churches appear to me as human inventions established to enslave mankind for power and profit".....Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason.
Wow, just wow is exactly what I keep repeating in my head reading this thread. I am truly afraid now for this country. Actually human kind.

I am agnostic, non religious. Actually vehemently anti religions, though I don't preach that. I am a libertarian. I not a democratic for damn sure. I am very conservative, fiscally conservative. Socially neither liberal or conservative. I am a libertarian. If you don't cause harm to me, I don't care what you do. When I say "me" I mean anyone... But I'm don't think I should be compelled by the government to save you if you use your free will to destroy yourself.(Drugs, prostitution, many more)

I was raised in a religious family. Catholic. I just can't buy it. I am pretty sure I never did. I am spiritual. Is there a larger meaning to all this? I like to think so. I kind of believe so. But nobody told me what to think, what to do, what is right and what is wrong. I am a child of the "religion" of science.
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If you to be compelled to be kind, humane, empathetic because you fear punishment? You are NOT kind, you are NOT humane, you are not empathetic. It should be human nature.

It scares the crap out of me that most of humanity are indoctrinated jnto whatever "faith" (cult) it may be I am an equal opportunity critic. They are all cults. There are some good people in the cults I guess. But I really don't believe they truly buy in. I think there are a myriad or reasons, family pressure, social pressure. provide a structure for you family...

Don't ever accuse me of being evil, or a socialist, Nazi, marxist Whatever. You don't know. I do know however, that you are brainwashed. Simple minded? Uneducated? You need a myth.

Sorry for the rant. I rarely post. But this really pissed me off, disturbed me. The root of this thread? Who will I vote for? Romney. I have doubts how truly endoctrinated he is. But I could be wrong. But it is not more or worse a cult than others.
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I am Libertarian and find it surprising that some one who leans Libertarian would support a federal control of healthcare. The ninth and tenth amendments leave the social issues to the states.
That is correct. It doesn't force religious organizations to provide contraception [directly]. It forces religious organizations to provide coverage that does include contraception. A religion is paying for something that goes against their beliefs. It is even worse if the organization is self insured.
A lot of people that call themselves Catholic use contraceptives. What an individual does on his own is that person's business. A problem occurs when a [government] imposes itself against their beliefs. Ask yourself if the government would be doing it if Muslims had the same beliefs for a perspective.
You are not libertarian is you support this. It is contradictory on the most basic level.

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"No, it doesn't. It makes them to buy coverage that includes it."
That's the same thing.
It's not the same thing. Everyone pays taxes that goes toward something they don't agree with.

They are not being forced to do anything contrary to their principles.
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You are in for a big surprise down the road.
My statement wasn't related to the effectiveness of the health care bill (I don't like it either), but to the intention of it.
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It becomes one, as does atheism, when it is organized and imposed on others. You don't need a god to be a religion.
How does one impose secularism?
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One of the definitions of religion:
Yes, that is an absurdly broad definition.
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Forcing them to buy contraception, or insurance that covers contraception, does, as does forcing a Jew to buy pork.
More like forcing a Jew to pay taxes, some of which goes towards a subsidy for a pig farmer. There's no requirement that the person break their own religious code.

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Contraception and abortion is just the tip of the iceberg called obamacare. The whole concept of the government telling an individual or a company they have to purchase a product or get fined or taxed whatever you call it is wrong. If your company doesn't want to help cover your insurance find one that does it is what is called the Benefits package. If you're self employed and don't feel you need or want to have medical insurance you shouldn't get punished for it.
Thank you. The issue is not the Catholic Church being force to provide certain coverages. It is the notion that ANY private company should be told what the provide to thier employees. It is shocking to me. You employer shouldn't have to provide shit, or provide what they can afford. Or what they damn want to. The provide these benefits to attack talent, if they can afford it. I have never heard of, nor had birth control covered. Jesus that is about the cheapest thing you can get. They don't cover braces, or laser eye surgery. Those are damn expensive. But I shelled out the money for me to get the eye surgery for myself, and for my son to have braces. It was worth it to me and I paid. I didn't complain. Those seem more worthy to me.

Is obamacare eventually going to expand to cover those? That is inflicting an enormous expense, someone will pay. We will pay. One way or another, either lower salaries, higher premiums, or both.

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You are not libertarian is you support this. It is contradictory on the most basic level.
How so? If I support what?

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The_Box wrote:
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It's not the same thing. Everyone pays taxes that goes toward something they don't agree with.
They are not being forced to do anything contrary to their principles.
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My statement wasn't related to the effectiveness of the health care bill (I don't like it either), but to the intention of it.
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How does one impose secularism?
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Yes, that is an absurdly broad definition.
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More like forcing a Jew to pay taxes, some of which goes towards a subsidy for a pig farmer. There's no requirement that the person break their own religious code.
You have to separate the individual from the organization, Box.

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Justfacts99 wrote:
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Why are you two stuck on the contraception? Just because the insurance company offers the pill, you don't have to go on it.
I don't believe in lima beans, so should I scream that the restaurant needs to take them off the menu? I don't care if others eat the nasty buggers and I don't understand why anyone would want them, but my beliefs do not prevail.
You don't have to buy the lima beans. That argument misses the entire point.
The government has zero business mandating what they have to provide. Private companies shouldn't have to provide anything. I know, technically they "don't". That is shell game, a flat out lie. But they get fined. BS.
For any private business, big and small, I believe the largest expense they incur as far as hiring. Talk about a small business killer. Big businesses feel the hit just same or more, they just pass it on you the employee. I have seen it mushroom in my career. I have worked for both GIANT (IBM) as well as start ups. You dont notice as much, if you don't pay attention, coming out of your check. It is getting more and more of a part of compensation. My take home pay has been stagnant for 5 years, but I sure am paying increasing more for health insurance. So II guess technically I have been getting raises.. I'm paying attention. I don't know the answer, but I do know government controlled health care is the end. Government controlled anything never is cost effective. I love our military and NASA, but they are incredibly inefficient too.

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obamacare eventually going to expand and a panel of ignorant people will decide your fate

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How so? If I support what?
Obamacare. It is the definition anti libertarian, it is the opposite. You do know the basic principles of libertarians, right? Small, very limited government, free will, as long you don't infringe in anyone else's liberties. Google it

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You have to separate the individual from the organization, Box.
Hey I see your point. I apologize. I am not hard line. There is way to much gray. Yeah, I pay taxes for plenty of things. Some I just don't use, that is Ok, some I disagree with, this is I vote.

I just got worked up. You are rational, you present valid arguments I always respect that.

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Obamacare. It is the definition anti libertarian, it is the opposite. You do know the basic principles of libertarians, right? Small, very limited government, free will, as long you don't infringe in anyone else's liberties. Google it
I don't support Obamacare, or any federal expansionism, at all.

If you would read the posts again, I am against the government imposing itself on a private institution, especially religious ones. They are supposed to be protected from government.

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Teaman wrote:
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I don't support Obamacare, or any federal expansionism, at all.
If you would read the posts again, I am against the government imposing itself on a private institution, especially religious ones. They are supposed to be protected from government.
Again, I truly apologize. I only mad it about halfway through the thread before I just was compelled to respond to a post. I didn't read the entire. Which as a rule I do, for just the reason. This is why I don't generally post at all. I just observe. I just got pushed over the edge. This is a critical time for our country. In am a little passionate about it.

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carync wrote:
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Again, I truly apologize. I only mad it about halfway through the thread before I just was compelled to respond to a post. I didn't read the entire. Which as a rule I do, for just the reason. This is why I don't generally post at all. I just observe. I just got pushed over the edge. This is a critical time for our country. In am a little passionate about it.
I completely agree with that. It is a critical time.

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Liberals come from a whole line of British sympathizers' of our past...aka Cowards
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Aug 25, 2012
 
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I didn't state you were religious, I was making a point, which you did get the point at least.
However, if you were to make such exceptions, then where would you draw the line? Without having it all inclusive you create a can of worms that will make insurance itself useless and people will not get any medical care, resulting in more problems than we see now. Use your head, you say you are not religious, stop thinking like a religious person.
Why all the waivers for the unions, obamas political contributors and corrupt cronies?
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#235
Aug 25, 2012
 
Eleanor wrote:
Athiests, sure why not?
How man athiests are RUNNING for President?
How many EVER won the Presidency??
Maybe next time they can sponsor an athiest and even throw in a Satanist for good luck.
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I don't know. Why don't you tell us?
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Aug 25, 2012
 
Vance1 wrote:
Liberals come from a whole line of British sympathizers' of our past...aka Cowards
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