Atheist Islamophobia... Again

Atheist Islamophobia... Again

There are 3765 comments on the Religion Dispatched story from Apr 9, 2013, titled Atheist Islamophobia... Again. In it, Religion Dispatched reports that:

Sparked by a Richard Dawkins tweet , in which he drew a parallel between Islamists and Nazis, Nathan Lean recently suggested on Salon.com that the most famous representatives of the new atheism "flirt with" Islamophobia [echoing Chris Stedman's prescient warning to fellow atheists on RD this past August]. As the article explains, Dawkins, Hitchens ... (more)

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“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#1262 May 8, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>
Wiki seems your blind spot as well as your trust in the words of Hitler. LOL
Thank you for admitting that you only accept things that have no evidence.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#1263 May 8, 2013
huntcoyotes wrote:
<quoted text>I have no proof to offer you, snookums. But then, your "facts" are only believed by other athiests. Remind them to pack you plenty of aloe in your coffin when you die.
Facts aren't up for belief, dear. they are just facts.

the facts in this case are that you worship a proven myth. you are in a cult.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#1264 May 8, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>
funny you do not grasp rule of evidence in real life.
in fact, the evidence in real life shows your views of atheists to be all wrong and your belief in a proven mythical god to be irrational.
KJV

United States

#1265 May 8, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>Hitler was catholic - he trusted your words and look what happened.
"Where did Darwin's ideas lead?

Enthused with his new theory, it's doubtful that Charles Darwin gave much thought to the possible moral consequences of what he was writing. He certainly could not have foreseen that less than 75 years later, his ideas would lead to Adolf Hitler and the Holocaust, the Nazi attempt at exterminating the Jews. But Professor Weikart's detailed book documents the connection, with plenty of quotes from mostly German philosophers and scientists in the intervening years.
Dr. Richard Evans, professor of modern history at the University of Cambridge and author of The Coming of the Third Reich, says that Weikart's book "shows in sober and convincing detail how Darwinist thinkers in Germany had developed an amoral attitude to human society by the time of the First World War, in which the supposed good of the race was applied as the sole criterion of public policy and 'racial hygiene.'
"Without over-simplifying the lines that connected this body of thought to Hitler, he demonstrates with chilling clarity how policies such as infanticide, assisted suicide, marriage prohibitions, and much else were being proposed for those considered racially or eugenically inferior by a variety of Darwinist writers and scientists, providing Hitler and the Nazis with a scientific justification for the policies they pursued ..." ( From Darwin to Hitler, back cover)"

http://www.ucg.org/news-and-prophecy/how-darw...
KJV

United States

#1266 May 8, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>Hitler was catholic - he trusted your words and look what happened.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/tj/v...

"Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists, revealed in their writings that Darwin’s theory and publications had a major influence upon Nazi race policies. Hitler believed that the human gene pool could be improved by using selective breeding similar to how farmers breed superior cattle strains. In the formulation of their racial policies, Hitler’s government relied heavily upon Darwinism, especially the elaborations by Spencer and Haeckel. As a result, a central policy of Hitler’s administration was the development and implementation of policies designed to protect the ‘superior race’. This required at the very least preventing the ‘inferior races’ from mixing with those judged superior, in order to reduce contamination of the latter’s gene pool. The ‘superior race’ belief was based on the theory of group inequality within each species, a major presumption and requirement of Darwin’s original ‘survival of the fittest’ theory. This philosophy culminated in the ‘final solution’, the extermination of approximately six million Jews and four million other people who belonged to what German scientists judged as ‘inferior races’."
KJV

United States

#1267 May 8, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>Hitler was catholic - he trusted your words and look what happened.
Was Hitler a Christian?

October 30, 1999

Dear Straight Dope:

In my numerous online debates in various chatrooms, I have learned the following: many Christians seem to think that Adolf Hitler was an atheist (or at least wasn't "Christian"). Of course I and my fellow atheists know better, as Hitler mentions his devotion to Christianity numerous times in his writings. Can you clear this up for me? Was Hitler an "honest to God" Christian, or was he simply using religion as a means of control?- Carl Stieger

The short answer is a definite "maybe" or, more precisely, "probably neither." The looooong answer is somewhat more complicated.

You are right that Hitler did mention Christianity many times in his writings. He paid Christianity a lot of lip service in Mein Kampf, and he claimed to be a Christian. But Hitler's secretary, Martin Bormann, also declared that "National Socialism [Nazism] and Christianity are irreconcilable" and Hitler didn't squawk too much about it. Similarly, Hermann Rauschning, a Hitler associate, said, "One is either a Christian or a German. You can't be both." In addition, Hitler declared Nazism the state religion and the Bible was replaced by Mein Kampf in the schools.

First, let's look at what he said that seems to put him on the anti-Christian side:

According to a press release from Catholic League President, William A. Donohue (2/4/99): "Hitler was a neo-pagan terrorist whose conscience was not informed by Christianity, but by pseudo-scientific racist philosophies. Hitler hated the Catholic Church, made plans to kill the Pope, authorized the murder of thousands of priests and nuns, and did everything he could to suppress the influence of the Church. In 1933, Hitler said,'It is through the peasantry that we shall really be able to destroy Christianity because there is in them a true religion rooted in nature and blood.'"

[further down, within the text:]

“... atheists looking for a quick cheap-shot may claim Hitler was a Christian; similarly, Christians looking for a quick shot may claim he was an atheist. Know what? Hitler was a vegetarian! Oooh, those evil vegetarians! He also recommended that parents give their children milk to drink instead of beer and started the first anti-smoking campaign.(So by the "reasoning" used in these types of arguments, if you are truly anti-Hitler, you should smoke heavily and only give your baby beer!) Better watch out, though he was an oxygen-breather, too! In other words, does it really matter whether Hitler was an atheist or a Christian or whatever? Just because somebody may hold a particular worldview (along with other views) doesn't make him a spokesman for that view, or even remotely representative of others who hold that view.”"

continued:
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1699...
KJV

United States

#1268 May 8, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you for admitting that you only accept things that have no evidence.
So that would be like accepting that you have a brain "scarecrow" even though there is no evidence leading me to believe that.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#1269 May 8, 2013
[QUOTE who="KJV
"]<quoted text>
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/tj/v...
"Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists, revealed in their writings that Darwin’s theory and publications had a major influence upon Nazi race policies. Hitler believed that the human gene pool could be improved by using selective breeding similar to how farmers breed superior cattle strains. In the formulation of their racial policies, Hitler’s government relied heavily upon Darwinism, especially the elaborations by Spencer and Haeckel. As a result, a central policy of Hitler’s administration was the development and implementation of policies designed to protect the ‘superior race’. This required at the very least preventing the ‘inferior races’ from mixing with those judged superior, in order to reduce contamination of the latter’s gene pool. The ‘superior race’ belief was based on the theory of group inequality within each species, a major presumption and requirement of Darwin’s original ‘survival of the fittest’ theory. This philosophy culminated in the ‘final solution’, the extermination of approximately six million Jews and four million other people who belonged to what German scientists judged as ‘inferior races’."[/QUOTE]

Why don't you ever post any sources that are scientific or cite scientific work?
KJV

United States

#1270 May 8, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>in fact, the evidence in real life shows your views of atheists to be all wrong and your belief in a proven mythical god to be irrational.
Broken record.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1271 May 8, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Broken record.
Yes... yes you are a broken record.

The only thing is?

You've been shown how to fix your record... but you apparently are incapable of ... learning.

How very sad for you-- you aren't even human any more...
Lincoln

United States

#1272 May 8, 2013
"..you aren't even human any more..."

Rather Nazi like thinking, you aren't even human.
What a travesty for a poster to write.

Is it any wonder Qunatum-Bot does disservice to Atheism.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#1273 May 8, 2013
[QUOTE who="KJV
"]<quoted text>
"Where did Darwin's ideas lead?
[/QUOTE]

To evolutionary biology and the largest ever drop in world death rates in recorded history.

Just sayin'

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#1274 May 8, 2013
[QUOTE who="KJV
"]<quoted text>
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/tj/v...
"Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists, revealed in their writings that Darwin’s theory and publications had a major influence upon Nazi race policies. Hitler believed that the human gene pool could be improved by using selective breeding similar to how farmers breed superior cattle strains. In the formulation of their racial policies, Hitler’s government relied heavily upon Darwinism, especially the elaborations by Spencer and Haeckel. As a result, a central policy of Hitler’s administration was the development and implementation of policies designed to protect the ‘superior race’. This required at the very least preventing the ‘inferior races’ from mixing with those judged superior, in order to reduce contamination of the latter’s gene pool. The ‘superior race’ belief was based on the theory of group inequality within each species, a major presumption and requirement of Darwin’s original ‘survival of the fittest’ theory. This philosophy culminated in the ‘final solution’, the extermination of approximately six million Jews and four million other people who belonged to what German scientists judged as ‘inferior races’."[/QUOTE]

Hitler was Catholic - every Nazi belt had "In god we trust" forged on the front.

Why would a supposedly "atheist" dictator have "In God we trust" on every single Nazi belt?

Care to answer the question theist liar?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#1275 May 9, 2013
[QUOTE who="KJV
"]<quoted text>
"Where did Darwin's ideas lead?
Enthused with his new theory, it's doubtful that Charles Darwin gave much thought to the possible moral consequences of what he was writing. He certainly could not have foreseen that less than 75 years later, his ideas would lead to Adolf Hitler and the Holocaust, the Nazi attempt at exterminating the Jews. But Professor Weikart's detailed book documents the connection, with plenty of quotes from mostly German philosophers and scientists in the intervening years.
Dr. Richard Evans, professor of modern history at the University of Cambridge and author of The Coming of the Third Reich, says that Weikart's book "shows in sober and convincing detail how Darwinist thinkers in Germany had developed an amoral attitude to human society by the time of the First World War, in which the supposed good of the race was applied as the sole criterion of public policy and 'racial hygiene.'
"Without over-simplifying the lines that connected this body of thought to Hitler, he demonstrates with chilling clarity how policies such as infanticide, assisted suicide, marriage prohibitions, and much else were being proposed for those considered racially or eugenically inferior by a variety of Darwinist writers and scientists, providing Hitler and the Nazis with a scientific justification for the policies they pursued ..." ( From Darwin to Hitler, back cover)"
http://www.ucg.org/news-and-prophecy/how-darw... [/QUOTE]You keep posting this bullshit you know is a lie. it was, in fact, christians in the US that started the Eugenics idea that hitler used. also fact, they were still doing it in the US in until the 60's...

why do you continually lie about this?
Thinking

UK

#1276 May 9, 2013
The majority of Nazis were protestants.

Remember Darwin said not to apply natural selection to human society, yet it is the right wing part of the US church that doesn't think your poor should get healthcare or that markets should be restrained - quoting "survival of the fittest."
Lincoln wrote:
"..you aren't even human any more..."
Rather Nazi like thinking, you aren't even human.
What a travesty for a poster to write.
Is it any wonder Qunatum-Bot does disservice to Atheism.
Lincoln

United States

#1277 May 9, 2013
Thinking wrote:
The majority of Nazis were protestants.
Remember Darwin said not to apply natural selection to human society, yet it is the right wing part of the US church that doesn't think your poor should get healthcare or that markets should be restrained - quoting "survival of the fittest."
<quoted text>
and in the United Kingdom you seem to have lost?

he Lords Spiritual
26 bishops of the Church of England sit in the House of Lords. Known as the Lords Spiritual, they read prayers at the start of each daily meeting and play a full and active role in the life and work of the Upper House.

This section provides information about their historic and present role, and details of the current occupants of the Bishops' Benches.
The continuing place of Anglican bishops in the Lords reflects our enduring constitutional arrangement, with an established Church of England and its Supreme Governor as Monarch and Head of State.
Although there are 44 dioceses in the present-day Church of England, the Bishopric of Manchester Act of 1847 limited the number of places for Lords Spiritual to 26. In the Upper House today the 26 Lords Spiritual constitute around 3.5% of its membersh.

The Archbishops of Canterbury and York and the Bishops of Durham, London and Winchester are ex-officio members of the House of Lords. The remaining 21 places on the Bishops' Bench are not determined by diocese, but are occupied by those English diocesan bishops that have served the longest.

When bishops retire from their see (compulsory at 70), their membership of the House also ceases. Occasionally some have become life peers, and this is usually the case for former archbishops.

USA has no Bishops in the United States Senate!
Libertarian

London, UK

#1278 May 9, 2013
I also have no proof that a purple hedgehog lives on the moon. He has told me that on thursday all trees are evil so you must all show respect for my view because you cannot prove it wrong.

Therefore from now on, on thursdays anyone seen within 10 feet of a tree will be stoned to death.

Remember you must show respect to my baseless and pointless belief.

By the way the Mighty Purple Hedgehog (MPH) has also decided that anyone who wants to marry someone of the opposite sex is not allowed.
Libertarian

London, UK

#1279 May 9, 2013
The treaty between the Nazis and Catholic church is historically accepted.

The pope ordered all german priests to hand over their parish records to help the nazis check for racial impurities.
The church funded any escape to south america and even today still send money to their surviving offspring.

THe only nazi ever excommunicated was Goebbels.
Why you may ask. Because he helped kill millions? No. it was because he committed the crime of marrying a protestant.

How the catholic church was not involved in the nurenburg trials still astounds me, but then hiding behind a god always helps, the inquisition, the KKK, the NRA, the sub-humanising of non-americans in the american media.
I could go on & on & on etc
Lincoln

United States

#1280 May 9, 2013
Libertarian wrote:
I also have no proof that a purple hedgehog lives on the moon. He has told me that on thursday all trees are evil so you must all show respect for my view because you cannot prove it wrong.
Therefore from now on, on thursdays anyone seen within 10 feet of a tree will be stoned to death.
Remember you must show respect to my baseless and pointless belief.
By the way the Mighty Purple Hedgehog (MPH) has also decided that anyone who wants to marry someone of the opposite sex is not allowed.
United Kingdom Established Churches
Guess you have work to do with atheism at home, just saying
Imhotep

Sun City Center, FL

#1281 May 9, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
"..you aren't even human any more..."
Rather Nazi like thinking, you aren't even human.
What a travesty for a poster to write.
Is it any wonder Qunatum-Bot does disservice to Atheism.
The fine art of sarcasm has escaped you once again. LOL

Why are you in IRRELIGIOUS forums?
What do you expect to accomplish?
Have you met with any success so far?
Have you been able to convert anyone?
Why do you feel atheists threaten your faith?

Just curious which cult is yours?
Sell me on your belief...

You may begin proselytizing now... ;)

First question to ask your guy...

Is he the exact identical same deity worshiped by Jews Christians and Muslims?

PS: Jesus has you're '6' on this one!

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