US credibility in tatters over Egypt

US credibility in tatters over Egypt

There are 24 comments on the BBC News story from Aug 15, 2013, titled US credibility in tatters over Egypt. In it, BBC News reports that:

On the streets of Cairo it's not just a fledgling democracy that lies in ruin. US policy too lies in tatters, or at least America's reputation and credibility.

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one cube parsec

Delhi, India

#1 Aug 16, 2013
The US Uk french russians and the WEST- together they always fund and sell weapons to BOTH the islamists and the military all over the middle east and asia. They pit one against the other.

They help military regimes into power, then also poke and porvoke the islamists, fund and arm extremists islamists etc via proxy powers under western control like Saidi and Quatar.

This keeps military or civilian govt.(like in pakistan) always feeling threatened from islamists, and so they have to in turn depend on USA for support.

Of USA obliges with 'aid', mostly military, in return for their pound of flesh of course.

The name of the game is - use factionalism in other countries to CREATE LEVERAGE, then use such leverage to obtain favors and deals that no free country would otherwise sign on to.
one cube parsec

Delhi, India

#2 Aug 16, 2013
The military rulers of the Middle east pakistan etc know what the USA is doing, but they too now need the islamists to be strong enough! to be the viable "boogie man" just around the corner that they can show as a constant threat to the decent sane secular sections of society.

So they can justify to the people that they need the military to protect them from the big bad islamist.
one cube parsec

Delhi, India

#3 Aug 16, 2013
So long as you have a weakness, you will always find evil greedy people in our world, west or east, who will want to use that weakness for their own benefit, and your detriment.(to exploit)

Islam is the weakness for some countries in middle east or Asia.(like drugs is to south america).
TGO

United States

#4 Aug 16, 2013
Obama has three more years to wreck US credibility.

He's just getting started.
one cube parsec

Delhi, India

#5 Aug 16, 2013
Why do US ships get first rights thru the Suez Canal free of charge, while other countries have an average waiting period of ten days, after they they pay premium dollar?
one cube parsec

Delhi, India

#6 Aug 16, 2013
14 October
Sir Anthony Eden holds secret discussions with French officials over a military operation to recover use of the Canal. The talks result in the formation of a plan by which Israel would invade Egypt and thus allow British and French forces to seize the Canal as an act of intervention between warring nations.

22-24 October
The British Foreign Secretary, Selwyn Lloyd, concludes the agreement with French and Israeli officials at Sèvres, France. The British copy of the resulting Sèvres Protocol is subsequently destroyed on Eden's orders.

25 October
Eden gains approval for military intervention from a divided cabinet. An increasingly sidelined Foreign Office is split over the Government's intention to adopt military measures.

29 October
Israeli forces invade Egypt.

30 October
The British and French ultimatum for an end to hostilities is rejected by Nasser.

5-6 November
On the night of 5-6 November, British and French troops invade Port Said and take control of the Suez Canal. In a meeting of the British cabinet on 6 November, Harold Macmillan raises stark warnings of economic peril as a result of the action. Macmillan had previously been one of the strongest supporters of resolute action. The US Presidential election results in the re-election of President Eisenhower.

7 November
The United States, USSR and the United Nations condemn British and French military action. The loss of confidence and American backing for the already weak British economy forces Eden into calling a cease-fire. British public opinion is deeply divided over the use of force.

9 January 1957
Under the impact of the Crisis, Eden's already fragile health has deteriorated to such an extent that he is forced to resign. Ill health or not, politically Eden's premiership had little future.
guest

United States

#7 Aug 16, 2013
We lost it all when we went into Iraq, wake up.
Adale

Baltimore, MD

#8 Aug 16, 2013
guest wrote:
We lost it all when we went into Iraq, wake up.
That was indeed a big mistake but not the reason for middle east troubles...look at culture and religious oppression of It's people. No advancement in a thousand years but they see the west and Asia miles ahead in everything and they are being left behind, stuck in a religious dominated society.

Egypt is number one in porn activitie over the internet. That's very telling of the society they live in.and other Islamic countries are in second and third place. Depraved culture.
Faith

New Baltimore, MI

#9 Aug 16, 2013
one cube parsec wrote:
The US Uk french russians and the WEST- together they always fund and sell weapons to BOTH the islamists and the military all over the middle east and asia. They pit one against the other.
They help military regimes into power, then also poke and porvoke the islamists, fund and arm extremists islamists etc via proxy powers under western control like Saidi and Quatar.
This keeps military or civilian govt.(like in pakistan) always feeling threatened from islamists, and so they have to in turn depend on USA for support.
Of USA obliges with 'aid', mostly military, in return for their pound of flesh of course.
The name of the game is - use factionalism in other countries to CREATE LEVERAGE, then use such leverage to obtain favors and deals that no free country would otherwise sign on to.
You say this as if you think it's a bad thing.
one cube parsec

Delhi, India

#10 Aug 16, 2013
Faith wrote:
<quoted text>You say this as if you think it's a bad thing.
What deal did USA and EU Uk France do with Muslim Brotherhood, in return for installing them into power? Wonder why they are SO desperate to have Morsi back? Effective control of Suez Canal, in return for their backing against the military and the secular majority? Another 30 years of islamic theocracy, that the western people hate but governments love and sell arms to!

How did a salafi organization get so powerful in an egypt where 80% are either secular or Sufi (mildest form of islam)? How did Morsi get exactly 51% of the vote? Who funds them with so much money and arms?

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#11 Aug 16, 2013
Obama attempted to force liberalism down the throats of Africans and Arabs and Muslims. It did not work. The biggest problem, Obama's biggest folly, was his "gay rights" agenda. No self-respecting nation of earth will fall for that non-sense, especially not African nation will go for it. Obama is an embarrassment and a disgrace to Africans everywhere.

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#12 Aug 16, 2013
Egyptians are divided on the matter of how important it is for their country to have good relations with the United States, with 48 per cent saying it is important and 51 per cent saying it is not important. Interestingly the only sub-group in which a majority agree that relations with the US are important are the supporters of the Tamarod movement.

Two-thirds of all Egyptians feel that the US was too supportive of President Morsi. And more than eight in 10 feel that “Egypt was harmed by the US policy of support for Morsi.” When asked about their reactions to the calls by some American politicians to “suspend US aid until there is a legitimately elected government in Egypt,” 18 per cent respond that “it makes me happy,” 24 per cent say “it makes me angry,” but 56 per cent say they “don’t care, because Egypt doesn’t need US aid.” The reason for this negative attitude can be found in the responses given to the question:“Who has most benefited from the billions of dollars of US assistance to Egypt?” Only 24 per cent agree that either the Egyptian people or military have been the prime beneficiaries, while 21 per cent say it is the US and 48 per cent say that it is Israel that has benefited most from post-Camp David US aid to Egypt.

One of the more revealing findings in the poll comes in responses to the question “to what extent do you feel that the United States understands Egypt and the Egyptian people?” Only 36 per cent agree that the US has some understanding, while 62 per cent say that the US has little or no understanding of Egypt and its people.
( http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/News/3685/21/Attit... )
one cube parsec

Delhi, India

#13 Aug 16, 2013
Abdurratln wrote:
Obama attempted to force liberalism down the throats of Africans and Arabs and Muslims. It did not work. The biggest problem, Obama's biggest folly, was his "gay rights" agenda. No self-respecting nation of earth will fall for that non-sense, especially not African nation will go for it. Obama is an embarrassment and a disgrace to Africans everywhere.
You have no idea what is going on in Africa. Or its terrible history. Read about what all Charles de Gaulle the french general had done in africa.

Or see what is happening in Mali and what the french are doing there today. Or how the Boko Haram in on the run as the africa united forces go after them. Yes the people of africa are taking control of their own countries for the first time, and the Saudi (USA EU in masks) funded islamists everywhere are on the run. And the common people are fed up of them and apealing to the UN blue helmets to take up active role in Congo. Same story all over Africa. Most of those blue helmets are from India, so we hear directly what all is happening in Africa.

The west can no longer covertly push extreme islamist groups into power where the local people are not even islamic, like the french had done, under Charles de Gaulle. The west's game will be totally up if the middle east now realized how they are being exploited using sectarianism and religion. Again Islam is total fiction, BOTH Shia and Sunni. And a weakness that the west will use to the full for their own interest.
one cube parsec

Delhi, India

#14 Aug 16, 2013
Abdurratln wrote:
Egyptians are divided on the matter of how important it is for their country to have good relations with the United States, with 48 per cent saying it is important and 51 per cent saying it is not important. Interestingly the only sub-group in which a majority agree that relations with the US are important are the supporters of the Tamarod movement.
Two-thirds of all Egyptians feel that the US was too supportive of President Morsi. And more than eight in 10 feel that “Egypt was harmed by the US policy of support for Morsi.” When asked about their reactions to the calls by some American politicians to “suspend US aid until there is a legitimately elected government in Egypt,” 18 per cent respond that “it makes me happy,” 24 per cent say “it makes me angry,” but 56 per cent say they “don’t care, because Egypt doesn’t need US aid.” The reason for this negative attitude can be found in the responses given to the question:“Who has most benefited from the billions of dollars of US assistance to Egypt?” Only 24 per cent agree that either the Egyptian people or military have been the prime beneficiaries, while 21 per cent say it is the US and 48 per cent say that it is Israel that has benefited most from post-Camp David US aid to Egypt.
One of the more revealing findings in the poll comes in responses to the question “to what extent do you feel that the United States understands Egypt and the Egyptian people?” Only 36 per cent agree that the US has some understanding, while 62 per cent say that the US has little or no understanding of Egypt and its people.
(http://weekly. ahram. org. eg/News/3685/21/Attitudes-in-p ost-Morsi-Egypt.aspx)
Interesting.
Adale

Baltimore, MD

#15 Aug 16, 2013
Some of these posters are using the same old conspiracy theories that are floating around the world. Cia and french, British, isreal undermining the peoples rights by installing corrupt leaders.old style colonialism ruined all those countries.
Truth is that you were better off under colonialism...the whole continent is a basket case
Adale

Baltimore, MD

#16 Aug 16, 2013
No religious freedom, corrupt economys, most of the population living in the dark ages.

Bad things did happen with the Europeans in control, the king of Belgium owning the Congo, ect, ect..........but you, not the cia or western powers have contributed to todays problem.
coyote

Biloxi, MS

#17 Aug 16, 2013
There is a chronic problem with US foreign policy, most acute when Democrats are in power, but certainly not absent among Republicans. That problem is that we try to achieve essentially unlimited ends, with limited means. An example is Vietnam, where we tried to prop up an essentially French Catholic government, in an Asian Buddhist nation, and then restructure them as a western democracy, all without waging total war. Ho Chi Minh, on the other hand, was willing to use unlimited means to achieve the limited end of US Out. Ho won.
With Iraq, we again tried to nation build, when we should have simply killed Saddam, if we thought the place would work better without him, and gone home.
With Obama, we appointed a deeply polarizing women's libby Secretary of State, Hilary Clinton, probably BOTH the most admired and most hated woman in America, and handed Al Quaida the perfect recruiting tool. "Unless you want a wife like this, DEFEND that oldtime Islam!"
We need to limit our goals to supporting governments we can live with and eliminating those we can't tolerate, and use the means necessary to achieve these limited ends.

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#18 Aug 16, 2013
Adale wrote:
Some of these posters are using the same old conspiracy theories that are floating around the world. Cia and french, British, isreal undermining the peoples rights by installing corrupt leaders.old style colonialism ruined all those countries.
Truth is that you were better off under colonialism...the whole continent is a basket case
Obviously Egypt is better off now than under colonialism. They just stood up to Obama and told him to take his "aid", his $1.5 billion and shove it. I am happy and proud of my Egyptians.
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Delhi, India

#19 Aug 16, 2013
Abdurratln wrote:
<quoted text>
Obviously Egypt is better off now than under colonialism. They just stood up to Obama and told him to take his "aid", his $1.5 billion and shove it. I am happy and proud of my Egyptians.
This is totally a good thing. Always refuse aid, as strings are always attached, and those strings will always tie you up.

1.3 billion for right of first passage for US ships through the Suez Canal. Egypt could earn many times more just from the normal charges on US navy ships in a year. Then are the commercial ships from USA and UK and EU.

Also note it is of paramount importence for USA to keep control of the Suez Canal. Or it would become very difficult to project their military might in Asia, from china to japan to korea and not to forget pakistan afghanistan. In short, to remain a super power, you need Suez Canal. When UK lost control of Suez Canal, that was the time when the british empire ceased to be a world military power.

Morsi had agreed to allow US to almost control Suez Canal, and return Obama gave him the 1.5 million aid. And so the west will keep supporting Morsi. And media like BBC, CNN, and certainly Aljazeera will villify the military, and the anti Morsi people. They will try to have you believe that those gun men on rooftops are from the military. Who can really say who those gun men are that were so emotionlessly shooting at the people.

While the military is the one who gets weakened if casualties are high. I always ask - who has the motives, and who benifits. Clearly the Pro Morsi people's position will become stronger if many protesters die.
one cube parsec

Delhi, India

#20 Aug 16, 2013
Adale wrote:
Some of these posters are using the same old conspiracy theories that are floating around the world. Cia and french, British, isreal undermining the peoples rights by installing corrupt leaders.old style colonialism ruined all those countries.
Truth is that you were better off under colonialism...the whole continent is a basket case
Just google with keywords - Suez Crisis

You can check out the bodley site who keep historical documents, like official orders, speeches, declassified letters etc.

Or you can check the wikipedia site, or the bbc site. All the same story, only in much greater detail.

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