Scientists agree on climate change. S...

Scientists agree on climate change. So why doesn't everyone else?

There are 138 comments on the The Washington Post story from May 18, 2013, titled Scientists agree on climate change. So why doesn't everyone else?. In it, The Washington Post reports that:

That stat comes from this extensive new survey led by John Cook and Dana Nuccitelli, who run the Skeptical Science website .

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“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

London, KY

#87 May 19, 2013
Quote by Thomas B. Gray former head Space Services branch at the NOAA and a researcher in NOAA’s Environmental Research Laboratories:“Nothing that is occurring in weather or in climate research at this time can be shown to be abnormal in the light of our knowledge of climate variations over geologic time...The claims of those convinced that AGW (anthropogenic global warming) is real and dangerous are not supported by reliable data.”

Quote by Colin Robinson, founder of the Department of Economics- University of Surrey UK, Fellow of the Royal Statistical Society:“One does not have to be a ‘climate change denier’ to see that a degree of skepticism about the present consensus might be in order....Most likely, now – as in the past – many analysts have become carried away by the results of their models, which purport to look into a far distant future, and have convinced themselves that they must embark on a crusade to enlighten others.”

Quote by Claude Culross, organic chemistry:“Fossils from our Holocene Era reveal a northern tree line approaching the Arctic Ocean. Surely it was warm enough then to preclude pack ice, and perhaps summer ice, from natural causes, and at only three-quarters of today’s carbon-dioxide level....Climate that seems unusual, but falls within the natural envelope of past climate, is no proof of man-made global warming.”



Quote by F. James Cripwell, physicist, former scientist with UK’s Cavendish Laboratory:“I am reminded of a quite well-known commercial in North America from Wendy’s,‘Where’s the beef?’ When it comes to the [UN] IPCC claim that the increased level of CO2 in the atmosphere is the cause of global warming, where’s the science?....on the differences between astronomy and astrology, both use the same data of the relative positions and motions of the earth, sun, moon, planets and stars; both have long complex calculations; both result in numerical answers. In the case of astronomy, the numbers have a scientific meaning; in the case of astrology, they do not. It seems to me that this claim of doubling the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere resulting in a linear addition to the radiative forcing is more akin to astrology than it is to astronomy.”x

Quote by Mike MiConnell, hydrologist/geologist, professional Earth scientist U.S. Forest Service:“Our understanding on the complexities of our climate system, the Earth itself and even the sun are still quite limited. Scaring people into submission is not the answer to get people to change their environmental ways...if Earth was suffering under an accelerated greenhouse effect caused by human produced addition of CO2, the troposphere should heat up faster than the surface of the planet, but data collected from satellites and weather balloons do not support this fundamental presumption even though we are seeing higher CO2. We ought to see near lockstep temperature increments along with higher CO2 concentration over time, especially over the last several years. But we're not.”

Quote by David Bellamy, biologist:“Global warming — at least the modern nightmare vision — is a myth. I am sure of it and so are a growing number of scientists. But what is really worrying is that the world's politicians and policy makers are not.”

Quote by Lynwood Yarbrough, biochemist and molecular biologist, served as a consultant for the National Institutes of Health:“I consider myself a scientific skeptic and want to be convinced by the data before I accept something as ‘true.’ As a biologist, I am aware of a number of cases in which science has been led in directions not based on hard evidence. Examples include Malthus and the Malthusian Theory, Lysenkoism in the old Soviet Union, and eugenics in the U.S. and elsewhere.”
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#88 May 19, 2013
An electromechanical engineering degree? A technician is here to deny PhD science with its copy/paste from fossil fuel propaganda.

Ignore it. I do.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#89 May 19, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
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What rational ppl would like to know, is how this 3% conclusion from the 97% who say otherwise is seen as not credible yet those same ppl in the 80's banned CFC's worldwide because it was shown to harm the ozone layer. Where were you deniers then ?
The big difference now is the CFC ban was only a small blip on the radar as far as Wall St was concerned. So there was little to no action opposing it. This is a whole different ball game, because fossil fuels has built Wall St and the whole industrial age.
The message is still the same, yet because you can't swallow the medicine then any crackpot idea is ported as truth when opposing the crackdown on fossil fuel use. It was the same for smoking when that was found to be harmful for your health. The Tobacco lobby went after this message all guns blazing. So it has taken 40+ yrs to have smoking banned from almost everywhere now. We have not got 40 yrs, its too late then.
rabbee: cfc's do not have as much effect, on the ozone layer as the alarmist speculated. sunspots are more responsible for diminishing the ozone layer, more than any cfc's could do. and just because they picked a period of high sunspot activity as their proof. their method was still flawed, to make it look as if cfc's were responsible. which was only mere, hearsay and conjecture on their part. scientists trying to claim fame, falsely will screw you to do it.

and even with the diminished, number of smokers. cancer is still on the increase. cancer is nothing more, than another plague in this world untrue to G-D. they are trying anything to avoid, claiming we have royally pissed off G-D. and the more G-Dless excuses, you through at it the worse it gets.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

London, KY

#90 May 19, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
An electromechanical engineering degree? A technician is here to deny PhD science with its copy/paste from fossil fuel propaganda.
Ignore it. I do.
Actually that would be a Master but of course you would ignore the Nobel Prize winners, PhD's, Masters, Ecologists, Geologists and other assorted scientists I listed (All of which can be Verified as to their expertise) that disagree with the dogma of your religion ... while you B'Leve folks like this... Sad to be so deluded by a religion to the point of incompetence...

http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/01/peo...

rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#91 May 19, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
An electromechanical engineering degree? A technician is here to deny PhD science with its copy/paste from fossil fuel propaganda.
Ignore it. I do.
rabbee: an engineer is not, a technician. they are, applied science specialists. and the technicians group, generally work for them. and engineer is a technologist, who applies known, verified, or possibly theoretical science for a useful means. the are scientists, in a very specialized field.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

London, KY

#92 May 19, 2013
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: cfc's do not have as much effect, on the ozone layer as the alarmist speculated. sunspots are more responsible for diminishing the ozone layer, more than any cfc's could do. and just because they picked a period of high sunspot activity as their proof. their method was still flawed, to make it look as if cfc's were responsible. which was only mere, hearsay and conjecture on their part. scientists trying to claim fame, falsely will screw you to do it.
and even with the diminished, number of smokers. cancer is still on the increase. cancer is nothing more, than another plague in this world untrue to G-D. they are trying anything to avoid, claiming we have royally pissed off G-D. and the more G-Dless excuses, you through at it the worse it gets.
Oh Yea I missed the Smoking Crap.... In the last 30 years smoking in the US has dropped 70%... With the one exception of Lung Cancer in Men which has dropped 15% Every other case of new onset So Called Smoking Related diseases have either remained constant or risen.... Yes there has been a greater percentage of Cure rates due to better treatments but New Onsets have not been reduced... If the claims were true we that Smoking Caused all these assorted ailments then we would see a parallel reduction in new onset of the claimed diseases... But we do not....

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

London, KY

#93 May 19, 2013
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: an engineer is not, a technician. they are, applied science specialists. and the technicians group, generally work for them. and engineer is a technologist, who applies known, verified, or possibly theoretical science for a useful means. the are scientists, in a very specialized field.
Hey he thinks the several Nobel Prize winning Physicists that state Man Made Global Warming is a Hoax are stupid so his opinion so my 30 years in the field designing the systems that make the things he uses everyday of course don't count...

After all from his posts he is a brilliant 10th grade graduate...

Since: Jul 11

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#94 May 19, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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Oh Yea I missed the Smoking Crap.... In the last 30 years smoking in the US has dropped 70%... With the one exception of Lung Cancer in Men which has dropped 15% Every other case of new onset So Called Smoking Related diseases have either remained constant or risen.... Yes there has been a greater percentage of Cure rates due to better treatments but New Onsets have not been reduced... If the claims were true we that Smoking Caused all these assorted ailments then we would see a parallel reduction in new onset of the claimed diseases... But we do not....
You are forgetting the millions who died from cancer before high tech detection was in place that are listed as natural causes on death certificate. In most cases we are living 20 yrs longer now than early part of the century.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#95 May 19, 2013
a PhD means nothing, when it comes time to perform. it's just a peace of paper, that gets you in the front door. and i have seen some without even an eighth grade education, out perform phd's with just plain common sense. and the problem with standardization, is it takes away the greater creativity. and i have more than five degrees, in various areas, so i should know by now.

most people have never worked for any government agency, let alone a top secret government agency. to even know, what the problem is there. they tell you what they want to hear, regardless of the scientific facts.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

London, KY

#96 May 19, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
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You are forgetting the millions who died from cancer before high tech detection was in place that are listed as natural causes on death certificate. In most cases we are living 20 yrs longer now than early part of the century.
Note the Last 30 Years I mentioned? I was not talking about back in the horse and buggy days....

By your view we should just blame every disease known to man on smoking... Reality is that in the last 30 years we have had a 70% reduction in smoking, we have not had a reduction in New On Set of the diseases claimed to be caused by that smoking...

Living Longer is not a issue with smoking because we have improved treatment of diseases that kill us... You can only go be New Onset for causation ...
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#97 May 19, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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Hey he thinks the several Nobel Prize winning Physicists that state Man Made Global Warming is a Hoax are stupid so his opinion so my 30 years in the field designing the systems that make the things he uses everyday of course don't count...
After all from his posts he is a brilliant 10th grade graduate...
rabbee: well if that is your picture, it looks as if you were educated in the older system. before the educational system got, corrupted with all this political crap. and i am no longer impressed with nobel prizes as i used to be. when they give out peace prizes to yasser arafat, carter, and obama.

for thirty years, nothing i did was for public dissemination. i can't even, talk about it to this day. and more and more i became disillusioned with government and science. in this world that has no idea, what goes on behind security encrypted doors.

got my first four year college degree, at the age of 19. seemed like such a proud moment. as an electronics engineering technician targeting small companies, that could not afford both a technician and engineer. never even dreamed i would, end up in the area i love most at the time - science.

because i was told, to major in something you could make the most money, and minor in what you love the most. and i do love pure science, but what they offer today is not science. it's how to present crap, to look good. good actors, do not make good scientist.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#98 May 19, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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Note the Last 30 Years I mentioned? I was not talking about back in the horse and buggy days....
By your view we should just blame every disease known to man on smoking... Reality is that in the last 30 years we have had a 70% reduction in smoking, we have not had a reduction in New On Set of the diseases claimed to be caused by that smoking...
Living Longer is not a issue with smoking because we have improved treatment of diseases that kill us... You can only go be New Onset for causation ...
rabbee: oh gees your, making me feel old. i remember the indian uprising of 1947. and the horse and buggy days, and cowboys with side arms on the wooden, sidewalks and hitching posts of the denver area. and it was a long days, horse ride from westminster to denver. and smoking was a scientific treatment, for the symptoms of tuberculosis. and gasoline, was outrageously high priced, at 9.9 cents a gallon.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#99 May 19, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
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You are forgetting the millions who died from cancer before high tech detection was in place that are listed as natural causes on death certificate. In most cases we are living 20 yrs longer now than early part of the century.
rabbee: no actually cancer was so rare, that it was well noted in the roman empire. resulting in the death penalty of, the burning of bituminous coal in rome. and the cancer rate has steadily risen from one in 50,000 then to about one in seven today.

and our law enforcement rate, has risen also from one in 50,000 to one in every 1000. but the crime rate, is still increasing also.

Since: Jul 11

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#100 May 20, 2013
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: no actually cancer was so rare, that it was well noted in the roman empire. resulting in the death penalty of, the burning of bituminous coal in rome. and the cancer rate has steadily risen from one in 50,000 then to about one in seven today.
and our law enforcement rate, has risen also from one in 50,000 to one in every 1000. but the crime rate, is still increasing also.
So we can blame this increase on fossil fuels as well ?
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#101 May 20, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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Actually that would be a Master but of course you would ignore the Nobel Prize winners, PhD's, Masters, Ecologists, Geologists and other assorted scientists I listed (All of which can be Verified as to their expertise) that disagree with the dogma of your religion ... while you B'Leve folks like this... Sad to be so deluded by a religion to the point of incompetence...
Actually, it would not be a Master.

You are a liar. You don't even have a bachelor of science degree. It's settled.

Why? Because you don't even know about the warming of the CO2 as I explained before. You are dismissed as another denier without science.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#102 May 20, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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Hey he thinks the several Nobel Prize winning Physicists that state Man Made Global Warming is a Hoax are stupid so his opinion so my 30 years in the field designing the systems that make the things he uses everyday of course don't count...
After all from his posts he is a brilliant 10th grade graduate...
Well, you post nonsense upon nonsense but you are dismissed already as liar.

You don't even know about the CO2 GHG effect.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#103 May 20, 2013
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: an engineer is not, a technician. they are, applied science specialists. and the technicians group, generally work for them. and engineer is a technologist, who applies known, verified, or possibly theoretical science for a useful means. the are scientists, in a very specialized field.
Please don't glorify a technician without a bachelor of science degree.

By the way, do you know about warming by heat-trapping CO2?

“ORLANDO STRONG (ACT OF WAR)”

Since: May 11

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#104 May 20, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Guess what? If you wake up, you'll find old lies were denied in courts and/or in investigations.
Come up to date; won't you improve your research?
They lied and they knew what they were doing when they lied and tried to cover it up AND YOU DUMDA*SES STILL BOUGHT IT!

“ORLANDO STRONG (ACT OF WAR)”

Since: May 11

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#105 May 20, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
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Well hang on, people have made trillion$ from fossil fuels that has now been shown is dangerous to our health and you want them to have the moral ground ? Are you kidding me or what.
The message of man's interaction with climate change was never a money making exercise and like when aids was discovered would you accuse the drug companies for going after a cure for that as well.
Everything you deniers put up is groundless crap that has no substance when the real reason is that you don't want change.
BTW that is the whole idea to fix the climate, make fossil fuels worthless and anything else that replaces them the new gold. So yeah there is money to be made by those who are smart
THEY LIED and TRIED TO COVER IT UP!! Good stewards to the planet ,yes but it is arrogant to believe that humans can alter the climate of a planet that is over 4.5 billion years old. Humans are fleas on a dogs a*s and when mother is tried of us, she will put on some frontline!
Islamic immigarnt

Podgorica, Montenegro

#106 May 20, 2013
Retired SOF wrote:
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THEY LIED and TRIED TO COVER IT UP!! Good stewards to the planet ,yes but it is arrogant to believe that humans can alter the climate of a planet that is over 4.5 billion years old. Humans are fleas on a dogs a*s and when mother is tried of us, she will put on some frontline!
Propeth Mohammed was Greatest Man of all times!!

He killed 900 Jews in one battle...

Good!!

I hope Iran NUKE IsraHELL!!

Allah Akbar!!!!

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