VA Senators Praise Online Sales Tax C...

VA Senators Praise Online Sales Tax Collection Bill

There are 68 comments on the NBC29 Charlottesville story from May 6, 2013, titled VA Senators Praise Online Sales Tax Collection Bill. In it, NBC29 Charlottesville reports that:

In Virginia, you are already required by law to pay sales tax on online sales, but this law would make it easier for online retailers to collect it at the point of sale.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at NBC29 Charlottesville.

Dude

Winchester, VA

#41 May 8, 2013
Lamer wrote:
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and your address can change. Also, it does not state in the bill that it is either delivery address or billing address. Many states already have laws on the books stating it is either billing or shipping address when it comes to internet purchases. But it is not uniform across all states.
And if you can get around a sales tax by using bitcoin, do you think that will increase its use? Do you think retailers would be more prone to accpecting digital payments if there is no sales tax?
and then you have digital goods and services. These are not shipped. Examples would be hosting services to digital music. Both very big business in the US. If i pay with a digital currency or prepaid card that does not have my address, they simply have no way of knowing the billing address.
And there also isnt a lot of info out there on when you would buy from a online retailer whom would be in another country. If my delivery center is located in mexico that ships to the entire USA, would you still need to send those taxes back to those states whether billing or shipping addresses? Is the gov going to close my website down if i chose to collect the taxes and not send it? remember that under those terms, i am not operating as a US entity.
The plain and simple is that the politicians do not have any idea the way technology works and expecting them to properly regulate it is a pipe dream.
the value of bit coins have dropped 18% in 80 minutes... A 5% sales tax doesn't sound so bad, and what happens when it increases 80 minutes after your purchase? You just paid 18% more for it
Dude

Winchester, VA

#42 May 8, 2013
Lamer wrote:
<quoted text>
i stand corrected, i have looked through it twice but could not find the relevent parts i guess. But with the no address found, it falls back to the seller. If the seller is located outside the US, do they still need to tax them?
the hierarchy is shipping address, billing address, than source address, and makes no provision for international sales, so my guess is no; if you can hide your shipping and billing address.
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You bring up an interesting point, how would this law be enforced for international sellers? If they get around it, and don't charge taxes, do they get a competitive advantage?
Dude

Winchester, VA

#43 May 8, 2013
the british lion wrote:
or the POLITICAL pig....THE BRITISH JUST WANTED "three cents on a 5.00 purchase of tea...238 years LATER .the NEW BrITISH want 30 percent of your income,and time , 6or more percent when you spend it, another 30percent of the profits on the stores profit and another 6percent if you RESELL YOUR AUTO ......and other 6 percent on a 5dollar cup of tea at teabucks. or 36 cents more.. THE BRITISH ONLY WANTED 3 CENTS... AND I THOUGHT WE WON IN 1776??. and guess what taxes NEVER, NEVER GO DOWN..
Actually, it was about representation and civil liberties, not just taxes.

Never? So I guess in your mind 90% is lower than 30%, clearly your not a math, econ, or history major.
Dude

Winchester, VA

#44 May 8, 2013
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>the hierarchy is shipping address, billing address, than source address, and makes no provision for international sales, so my guess is no; if you can hide your shipping and billing address.
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You bring up an interesting point, how would this law be enforced for international sellers? If they get around it, and don't charge taxes, do they get a competitive advantage?
*then source address

*bangdesk*
torch

Charlottesville, VA

#45 May 8, 2013
Dont you love hope take your change and shut up sez the government treasonous
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#46 May 8, 2013
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>There's nothing like investing in something so volatile that it gains and loses1000s of % in value in mere days, with a current inflation rate of 35% it seems like a good investment... Not. The ambiguous QE is almost comical. I have no doubt that some anarchist came up with to undermine central banks, but it's still commodity trading of non-intrinsic commodities , or in lay terms, a non-guaranteed fiat currency.
Mark Twain said it best, "there's a sucker born every minute."
Dude (not how I usually address people here), you’ve totally lost me. I have no idea what you’re talking about, so I’m at an uncharacteristic loss of words. You appear to be railing against our current international banking system, which treats world currencies, including the US dollar, as commodities that are actively traded and fluctuate in value accordingly. Beyond that, I don’t see how your treatise relates to my post, but perhaps you could help make it more obvious.
internets

Charlottesville, VA

#47 May 8, 2013
torch wrote:
Dont you love hope take your change and shut up sez the government treasonous
"hope and change" - this bill was introduced by 2 Republicans and 1 Democrat
Dude

Winchester, VA

#48 May 8, 2013
kuda wrote:
<quoted text>
Dude (not how I usually address people here), you’ve totally lost me. I have no idea what you’re talking about, so I’m at an uncharacteristic loss of words. You appear to be railing against our current international banking system, which treats world currencies, including the US dollar, as commodities that are actively traded and fluctuate in value accordingly. Beyond that, I don’t see how your treatise relates to my post, but perhaps you could help make it more obvious.
I quoted the wrong person... lamar and huck know what I'm posting about.
THANK YOU

United States

#50 May 9, 2013
i also would like to praise those , who have BLOWN AWAY 17,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo dollars . and now want to NICKEL AND DIME , society to death..........Actually, it was about representation and civil liberties, not just taxes.

Never? So I guess in your mind 90% is lower than 30%, clearly your not a math, econ, or history major. AND NEITHER ARE YOU.......... WRONG ,TAX BREATH . ITS ABOUT BEING A TAX PIG , ITS ABOUT a society thats floundering, its about leaders that cant lead AND MAKING DEBT THEY CANT PAY..AND DUMB BELLS LIKE YOU
THANK YOU

United States

#51 May 9, 2013
APPROXIMATE VALUE OF NYSE...It's difficult to answer this question because the NYSE is made up of thousands (~3000) companies with some constantly going public or private (into and out of the NYSE). The rough total of the market at this time is $15 trillion. WIKI .......that means that WASHINGTON POLITICIANS have lost more money than

the value of every stock on the NYSE... NOW THAT IS REALLY PHKN BRILLIANT
uh huh

Buckingham, VA

#52 May 9, 2013
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>the value of bit coins have dropped 18% in 80 minutes... A 5% sales tax doesn't sound so bad, and what happens when it increases 80 minutes after your purchase? You just paid 18% more for it
lol you're still talking about bit coins. I laughed at that. Thanks.
uh huh

Buckingham, VA

#53 May 9, 2013
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>There's nothing like investing in something so volatile that it gains and loses1000s of % in value in mere days, with a current inflation rate of 35% it seems like a good investment... Not. The ambiguous QE is almost comical. I have no doubt that some anarchist came up with to undermine central banks, but it's still commodity trading of non-intrinsic commodities , or in lay terms, a non-guaranteed fiat currency.
Mark Twain said it best, "there's a sucker born every minute."
I too, have no idea what you're trying to say in this post.
uh huh

Buckingham, VA

#54 May 9, 2013
THANK YOU wrote:
APPROXIMATE VALUE OF NYSE...It's difficult to answer this question because the NYSE is made up of thousands (~3000) companies with some constantly going public or private (into and out of the NYSE). The rough total of the market at this time is $15 trillion. WIKI .......that means that WASHINGTON POLITICIANS have lost more money than
the value of every stock on the NYSE... NOW THAT IS REALLY PHKN BRILLIANT
This is where you show your ignorance. To YOU it seems like they "lost" all that money. In reality, THEY didn't lose anything and that is why the system has reached this point.
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#55 May 9, 2013
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>I quoted the wrong person... lamar and huck know what I'm posting about.
Thanks, Dude. Your confidence in lamar and huck is reassuring.
Captain Obvious

Charlottesville, VA

#56 May 9, 2013
Of course they praise more tax being collected. Kaine and Warner both masterb8 using hundred dollar bills!

Seriously though, There are plenty of very small web based businesses out there with a handfull of employees. What small business has any reasonable hope of collecting, reporting, and paying collected taxes for the over 9000 state and local governments that levy sales taxes in the US? That's over 1300 bucks a month to mail a single page report to tell the majority of them "Sorry, no tax for you this month!" when some little mom and pop shop web based business doesn't sell a widget to their someone jurisdiction.

The left keeps trying to apply "common sense" to all heir arguments whether it actually applies or not.

Stop the crazy train.
THANK YOU

United States

#57 May 9, 2013
does everybody in virginia HAVE THEIR HEAD UP THEIR ... or work for sam???????a debt of 16 trillion means you spent 16 trillion more . and according to WIKI ANSWERS the nyse is worth 15 trillion.. which means they have SPENT THE VALUE OF EVERY STOCK OF THE NYSE..
Realist

Buckingham, VA

#58 May 9, 2013
THANK YOU wrote:
does everybody in virginia HAVE THEIR HEAD UP THEIR ... or work for sam???????a debt of 16 trillion means you spent 16 trillion more . and according to WIKI ANSWERS the nyse is worth 15 trillion.. which means they have SPENT THE VALUE OF EVERY STOCK OF THE NYSE..
When the fed keeps pumping QE into the market then the debt figure doesn't matter. It's a giant bubble, have you not figured that out yet? Evenually it will all pop. Just buy as much gold as you can an be quiet.
hondacivic

Charlottesville, VA

#59 May 9, 2013
Captain Obvious wrote:
Of course they praise more tax being collected. Kaine and Warner both masterb8 using hundred dollar bills!
Seriously though, There are plenty of very small web based businesses out there with a handfull of employees. What small business has any reasonable hope of collecting, reporting, and paying collected taxes for the over 9000 state and local governments that levy sales taxes in the US? That's over 1300 bucks a month to mail a single page report to tell the majority of them "Sorry, no tax for you this month!" when some little mom and pop shop web based business doesn't sell a widget to their someone jurisdiction.
The left keeps trying to apply "common sense" to all heir arguments whether it actually applies or not.
Stop the crazy train.
The process is not as complicated as you are making it seem. The bill clearly states that it does not apply to intrastate sales. Which means that a business doesn't collect the tax for any sales from someone else in the state that the business is located. There are several state that already require a business to tax an onine sale for residents of that state.

A business will not really have any additional burden of keeping records. The tax collected only goes to the state(or locality if their locality also requires a tax) that the business is located. The business doesn't have to collect and send the taxes to the state that the purchase is being made from, only the state the business is located. If you are traveling and stop for gas or food in another state, does the gas station or restaurant ask you where you are from so they can calculte the taxes and see where to send them to?

It is basically just leveling the playing field. So taxes are collected on all sales instead of just ones made in-person.
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#60 May 9, 2013
hondacivic wrote:
<quoted text>
The process is not as complicated as you are making it seem. The bill clearly states that it does not apply to intrastate sales. Which means that a business doesn't collect the tax for any sales from someone else in the state that the business is located. There are several state that already require a business to tax an onine sale for residents of that state.
A business will not really have any additional burden of keeping records. The tax collected only goes to the state(or locality if their locality also requires a tax) that the business is located. The business doesn't have to collect and send the taxes to the state that the purchase is being made from, only the state the business is located. If you are traveling and stop for gas or food in another state, does the gas station or restaurant ask you where you are from so they can calculte the taxes and see where to send them to?
It is basically just leveling the playing field. So taxes are collected on all sales instead of just ones made in-person.
I wish it were as simple as “basically just leveling the playing field…so taxes are collected on all sales instead of just ones made in-person.” The fact is that there’s absolutely nothing “level” about the way states collect sales taxes and the new law is nothing more than a big money grab, a windfall for states with no additional work involved since all the work is done by businesses required to calculate, collect report and send taxes to the sate. The playing field is now TILTED, NOT LEVEL, to roll a huge amount of new money from consumers’ pockets to states’ coffers.

Pretty slick! What next?
Captain Obvious

Charlottesville, VA

#61 May 9, 2013
hondacivic wrote:
<quoted text>
...a business doesn't collect the tax for any sales from someone else in the state that the business is located...
Oh, so you leave one state out. That makes it only 98%(49/50... marginally more if you count 57 states like Mr Obama) as complex as I described. Thank you for clearing that up!

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