Atheists on the march in America

Atheists on the march in America

There are 70634 comments on the TurkishPress.com story from Aug 26, 2009, titled Atheists on the march in America. In it, TurkishPress.com reports that:

When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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Since: Jul 10

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#71983 May 6, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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No argument in support of your myth (prime mover).
Therefore, the "prime mover" is false, by default.
I agree with you that "prime mover" is false, at least based on evidence, however, I would take issue with using whatever John says or doesn't say as a means to arrive at that conclusion. He just hasn't given me reason to put that much value in what he posts.

It seems John is much like Brian, kind of like a scratched up record which keeps playing the same thing over and over, and the part being played makes no sense.

There I manage to assault two posters in one post, and I have said before that I won't do that anymore. Tsk tsk.

Since: Jul 10

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#71984 May 6, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
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I'm just twisted that way boots! ;) Pray for me. LOL
I enjoy baiting him and watching him leap to respond just like a little puppy.
I can honestly say I bypass all of his posts.
Scan to 'last, there's our little puppy!
Woof!
If I was a believer, I would already be praying for you, Imhotep.:)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#71985 May 6, 2013
boooots wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree with you that "prime mover" is false, at least based on evidence, however, I would take issue with using whatever John says or doesn't say as a means to arrive at that conclusion. He just hasn't given me reason to put that much value in what he posts.
It seems John is much like Brian, kind of like a scratched up record which keeps playing the same thing over and over, and the part being played makes no sense.
There I manage to assault two posters in one post, and I have said before that I won't do that anymore. Tsk tsk.
:D

I take no offense at anything anyone says--regardless of who they are.

It is not worth my self-esteem to allow strangers that much control over my feelings.

I learned a long time ago, that we humans can >>own<< our own feelings, or? We can give them away, and allow other folk to control them-- and us. In the latter case, we become victims of our own neglect; permitting other people both direct and indirect control over our own self identity.

It's not easy at first to own your own feelings; but with practice, it does become possible.

After some practice, you soon realize that there is nothing at all, that anyone can say, that will affect you in the least-- unless you choose to be affected.

It is a rather powerful point of view. Unfortunately, your average theist is too often a victim of giving away their self-worth--to the leaders of whichever cult they find themselves trapped in.

Which makes it that much harder for them to see the writing on the wall... or the elephant in the room (or some other metaphor describing the non-reality of their theism).

Sad, really.

... yeah... I know... the last sentence-fragment is ironic, in light of my earlier statements.

:D

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#71986 May 6, 2013
boooots wrote:
<quoted text>
If I was a believer, I would already be praying for you, Imhotep.:)
Well, even as a non-believer, you still could-- it would be exactly as effective as if you still believed in it.

That is, the efficacy of prayers is not changed at all, by the mental world-view of the person doing the praying--

-- it still fails at the same rate.

<laughing>
Imhotep

Windermere, FL

#71987 May 6, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, even as a non-believer, you still could-- it would be exactly as effective as if you still believed in it.
That is, the efficacy of prayers is not changed at all, by the mental world-view of the person doing the praying--
-- it still fails at the same rate.
<laughing>
Oh no ! my hopes have been dashed
Stoned into oblivion

Krishna has a better deal anyway

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#71988 May 6, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
Atheist do not want another other beliefs on "Their" threads
LOL
Politically this is one of the reasons people generally do not vote for atheists as defined by the intolerant.
Atheists love their own views but intolerant of other views.
Atheist in Power in Communist countries 1945 to 1991 enforced atheism but can't do it here.
Freedom of speech still exists in America
Soviet Communism lasted only about 70 yrs. Christian persecution began from the conversion of Rome to the early 20th century. That means that you folks have us beaten by thousands of yrs.
Imhotep

Sun City Center, FL

#71989 May 7, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
No one was <literally laughing out loud> in the Soviet Union when Atheism was enforced by the gun
Actually were laughing at you. U R funny!

WHY?

Atheism embodies no particular ideology, world view or dogma and cannot be justified as any significant factor in the activities of these people.

If anything, the lack of belief in a supernatural overlord leaves one to respect the importance of all of mankind peacefully coexisting, because unlike in religious doctrine, the penalties one may face for immoral acts are often levied in the material world, during the life of the perpetrator.

Indeed to the founder of communist doctrines, Karl Marx (1818-1883), atheism, was just a stage on the path to communism, and it was ultimately "unreal" and "no longer needed" by socialism and communism.

This is what Karl Marx himself said about atheism: "Atheism as a denial of this unreality; has no longer any meaning, for atheism is a denial of God and tries to assert through this negation the existence of man; but socialism as such no longer needs this mediation."

Consider this statement carefully!

If Karl Marx, the intellectual founder of Marxism and communism, repudiated atheism as meaningless and no longer needed, how then could atheism be considered the cause of the atrocities committed under communism?

Next?

PS:And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.--Exodus 33:23
John

United States

#71991 May 10, 2013
You make the presupposition that there is no evidence without admitting you do not have the scientifically measurable evidence to support your position of nothing. You have placed limits on what may be limitless. You have placed limits where they need not be. Thus far I have seen no evidence provided by an atheist that would support what is disingenuously called natural mechanisms only. If you think there isn't evidence of design you would be wrong. Admittedly, this can not be proven using your constricting criteria, but nothing in this arena has been proven using this standard. You know this by now. That is why it is so frustrating to the forum when it's pointed out. Judging by the ever-growing anecdotal evidence of this forum overwhelmingly congregated by atheists, atheism is something else entirely. There is a large contingent of antitheists, a portion devoted to secular humanism, and some interplay with other assorted isms. The common denominator is that every single one of these positions is lacking in evidence. The notion that man is the be all end all is flawed in my opinion. Of course you wish to shirk any burden of proof. That's transparent and shows a weak position. Atheism has been co-opted by the new atheist. Much more vocal and commited to breaking down the populace writ large that actually do have a position. I've given more than enough opportunity for atheists to engage in debate that is not circular. The brilliance and weakness of atheism is no accountability. That's why it's not challenging to debate this topic with you loons. Apologies to the few that aren't driven by more than uncertainty. When Reagan debated Gorbachev on our nuclear arsenals each man had a position. If there was a political debate the political atheist would attack the other position and not have to be responsible for one himself. If one football team was atheist and the other was not they would have the ball on offense the whole game. Fumble, and the ball would be returned. This is what you ask for here, but is unacceptable in every other topic. I'm conservative btw. A rational freethinker. I'm sure you are a centrist LOL. What's the mushy middle ithought on government size, abortion, tax rates?
If there isn't a position don't bother responding. How is the fence Bob, Septic, Tinkling,,,,? You got the post wedged good and deep yet? Stump an antitheist! Ask it what it believes. Still going strong 69,110 posts in.
Still nothing about atheism in the atheist forum. No position, no post #. Lies, spin, ad hominem, and boredom.
Waiting for an example of what passes the cut for evidence from atheists. Cowards!
John

United States

#71992 May 10, 2013
I contend the preponderance of evidence lies on the side of a prime mover vs any other accountable position of belief. Your entire forum is a nothing farce. I love watching you fight so hard for a supposed nonclaim.
Your whole narrative is reliant on God to have a voice. Logic and rationality are lost on liberal atheists. Do you have an example of evidence that meets the criteria you hold others accountable to?
How does a bigot measure the evidence for the following possibilities: prime mover, always was, something from nothing. Show your work.
You can't even make up an accountable position to debate vs a prime mover. The reason your forum won't engage is they realize just how futile their nonposition is.
Debate nothing with your other personalities. I don't debate nothing Stumpy.3
John

United States

#71993 May 10, 2013
Absolutely. Right back at ya. Originally I simply asked the forum what they believed and noted that antitheism is in my experience all too often the default. Being a believer is/was irrelevant. I was accurate and antitheists showed their true colors, lashing out against a God they don't believe in and a God I was not attempting to shove down their throats.
Ruling out possibilities is not freethinking. We don't know what we don't know. Attacking/marginalizing belief isn't intellectually honest when nothing meets the repeatable and observable standard. Four years of no evidence in the atheism forum is enough for me to conclude this. I've asked the question hundreds of times and many claim to have provided it, but that's a lie. No sugarcoating it.
The conversation devolved quickly as (the way I see it) their was a group attack effort to bring this God they seem to hate into the equation. This did not dissuade me as I chose to stay on point. I was clear my intentions were not to make any claims, I was and am simply pointing out intellectual dishonesty.
I continued trying to get the "rules" for evidence after all attempts to get answers to legitimate questions failed. I sought these rules in response to the neverending attacks to further expose the forum. I offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief that meets the criteria I was given. This challenge was not accepted. There will be claims otherwise but I guarrantee you won't find what I've asked. Now imagine doing this dance for four years simply because I refuse to debate nothing. I didn't set out to mock simple disbelief, that fine but this isn't that and I think you know it.
Name a subject I get to ask all the questions on and your job is to defend it, over and over and over and over again. How about science? Get my point? It's even more ridiculous considering I've exposed the standard. Remember my question regarding evidence quantification? Never answered relevantly.
Nonbelievers like yourself leave pretty quickly and they should. You may find it glib but what is the point of a forum about nothing? This is an agenda that stifles true freethought.
A simple I don't know...end forum would have sufficed. Now its a game to me to see how many years this forum will be intellectualy dishonest in their fight for nothing.
I appreciate your consideration but I've done this multiple times with decent folk like yourself. I won't debate in front of the kids without the reasonable prerequisites I've asked for. A simple no to my question should have been the response years ago LOL. Back to cut and paste. Yawn.
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
You weren't saying?8
John

United States

#71994 May 10, 2013
Another day of ineptitude from the antitheists.*Note to lurkers* They have gone almost four years without giving one accountable position they are willing to debate. Four years without an example of evidence that meets their criteria for evidence. These are angry agenda driven folks that don't give a damn about the evidence.
If you want to subject yourself to this farce by all means see for yourself. Antitheists you could also just cut and paste one of the 69,113 posts to show otherwise.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe. True
science that is repeatable and observable.
Thinking

UK

#71995 May 10, 2013
I believe your lot f**k choirboys and you protect paedophiles.
John wrote:
Ask them what they believe. True
science that is repeatable and observable.
John

United States

#71996 May 10, 2013
Nothing about atheism there. Come on out puppets and reveal your magic science!
Thinking

UK

#71997 May 10, 2013
So you don't deny f**king choirboys and protecting paedophiles.

You're noncing for jeebus.
John wrote:
Nothing about atheism there. Come on out puppets and reveal your magic science!
John

United States

#71998 May 10, 2013
No evidence that meets your own criteria.
No accountable position of belief.

March, march, hate that God. Freethinking? Pfft.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#71999 May 10, 2013
John wrote:
I contend the preponderance of evidence lies on the side of a prime mover vs any other accountable position of belief. Your entire forum is a nothing farce. I love watching you fight so hard for a supposed nonclaim.
Your whole narrative is reliant on God to have a voice. Logic and rationality are lost on liberal atheists. Do you have an example of evidence that meets the criteria you hold others accountable to?
How does a bigot measure the evidence for the following possibilities: prime mover, always was, something from nothing. Show your work.
You can't even make up an accountable position to debate vs a prime mover. The reason your forum won't engage is they realize just how futile their nonposition is.
Debate nothing with your other personalities. I don't debate nothing Stumpy.3
Is the above an actual.... ARGUMENT? No?

Interesting: There is no getting around this: you have religious brain damage.

So severe, you cannot learn anything.

Pathetic.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#72000 May 10, 2013
John wrote:
No evidence that meets your own criteria.
No accountable position of belief.
March, march, hate that God. Freethinking? Pfft.
Is the above an actual.... ARGUMENT? No?

Interesting: There is no getting around this: you have religious brain damage.

So severe, you cannot learn anything.

Pathetic.
John

United States

#72001 May 10, 2013
Good to see you are still deflecting your nothing and projecting to the something. Magic science!

You skipped the questions by the way.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#72002 May 11, 2013
John wrote:
Absolutely. Right back at ya. Originally I simply asked the forum what they believed and noted that antitheism is in my experience all too often the default. Being a believer is/was irrelevant. I was accurate and antitheists showed their true colors, lashing out against a God they don't believe in and a God I was not attempting to shove down their throats.
Ruling out possibilities is not freethinking. We don't know what we don't know. Attacking/marginalizing belief isn't intellectually honest when nothing meets the repeatable and observable standard. Four years of no evidence in the atheism forum is enough for me to conclude this. I've asked the question hundreds of times and many claim to have provided it, but that's a lie. No sugarcoating it.
The conversation devolved quickly as (the way I see it) their was a group attack effort to bring this God they seem to hate into the equation. This did not dissuade me as I chose to stay on point. I was clear my intentions were not to make any claims, I was and am simply pointing out intellectual dishonesty.
I continued trying to get the "rules" for evidence after all attempts to get answers to legitimate questions failed. I sought these rules in response to the neverending attacks to further expose the forum. I offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief that meets the criteria I was given. This challenge was not accepted. There will be claims otherwise but I guarrantee you won't find what I've asked. Now imagine doing this dance for four years simply because I refuse to debate nothing. I didn't set out to mock simple disbelief, that fine but this isn't that and I think you know it.
Name a subject I get to ask all the questions on and your job is to defend it, over and over and over and over again. How about science? Get my point? It's even more ridiculous considering I've exposed the standard. Remember my question regarding evidence quantification? Never answered relevantly.
Nonbelievers like yourself leave pretty quickly and they should. You may find it glib but what is the point of a forum about nothing? This is an agenda that stifles true freethought.
A simple I don't know...end forum would have sufficed. Now its a game to me to see how many years this forum will be intellectualy dishonest in their fight for nothing.
I appreciate your consideration but I've done this multiple times with decent folk like yourself. I won't debate in front of the kids without the reasonable prerequisites I've asked for. A simple no to my question should have been the response years ago LOL. Back to cut and paste. Yawn.
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
You weren't saying?8
I speak for everyone when I say "Shut the f*ck up you stupid piece of sh*t with no proof of god"
John

United States

#72003 May 11, 2013
Pipe down squirt with no proof of anything in this arena. Your forum is a joke and trying to make your nothing relevant is bat shit crazy. Bigots that have been exposed shouldn't open their mouths.

Nothing Bless the nothing puppets

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