The future of gun control

The future of gun control

There are 577 comments on the Newsday story from Apr 10, 2009, titled The future of gun control. In it, Newsday reports that:

What should we expect from the Obama administration and the Democratic Congress? Paul Helmke and Richard Feldman finish their debate.

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niel

Jamaica, NY

#1 Apr 14, 2009
repley to j.b. 4/10/09. j.b. please take you head out of the sand, i for one like target shooting and hunting, that is what i like to do and i ask you and others to respect my rights as i respect yours,to do what ever you like to do for recreation. and wake up to the fact that there are people out there who feel that what ever you have and have work hard for belongs to them, and they have the right to take it from you by any means available to them. like guns, knifes, baseball bats, etc. so please allow me, if i want to have a fire arm to protect me and my love ones. and the last thing you stated was i beleive something to replaceing the goverment by force of arms, you said that you don't need arms and that just there mear force of hundreds of thousands of citizens would succeed in this task. j.b. did you ever hear of world war 2, germany-japan-italy, and present day-china-cuba-u.s.s.r-n.korea -etc. they control there people by force of arms, while there people are not allow to have arms. i beleive it was thomas jefferson who said that a arm citizen is a must so as not to be controled by the arm forces of the country. again respect my rights as a respect yours. so take your head out fo the sand and smell the flowers. we don't live in a perfect world, i wish we did.

“Try an take 'em ya Varmint”

Since: Jul 08

Rio Rancho

#3 Apr 14, 2009
HR45 being considered by congress

A few of the highlights are:

•It will be “unlawful” to own a firearm without a license.
•Be required to submit a picture and thumbprint.
•Provide certification that the firearms are properly stored.
•Pass a written firearms exam which tests a persons knowledge of the safe storage of firearms in the presence of children, safe handling of firearms, risks associated with firearms, legal responsibilities of a firearm owner, and anything else the Attorney General deems fit.
•A release of any mental health records.
•Makes private sales illegal.
•Establishes a Federal Record of Sale system which records make, model, serial number, license of the transferee and name and address of the transferor.
•Provides for inspection of your home (fourth amendment violation)
•Reporting of lost or stolen firearms
•Notice of change of address
•Numerous other fun nuggets.

Here we go.
John

Valley Stream, NY

#6 Apr 14, 2009
Cravczec wrote:
HR45 being considered by congress
A few of the highlights are:
•It will be “unlawful” to own a firearm without a license.
•Be required to submit a picture and thumbprint.
•Provide certification that the firearms are properly stored.
•Pass a written firearms exam which tests a persons knowledge of the safe storage of firearms in the presence of children, safe handling of firearms, risks associated with firearms, legal responsibilities of a firearm owner, and anything else the Attorney General deems fit.
•A release of any mental health records.
•Makes private sales illegal.
•Establishes a Federal Record of Sale system which records make, model, serial number, license of the transferee and name and address of the transferor.
•Provides for inspection of your home (fourth amendment violation)
•Reporting of lost or stolen firearms
•Notice of change of address
•Numerous other fun nuggets.
Here we go.
A couple of the things on that list actually make some sense; reporting a stolen firearm, release of mental health records. But I wouldn't worry too much about this proposition getting passed; the pro-gun lobby has a lot more muscle than most who fear further restrictions give it credit for. Also, though there is a genuine desire on the both sides of the political aisle to curb the scourge of gun-violence that seems to plague our country more than most others, there is very little agreement on exactly how to attack the problem. The essays by the opposing authors illustrate exactly that. It doesn't seem likely that passing new "tighter" legislation on guns is going to happen without a long, dragged out fight.

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#10 Apr 14, 2009
Boris Goodenuf wrote:
In France we have a genetic j*e*w for a president. Put in his position by the same financial interests that put a kneegar up for president in your country. He is doing his best to take away what few arms we have left. God forbid you kill one of the black Muslims that have taken over every city in France. Much like what has happened in the US cities with the local savages. The time is way overdue for another Revolution in both countries. I look forward to watching madame guillotine working overtime on all of those who have sold out Europe to the Rothschild banking house. And there is no limit to the number of traitors whose heads will roll. If someone tries to take your gun one day, assume he will come back to kill you the next. The interesting thing is that if a few people take a stand, they will run out of gun confiscators very quickly. The trouble with people is that they don't know how and when to take a principled stand.
Nothing in France is like America.
First you start out with making religious remarks , ones a Jew , others are Muslim.
You have no principles.
That has nothing to do with firearm ownership.
The socialist of France wanted a welfare state and all the trimmings but when things go bad they blame everyone but themselves.
Go on strike to protest , as that is what the French do best but do not compare the prejudice nose in the air quiche eating France with the greatest country on earth.
Don't forget the great stand the French took in WW II when they handed their country over to the Nazi's.
Vichy Whine anyone ?

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#11 Apr 14, 2009
John wrote:
<quoted text>
A couple of the things on that list actually make some sense; reporting a stolen firearm, release of mental health records. But I wouldn't worry too much about this proposition getting passed; the pro-gun lobby has a lot more muscle than most who fear further restrictions give it credit for. Also, though there is a genuine desire on the both sides of the political aisle to curb the scourge of gun-violence that seems to plague our country more than most others, there is very little agreement on exactly how to attack the problem. The essays by the opposing authors illustrate exactly that. It doesn't seem likely that passing new "tighter" legislation on guns is going to happen without a long, dragged out fight.
Why not have the mental records released for people like you who speak with reckless abandon trying to destroy Americas Constitution ?
Rogue Government

Fellsmere, FL

#13 Apr 14, 2009
Gun control for law abiding citizens should have no future in our country...Period...

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#14 Apr 14, 2009
Fat Black Nun wrote:
<quoted text>
Typical dumb kwan. The guy is on your side but you have to rush to the defense of the very same joos who are ruining America. Who promotes gun control? Schumer, Feinstein, Lieberman, etc. Who promotes amnesty for illegal m/excrements? If the Germans won WWII the world would be a much better place.
Back to the middle east for you.

" if germeny won "

AMERICA WON !

America love it or leave it.
GunShowCensored

Phoenix, AZ

#15 Apr 14, 2009
Would strongly suggest that everyone take a look at their next perverse attempt at tyranny and usurpation:

From Homeland [In]Security:
http://rogerhedgecock.com/resources/HSA_Right...
GunShowCensored

Phoenix, AZ

#16 Apr 14, 2009
Fat Black Nun wrote:
<quoted text>
Typical dumb kwan. The guy is on your side but you have to rush to the defense of the very same joos who are ruining America. Who promotes gun control? Schumer, Feinstein, Lieberman, etc. Who promotes amnesty for illegal m/excrements? If the Germans won WWII the world would be a much better place.
Wow, just what in the hell are you smoking anyways? Whatever it is, you need to stop. The perverse "jews" that are attempting to run America are NOT true children of Israel. They are just phony imposters that can hardly be considered as even human. Real children of Israel despise them greatly.
Justifiably Bellicose

Atlanta, GA

#17 Apr 14, 2009
Rogue Government wrote:
Gun control for law abiding citizens should have no future in our country...Period...
AGREED!
Watching

Earlville, NY

#18 Apr 14, 2009
Gun Control will never work in this Country. Hooray for the NRA
stringysnot

Mineola, NY

#20 Apr 15, 2009
Watching wrote:
Gun Control will never work in this Country. Hooray for the NRA
You got that right! I, along with many other Americans, purchased their first guns after our socialist leader was elected (Look at the stats that show soaring gun sales after 11/4/08). I bought a shotgun, tons of ammo and have been going to the gun range ever since. Oh yeah, I also joined the NRA! If you dont like the decisions of myself and hundreds of thousands of others who are new gun owners, thank O'bozo, our fearless leader.

Thank you!
Fairly Certain

Germany

#21 Apr 15, 2009
Hey Now wrote:
The future of gun control will consist of being able to properly line up the minions of the tyranny in your sights and watching their brains splatter against the wall.
You must have read the DHS release. Oh wait, maybe you wrote it!
Fairly Certain

Germany

#23 Apr 15, 2009
Boris Goodenuf wrote:
In France we have a genetic j*e*w for a president. Put in his position by the same financial interests that put a **** up for president in your country. He is doing his best to take away what few arms we have left. God forbid you kill one of the black Muslims that have taken over every city in France. Much like what has happened in the US cities with the local savages. The time is way overdue for another Revolution in both countries. I look forward to watching madame guillotine working overtime on all of those who have sold out Europe to the Rothschild banking house. And there is no limit to the number of traitors whose heads will roll. If someone tries to take your gun one day, assume he will come back to kill you the next. The interesting thing is that if a few people take a stand, they will run out of gun confiscators very quickly. The trouble with people is that they don't know how and when to take a principled stand.
And another post to make DHS very happy!
Fairly Certain

Germany

#26 Apr 15, 2009
Fat Black Nun wrote:
<quoted text>
Typical dumb kwan. The guy is on your side but you have to rush to the defense of the very same **** who are ruining America. Who promotes gun control? Schumer, Feinstein, Lieberman, etc. Who promotes amnesty for illegal m/excrements? If the Germans won WWII the world would be a much better place.
And another!

Funny that the gun owners I know are NOT racist scum.

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#28 Apr 15, 2009
Fairly Certain wrote:
<quoted text>
And another!
Funny that the gun owners I know are NOT racist scum.
Well said.

Sh!t talkers come out of the wood work on the net.

We have many people who want either the First or Second Amendment but seem to forget the Fourteenth Amendment.
Boomer215

Anderson, IN

#29 Apr 15, 2009
John wrote:
<quoted text>
A couple of the things on that list actually make some sense; reporting a stolen firearm, release of mental health records. But I wouldn't worry too much about this proposition getting passed; the pro-gun lobby has a lot more muscle than most who fear further restrictions give it credit for.
Generally, it's the mental health care advocates, providers and the ACLU are the ones who have historically been the barrier to making mental health records availible to the government.

And while most of us would report a firearm that was stolen, what's the purpose of a law requiring it?
Are the police then going to really exhert themselves to find it?
Or is it their concern over returning stolen property when they find it used in a crime?

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#30 Apr 15, 2009
I forgot to say "fat black nun" (his name of the day" is using gun rights as a cover for an Islamic agenda.
David

Safford, AZ

#32 Apr 15, 2009
Boomer215 wrote:
<quoted text>
Generally, it's the mental health care advocates, providers and the ACLU are the ones who have historically been the barrier to making mental health records availible to the government.
And while most of us would report a firearm that was stolen, what's the purpose of a law requiring it?
Are the police then going to really exhert themselves to find it?
Or is it their concern over returning stolen property when they find it used in a crime?
This is only a precursor to a law that will find you culpable if your gun is stolen. You will have no defense. Obviously if it was stolen, you did not do enough to secure it.
Chicago Guy

Chicago, IL

#33 Apr 15, 2009
You know, the guy who just murdered those three cops did so because he was mad that "Obama was going to take his guns".

The level of extremism from the far right is rising, and poses probably the greatest imminent threat to our nation. Most Americans with guns do use them responsibly (and the SC just re-affirmed their right to have them) but the lunatic fringe of racist, xenophobic freaks in this country is becoming a real problem. Some of them are right here on this thread.

I have ZERO problem with mental health checks for gun ownership. And under the table sales at gun shows SHOULD be stopped.

If a gun owner is a law-abiding citizen exercising his Constitutional rights, he/she should be happy enough to go the extra nine yards to make sure his/her guns are registered and safely stored, no?

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