Moms make case for gun control

Mar 16, 2013 Full story: usatoday.com 9,284

Peg Paulson had never beaten a path through the halls of Congress before or met a U.S. senator's staffer or advocated for a controversial issue.

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spocko

Oakland, CA

#1356 May 6, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
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Have always found it interesting how demonrats defend criminals and tyrants. And then turn around and cry to have regular people disarmed so that they are unable to defend themselves against them. Can you please explain to me the justification for that reasoning?
domocrats support criminals and tyrants?
Your binary thinking is frightening but you do have the perfect right to be the most stupid you can humanly possible.

“Shall NOT be infringed!”

Since: Apr 13

San Jose, CA.

#1357 May 6, 2013
spocko wrote:
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domocrats support criminals and tyrants?
Your binary thinking is frightening but you do have the perfect right to be the most stupid you can humanly possible.
Hey traitor, care to explain what your masters are doing here?-

Feds Requested Targets With Children and Pregnant Women
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/it...

1.6 Billion Rounds Of Ammo For Homeland Security?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphbenko/2013/0...
spocko

Oakland, CA

#1358 May 6, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
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Hey traitor, care to explain what your masters are doing here?-
Feds Requested Targets With Children and Pregnant Women
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/it...
1.6 Billion Rounds Of Ammo For Homeland Security?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphbenko/2013/0...
Huh – the hell are you rambling about?

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#1359 May 6, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
There is no evidence that it was murder.
The FACT that he was arrested is evidence that it was murder.

Wipe your chin, Sonny.

Since: Feb 11

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#1360 May 6, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
1.6 Billion Rounds Of Ammo For Homeland Security?
(quote)
Published federal notices about the ammo buy have agitated conspiracy theorists since the fall. That's when conservative radio host Alex Jones spoke of an "arms race against the American people" and said the government was "gearing up for total collapse, they're gearing up for huge wars."

The government's explanation is much less sinister.

Federal solicitations to buy the bullets are known as "strategic sourcing contracts," which help the government get a low price for a big purchase, says Peggy Dixon, spokeswoman for the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Glynco, Ga . The training center and others like it run by the Homeland Security Department use as many as 15 million rounds every year, mostly on shooting ranges and in training exercises.

Dixon said one of the contracts would allow Homeland Security to buy up to 750 million rounds of ammunition over the next five years for its training facilities. The rounds are used for basic and advanced law enforcement training for federal law enforcement agencies under the department's umbrella. The facilities also offer firearms training to tens of thousands of federal law enforcement officers. More than 90 federal agencies and 70,000 agents and officers used the department's training center last year.

The rest of the 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition would be purchased by Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the federal government's second largest criminal investigative agency.

“Shall NOT be infringed!”

Since: Apr 13

San Jose, CA.

#1361 May 6, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Published federal notices
The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is looking to buy over 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition in the next four years for “law enforcement and training purposes”. The purchase of this outrageous amount of ammunition (about 5 bullets for each and every American) is causing many observers to worry about the direction of law enforcement in the United States .

According to a Forbes article entitled 1.6 Billion Rounds Of Ammo For Homeland Security? It’s Time For A National Conversation:

“Some of this purchase order is for hollow-point rounds, forbidden by international law for use in war, along with a frightening amount specialized for snipers.”

The article also points out that:

“At the height of the Iraq War the Army was expending less than 6 million rounds a month. Therefore 1.6 billion rounds would be enough to sustain a hot war for 20+ years. In America.”

Yes, 1.6 billion rounds is enough to sustain a war in America for more than 20 years. And all of this ammunition will go to law enforcement - to be used in America, against Americans.

Relevant fact: While 1.6 billion rounds are being purchased by the DHS, gun shops across America are reporting a “massive ammunition shortage”– meaning that it is becoming increasingly difficult for Americans to purchase guns and ammo . In short, in this post-Sandy Hook era, the general population is being stripped of its weapons while the U.S. Government is stockpiling an incredible amount of it. There’s a noticeable shift going on here.

Other Police State Measures

The above Forbes article also reports that the DHS acquired armored vehicles that were used in Iraq and Afghanistan to be used in U.S. streets. They are already being spotted in some American cities. These war vehicles are designed “to withstand IEDs, mine blasts, and 50 caliber hits to bullet-proof glass”. Furthermore, they have gun ports, which mean that people in the tanks can shoot at people outside. Are those really needed for “law enforcement” against American people?
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/04/...

“Shall NOT be infringed!”

Since: Apr 13

San Jose, CA.

#1362 May 6, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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(quote)
Published federal notices about the ammo buy have agitated conspiracy theorists since the fall. That's when conservative radio host Alex Jones spoke of an "arms race against the American people" and said the government was "gearing up for total collapse, they're gearing up for huge wars."
The government's explanation is much less sinister.
Federal solicitations to buy the bullets are known as "strategic sourcing contracts," which help the government get a low price for a big purchase, says Peggy Dixon, spokeswoman for the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Glynco, Ga . The training center and others like it run by the Homeland Security Department use as many as 15 million rounds every year, mostly on shooting ranges and in training exercises.
Dixon said one of the contracts would allow Homeland Security to buy up to 750 million rounds of ammunition over the next five years for its training facilities. The rounds are used for basic and advanced law enforcement training for federal law enforcement agencies under the department's umbrella. The facilities also offer firearms training to tens of thousands of federal law enforcement officers. More than 90 federal agencies and 70,000 agents and officers used the department's training center last year.
The rest of the 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition would be purchased by Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the federal government's second largest criminal investigative agency.
And I'll repeat my previous question:

Why are you working so hard to betray We The People? To have our Constitution subverted. And to allow our government to do that which it was Constitutionally FORBIDDEN to do? How much are your 'masters' paying you to work toward betraying us in concentrated effort?
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#1363 May 6, 2013
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>Between the two, Zimmerman was the only armed adult in the area.
No, he was the only armed adult between the two parties. Still don't understand what your comment has to do with my assertions that Martin was indeed hiding behind the houses to attack Zimmerman.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#1364 May 6, 2013
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>I don't have a 'problem' per se with the case.
I just have a problem with people who've already drawn a conclusion based on the evidence they're willing to accept or deny.. or make up.
Well I don't recall making any evidence up. Anything made up is not considered evidence.

I have drawn a conclusion based on all I read about this case. Nothing wrong with that. It's not like I can see the trial before it happens. We all make our conclusions based on what we do know. It's just that I haven't seen or heard of any evidence that goes against what Zimmerman said what happened with the exception of where he said he was during the 911 call compared to where he said he was during the walk around. That can happen to anybody and it still doesn't turn a self-defense case into a murder case.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#1365 May 6, 2013
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>He's dead son. From a gsw. And as confessed by Zimmerman.
If not for that, you wouldn't have the current charges.
In fact, it's the whole point of the case.
Deaths come in all shapes and sizes such as murder, manslaughter, self-defense and accidents. Just because there is a dead 17 year old doesn't automatically make it murder. Or let me put it another way:

I'm driving down the street and some kid runs from behind a tree in front of my car and I strike him dead. That's not a murder just because there is a dead body. Now if this kid was on the sidewalk, and witnesses state I sped up, went over the curb to strike the child, that's murder.

So murder is not a dead body. Murder is an intent. And this is why I say prosecution has no business charging him with murder. There is no proof of intent to kill.

See, if Martin was walking along his merry way and Zim just took his gun and shot him for no reason, that's murder.
Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#1366 May 6, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
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No, he was the only armed adult between the two parties. Still don't understand what your comment has to do with my assertions that Martin was indeed hiding behind the houses to attack Zimmerman.
And yet, you offer nothing as proof other than your opinion.

That much is clear.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#1367 May 6, 2013
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>And yet, you offer nothing as proof other than your opinion.
That much is clear.
Not at all. I'm willing to consider all possible reasons why a younger-taller guy than Zimmerman was waiting behind those houses when he was only seconds away from where he was staying. Couldn't be because he was scared. Scared people don't attack the person they are scared of. Scared people call the police. It couldn't be because he didn't have enough time. Zimmerman continued his conversation with 911 for about another minute after he and Martin parted.

Since: Feb 11

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#1368 May 6, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
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The Department of Homeland Security
Waitress: Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam; spam bacon sausage and spam; spam egg spam spam bacon and spam; spam sausage spam spam bacon spam tomato and spam...

FLAGGED, GayDavy.

Since: Feb 11

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#1369 May 6, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
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And I'll repeat my previous question:
I repeat my previous question, GayDavy:

If you added up all of your aliases and then multiplied them twice times the days you have served, how come you still haven't lifted a finger to serve this country, you worthless freeloading mooch?

Since: Feb 11

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#1370 May 6, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
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No, he was the only armed adult between the two parties. Still don't understand what your comment has to do with my assertions that Martin was indeed hiding behind the houses to attack Zimmerman.
You also insisted that the pedophile only followed Martin for ten seconds.

And we have posted the map showing the sidewalk a couple dozen times showing the SIDEWALK leading to the BOY'S HOUSE run directly between the houses, and Martin had EVERY RIGHT TO BE THERE.

Why do you dodge the truth as if it were jury duty, YOU SPONGE?

Since: Feb 11

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#1371 May 6, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
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Not at all. I'm willing to consider all possible reasons why a younger-taller guy than Zimmerman was waiting behind those houses when he was only seconds away from where he was staying
He was on the sidewalk and the PEDOPHILE cut between the houses and the PEDOPHILE put himself between Martin and his home.

YOU m/f c/s lying sponge: do you remember telling everyone here that the pedophile only followed Marin for ten seconds, tops?

Since: Feb 11

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#1372 May 6, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
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Deaths come in all shapes and sizes such as murder, manslaughter, self-defense and accidents.
So do cowards and racists and pedophiles and the racist coward pedophile zimmerman now weighs three hundred pounds.

It looks like he is going for the TOO FAT to fit into prison defense.

“Shall NOT be infringed!”

Since: Apr 13

San Jose, CA.

#1373 May 6, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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tomato and spam...
"Here, then, every man,--whether native or naturalized, whether free or bond--for the provision comprehended every class and colour--every man capable of shouldering a musket, was required to be trained and armed, by our present Constitution; and the proposed to it, designates the militia as only to be for defence, and in this view Blackstone himself regarded the militia. The very second amendment to the Constitution of the United States, previous to which several of the States had refused to come into the compact, he begged to recommend to the attention of his friend from Allegheny,(Mr. Forward)--"a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Mark the admirable adaption of the language. There is said (Mr. I) an argument in it more than I could make in a year, all condensed. A regulated right of every man, to do what? To hear arms--and the Constitution says this right to bear arms "shall not be infringed." This "well regulated militia," which is "necessary to the security of a free State" is the right of every man to bear arms, and it is a right which "shall not be infringed." And when his friend from Allegheny said at first,(as he had understood him,) that the federal power absorbed all the rights of the states on this subject, he (.Mr I) confessed that he had felt himself excited almost to pugnacity. This right exceeded, was beyond the reach of the federal Constitution--it was supreme, above the supremacy of the Constitution--it was a right which the Constitution could not touch. It was nothing less than man's right to self defence, that power which could not be impaired by any power of government."

- Mr. Charles Jared Ingersoll, Oct. 24, 1837, PROCEEDINGS AND DEBATES OF THE CONVENTION OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA, TO PROPOSE AMENDMENTS TO THE CONSTITUTION, COMMENCED AT HARRISBURG MAY 2 1837 VOL. IV. Reported by JOHN AGG, Stenographer: Assisted By Messrs. Wheeler, Kingman, Draks, and McKinley. HARRISBURG: PRINTED BY PACKER, BARRETT, And PARKE. 1838.(Ingersoll served twice as a United States representative, first from 1813 to 1815 and again from 1841 to 1847. In between these terms, he worked as the United States attorney for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania from 1815 to 1829 by appointment from President James Madison, was Pennsylvania state representative in 1830, and in 1837, was a delegate to the Pennsylvania state constitutional convention. Over the course of his governmental career, Ingersoll worked with a few U. S. presidents such as James Monroe, John Tyler, and James K. Polk).

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#1374 May 7, 2013
spocko wrote:
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yes there you ignorant f-ing racist! According court records Zimmerman stated that "I would not have got out of my car without a gun"
How is ANYTHING I posted considered racist, you lying POS?

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#1375 May 7, 2013
spocko wrote:
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yes there you ignorant f-ing racist! According court records Zimmerman stated that "I would not have got out of my car without a gun"
SO. It was NOT illegal for him to be armed. He had a concealed carry permit issued from the state of Florida. It was not illegal for him to see where Martin ran off to. It was not illegal for him to ask Martin any questions. It WAS illegal for Martin to punch him in the face and then bash his head into the concrete.

And what "court records" are you talking about? This hasn't gone to trial yet. Got proof?

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