Moms make case for gun control

Mar 16, 2013 Full story: usatoday.com 9,286

Peg Paulson had never beaten a path through the halls of Congress before or met a U.S. senator's staffer or advocated for a controversial issue.

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#932 Apr 21, 2013
Be Fair wrote:
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Human error is something I touched on already, granted it just takes one mistake to take a life we all can't account for the stupid that would drop a loaded gun with I am assuming with the safety off in a classroom, let alone what the hell he was doing with it un-holstered and in a fanny pack of all fu@#ing places.
I am less sympathetic to the idiots that shoot themselves.

However: hundreds are killed by accident every year. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand what would happen if thousand more guns are put into public schools, e.g., in purses and fanny packs and handbags and left in desk drawers.

Missing: why wasn't this idiot arrested for the discharge?

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While legislators in several states are seeking to arm teachers or place police officers in schools, a recent incident at a high school in Highland, N.Y., forced the district to put its school resource officer program on hold.

According to local reports, officer Sean McCutcheon discharged his gun in a school hallway Tuesday while on duty at Highland High School. Though the circumstances surrounding the incident are currently under investigation, Highland Central School District Superintendent Deborah Haab said it was an accident.

"No students or staff were in the area when the weapon discharged, and no one was injured as a result of this accidental discharge," Haab told reporters and parents during a meeting Tuesday evening (see video above). "Moving forward, I'm sure the board will be having a discussion about overall school security."

The apparent mishap occurred near the end of the school day, at 1:38 p.m., while McCutcheon was patrolling the school.

Though Town of Lloyd Police Chief Daniel Waage refused to discuss specifics, the Times Herald-Record reports that Waage confirmed McCutcheon has undergone drug and alcohol tests as part of the investigation. McCutcheon was not expected to return to work Wednesday, and the school district's resource officer program has been suspended pending the results of the inquiry.

The incident highlights a larger question, part of the national debate among legislators, teachers and parents: Should guns be allowed in schools as a protective measure, and if so, who should carry them?

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While President Barack Obama and gun control supporters have expressed skepticism about staffing schools with armed guards, Chatfield School in Lapeer, Mich.-- like LaPierre -- felt that its students and staff would be safer with such security measures.

So school officials announced last week that they had hired retired county sheriff Clark Arnold to serve as Chatfield's armed security officer.

"It's a tremendous asset to the safety of the students," Chatfield School Director Matt Young told WNEM. "Providing a safe environment and an atmosphere where parents are comfortable, students are comfortable, and feel safe so that they can focus on learning."

But just days later, school officials revealed to The Flint Journal that Arnold had "made a breach in security protocol" by leaving his unloaded gun in a school restroom "for a few moments."

Young declined to comment to The Flint Journal on repercussions for Arnold, citing "personnel" reasons, but said in a statement that additional security measures have been implemented and no students were involved or affected by the incident.

Lapeer County Prosecutor Byron Konschuh tells the paper that Arnold likely will not face criminal charges because no one was harmed in the incident.

"It's almost like no harm no foul," Konschuh said.
serfs up

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#934 Apr 21, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Not from you, honey.
Here is a quote from someone who knows th US Constitution better than you:
"Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.[United States v.] Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons."
Justice Scalia
Speaking for the SCOTUS majority
this century
Turning men into felons must be defined before you take anything away from him/her. there are thousands of laws today and more being made all the time to dehumanize ourselves. This is a major impediment to anything you write or a judge you would trash 99.9% of the time. You guys made the nation a progressive utopia. They are arresting children in grade schools now because of your warped azz views on life mainly because if you are gay you have been screwed over. So these laws will continue until "we get it right". By that time there will be much less human life on this planet. p.s....many other people have been screwed over also. but trashing the constitution as the tyranny of the police state is increasing and will eventually be in full control is suicide. And for me, it is not that the police state will or will not be here. It is who will be picked to take the fall for a declining nation.

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#935 Apr 21, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> Turning men into felons must be defined before you take anything away from him/her..
You have to make your point earlier.

A felon is someone convicted of a felony crime.
serfs up

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#936 Apr 21, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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You have to make your point earlier.
A felon is someone convicted of a felony crime.
And there are thousands of laws that turn men into felons. To what degree does a man have a right or have that right taken from him. Does a teenager who has sex with someone under the age of 18 but close to it and who is willing the same type of felon that a murderer is? Not everything is cut and dried. The other thing is, once government sees it can "improve" laws passed, there are no ends to its interference. You know I write about Homeland Security. It is ten times worse then when started and will be ten times worse a decade from now. Government does not get rid of things it enacts to easily. Even if it becomes an anchor around the neck of the people.

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#939 Apr 21, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> And there are thousands of laws that turn men into felons.
No, people become felons when they break laws.

Laws don't go in effect backwards.

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#940 Apr 21, 2013
serfs up wrote:
Does a teenager who has sex with someone under the age of 18 but close to it and who is willing the same type of felon that a murderer is?
Having consensual sex with someone just under the age of 18 isn't usually a felony, dummy, and that is why they have judges who decide exactly what the appropriate sentence would be if it was a felony or if even it is considered a crime, based on a number of factors including difference between ages and if alcohol was involved.

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“Antisocialistic”

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Lake Charles, LA

#942 Apr 21, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>Those on the left believe that when confronted by a maniac, they are better off with no gun than to have a gun. Their flawed logic is that by having a gun to protect yourself, you risk that .075% you may accidentally hit an innocent person. Forget your odds of surviving with no gun. Although we rarely if ever hear about a story where an armed citizen shot or killed the wrong person, they are still brainwashed by the leftist politicians who are trying to get more control over the people.
Makes you wonder how mentally slow they have to be, to qualify as "informed", doesn't it?
serfs up

Ormond Beach, FL

#943 Apr 21, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Having consensual sex with someone just under the age of 18 isn't usually a felony, dummy, and that is why they have judges who decide exactly what the appropriate sentence would be if it was a felony or if even it is considered a crime, based on a number of factors including difference between ages and if alcohol was involved.
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Well idiot, there are people doing years in institutions and are felons for this offense. And on the same issue, there is a lot of smoothing out on it because there are many active teenagers below legal age with pregnancies and abortions to boot. Imagine the production from the coming FEMA camps we can get from them among others to keep the rest of us living well. we will move forward. Of that you can be sure.

“Antisocialistic”

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Lake Charles, LA

#944 Apr 21, 2013
spocko wrote:
<quoted text>You can not reason with a freaking gunloon - all you need to know is "down range" and your ready for anything the world is now safe again!!
That's what you got out of his entire post?
You learn a new term and use it in your made up paraphrase? It's hard to believe someone is so intellectually challenged, you have to put words in his mouth to try discrediting his statements.
Be Fair

Wahiawa, HI

#945 Apr 21, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Guns in brought into classrooms will result in guns being used accidentally and otherwise to kill children.
You know I learn to love to shoot while I was in High School. My high school in Hawaii, Leilehua High has a firing range on campus at the JROTC building. I was on the riflery team all 4 year in high school and we were the best of all the public schools winning the public school boys .22 cal title 24 times out of 30 years and our girls team was just a tough winning 12 titles in 20 years.
Air riflry teams wasn't as dominate but then again who would want to fire a pellet gun over a .22 anyway?
We would practice even during recess if the coach would let us. so maybe having guns in school isn't all tragic and death as you suggest it to be.
spocko

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#946 Apr 21, 2013
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
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That's what you got out of his entire post?
You learn a new term and use it in your made up paraphrase? It's hard to believe someone is so intellectually challenged, you have to put words in his mouth to try discrediting his statements.
He needs no help with discrediting and neither do you friggen looney toons. Your capacity for gullibility and stupidity is spectacular ...

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#947 Apr 21, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> Well idiot, there are people doing years in institutions and are felons for this offense.
No, idiot, kids are not routinely put in jail for having consensual sex with each other, perhaps if her daddy is a judge, he should be using a little more restraint.

If this were so: more than half the teenagers in the USA would be in prison right now.
drink The hive

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#948 Apr 21, 2013
Law

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#950 Apr 22, 2013
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
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That's what you got out of his entire post?
You learn a new term and use it in your made up paraphrase? It's hard to believe someone is so intellectually challenged, you have to put words in his mouth to try discrediting his statements.
spocko is a gutless tool.

“Antisocialistic”

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Lake Charles, LA

#951 Apr 22, 2013
spocko wrote:
<quoted text>He needs no help with discrediting and neither do you friggen looney toons. Your capacity for gullibility and stupidity is spectacular ...
Project much?

“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

Lake Charles, LA

#952 Apr 22, 2013
Law wrote:
<quoted text>spocko is a gutless tool.
Agreed.
spocko

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#953 Apr 22, 2013
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
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Project much?
Coming form a lunatic who buys gold and takes delivery of it – I dunno Forrest?
Taking possession and delivery of gold (or any commodity) is based on fanatical ideology not sound in investment strategy! Most people refer to gold as an investment; gold is not an investment because gold does not produce a dividend. And unlike other metals, Gold is money, and as money, its true value is measured by its purchasing power in relation to other assets. Unless it’s coin, to actually take passion of it is absurd! The only smart way to invest in gold is thru Exchange Traded Funds.

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

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Don't Tread On Me

#954 Apr 22, 2013
Ron Paul asks Ben Bernanke - Is Gold Money

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#955 Apr 22, 2013
spocko wrote:
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Coming form a lunatic who buys gold and takes delivery of it – I dunno Forrest?
Taking possession and delivery of gold (or any commodity) is based on fanatical ideology not sound in investment strategy! Most people refer to gold as an investment; gold is not an investment because gold does not produce a dividend. And unlike other metals, Gold is money, and as money, its true value is measured by its purchasing power in relation to other assets. Unless it’s coin, to actually take passion of it is absurd! The only smart way to invest in gold is thru Exchange Traded Funds.
Many stocks pay no dividend yet they are investments.

Any investment can be anything.

You can buy a house as an investment but a house does not pay a dividend in fact it cost money to hold it through property taxes ,insurance and upkeep.

Where did you learn about investing ?

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