Pastor Won't Testify in Same-Sex Cust...

Pastor Won't Testify in Same-Sex Custody Dispute

There are 405 comments on the EDGE story from Jan 25, 2013, titled Pastor Won't Testify in Same-Sex Custody Dispute. In it, EDGE reports that:

A Virginia pastor convicted of helping a woman and her daughter involved in a custody dispute with the woman's former lesbian partner was taken into federal custody Thursday after refusing to answer questions about others involved in the flight posed by grand jury investigating the custody case.

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straight shooter

Barre, VT

#365 Jan 30, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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If Miller, and her supporters, simply wanted to get Isabella away from Jenkins due to child abuse, then that would be their primary argument.
Yet their primary argument is about Jenkins' sexuality. Why?
she could not get VA protective services to do any real investigating????

she didn't really show up and defend...she kinda took off instead...
straight shooter

Barre, VT

#366 Jan 30, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
It's because miller AGREED to visitation in two different states and then ignored those orders. She didn't deny visitation, she agreed to it and LIED. That speaks volumes in a custody case.
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Is that like you lying that there were no allegations in this case and then admitting there were without admitting an error?

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#367 Jan 30, 2013
straight shooter wrote:
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you do get the investigated was opened in VA when the child was no longer seeing jenkins...and jenkins was in VERMONT?
Wow legal beagle you just made a valuable point. Now explain to all us non professionals how abuse can occur when the accused hasn't been around the child.

LMAO!

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#368 Jan 30, 2013
straight shooter wrote:
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you do get the investigated was opened in VA when the child was no longer seeing jenkins...and jenkins was in VERMONT?
You do get that this only bolsters the idea that Miller made it up?

The "abuse" was only alleged once Miller needed an excuse for her illegal actions.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#369 Jan 30, 2013
oops record.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#370 Jan 30, 2013
straight shooter wrote:
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There IS evidence, just not conclusive...
What's the evidence?
straight shooter

Barre, VT

#371 Jan 30, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Wow legal beagle you just made a valuable point. Now explain to all us non professionals how abuse can occur when the accused hasn't been around the child.
LMAO!
sure, the abuse occurred during visitation and ceased when visitation ceased.

see how that works?

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#372 Jan 30, 2013
straight shooter wrote:
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she could not get VA protective services to do any real investigating????
she didn't really show up and defend...she kinda took off instead...
Topix REALLY needs a bullshit icon.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#373 Jan 30, 2013
straight shooter wrote:
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she could not get VA protective services to do any real investigating????
That doesn't make any sense. Those allegations, if true, would be the main justification for the abduction, regardless of what CPS did.

Yet, they weren't. The main defense for Miller's abduction has been "So what? She's keeping her daughter away from the evil lesbian."

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#374 Jan 30, 2013
straight shooter wrote:
<quoted text>
sure, the abuse occurred during visitation and ceased when visitation ceased.
see how that works?
What's the evidence? Oh and courts won't accept you're obvious bias and animus as grounds for guilt.
So just because someone refuses to defend spurious charges made by someone who has consistently shown their dishonesty, they're guilty? That's what you're saying?
I'm beginning to see how your billing hours might work.(Oh and before you whine "Libel" again, and how I might besmirch your professional reputation, notice I said, "might". Google "hung by his own petard")

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#375 Jan 30, 2013
straight shooter wrote:
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sure, the abuse occurred during visitation and ceased when visitation ceased.
see how that works?
Yet you just said she didn't have access to abuse the child. See how that works?

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#376 Jan 30, 2013
The accusations of abuse were made separate from the court orders in question.

You are automatically protecting the birth mother, hypocrite.
straight shooter wrote:
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care to look into that lest you prove you are ignorant of fact yet automatically protect the lesbian...

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#377 Jan 30, 2013
straight shooter wrote:
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sure, the abuse occurred during visitation and ceased when visitation ceased.
see how that works?
Not really. Like I asked in a non hypothetical question. How can you claim abuse if the accused didn't have contact with the child as you yourself stated?

If you're so concerned about anyone besmirching your professional reputation maybe silence on your part is the solution!

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#378 Jan 30, 2013
In the COURT cases.
straight shooter wrote:
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dude, like TEN minutes ago YOU wrote this:
"In the miller case, there were no allegations of abuse"

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#379 Jan 30, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Not really. Like I asked in a non hypothetical question. How can you claim abuse if the accused didn't have contact with the child as you yourself stated?
If you're so concerned about anyone besmirching your professional reputation maybe silence on your part is the solution!
hmmm, still no response from the lawyer?

I'd like to think he took my advice but I know how much he hates gays and lesbians.

And as far as his professional reputation? Why else would he disregard Occam's Razor?

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#380 Jan 30, 2013
The investigation was conducted outside the court-order proceedings.
straight shooter wrote:
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no, I was merely showing how you assumed she did despite allegations to the contrary.
(allegations you denied were ever made until you informed yourself, no comment on that?)

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#381 Jan 30, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
The investigation was conducted outside the court-order proceedings.
<quoted text>
Why do I get the feeling Straight Shooter's Law Firm isn't on Angie's list or has a high rating from the Better Business Bureau?

Oh my. Is speculating on something I'm not sure is true grounds for libel? Or are libel laws "bad laws" as well in his world?

I hope his insurance company is monitoring all his e-mails and web activity. I've always believed those who abuse the system should pay a higher price than those of us who don't.

LMAO!

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#382 Jan 30, 2013
You can equate (which IS what you did) miller's actions with slavery, but that just makes you an idiot. There is, for instance, a difference between resisting an unjust law and deliberately disobeying a court order you AGREED to follow. You DO know there's a difference, right?

Then there is the constitutional issue--the one where miller denied jenkins's and the child's established rights.
straight shooter wrote:
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The limits of your ability to make connections astound me...
let me tie them together FOR you...
are there some laws that are justifiable to ignore?
now this part is going to be great.
slave laws and the underground railroad?
I bet you would have hunted down every last slave as it was the law to do so, you would have ratted out the underground railroad wouldn't you have?
see how easy it is to misapply the race card to paint the other person in a negative light?
All I need to do is equate Miller's actions to slavery and bam, you are a jerk...
funny part is, I know how silly it is to do that, but you guys actually think you made an argument when you do that...
so no, I never equated the two acts, I only use one as an example of a law you likely violated and felt JUSTIFIED in doing so...

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#383 Jan 30, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>hmmm, still no response from the lawyer?
I'd like to think he took my advice but I know how much he hates gays and lesbians.
And as far as his professional reputation? Why else would he disregard Occam's Razor?
still no answer on how someone who doesn't have contact with a child is guilty of sexually abusing said child.

Maybe Westboro Baptist should hire him.

Birds of a feather....

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#384 Jan 30, 2013
straight shooter wrote:
<quoted text>
sure, the abuse occurred during visitation and ceased when visitation ceased.
see how that works?
HMM. Accused molester has no contact with child as you stated but abuse occurred? Maybe you should look for another suspect?

Occam's Razor!

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