Congress sees immigration overhaul this year; Obama will make pitch in Las Vegas speech

[rick]

yes all should have paper
this place is for democracu

[Lubomir]

Memo From Turner wrote:

<quoted text>
In many countries you can not be a citizen unless you can trace your family tree to the time of independence. So what is your point? I of course would be fine with this interpretation, but the Constitution see things differently. Sadly you can claim citizenship because you were "borned" here, even though you do not think it applies to anybody "borned" after you.
Why are you quoting the preamble to the Constitution for no particular reason? You do realize this was written 82 years before the 14th amendment that you are talking about.Don't you?

Haters will be haters no matter what. You use your brain, they don't. Light enters the house only if the windows are open.

[Asian Guy]

Big-man wrote:

These lazy ass people try to blame everything on undocumented people. Point. Though undocumented, these people are willing to work, not sit and depend on the government and say hey I'm a citizen so I'm entitled to benefits. These people do actual work. You bastards are afraid because undocumented people come and work and live a better life than you people. They show y'all how money that is worked honestly can be spent to make life easy and comfortable. Some a you all can't even hang a picture frame on the wall but you cuss and criticize hard working undocumented workers. Oh I'm a citizen so must get welfare oh I'm a citizen so I must be lazy and get an easy life oh I'm a citizen so I must get a free phone. Get a f.,@&$ skill and go get a job and stop saying all sorts a shit about good decent honest people who is showing you all up as a bunch of no good mother!!!!

there are 6 BILLION "good decent honest people" out there. should we allow them all to have the chance to become american citizens?

just allow them all in?

what say you big man?

[dwg]

spytheweb wrote:

The house has not spoken yet. The senate is controlled by democrats who want to flood the country with illegal aliens. You notice there is no talk of law enforcement.
Any bill that comes out of the senate and goes to the house where it will pick up conditions like closing the 14th amendment birthright loophole, national E-Verify 100% of all employees and deporting any and all illegal aliens the government comes in contact with. Plus requiring a SS number to register for school. Any DUI by a illegal alien is a felony, procession of false documentation a felony and deportable offense.
Those are just a few.

2014The Republicans will lose more voters if they don't pass the Amnesty bill, it is democracy not tyranny

thanks
DWG

[dwg]

Asian Guy wrote:

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there are 6 BILLION "good decent honest people" out there. should we allow them all to have the chance to become american citizens?
just allow them all in?
what say you big man?

DWG Wrote:

XXI CENTURY ( Amnesty 2013 )

I am in favor all undocumented people in this country (amnesty) but I wanna explain , USA do not need 12 milhon undocumented in this country:

A) to pay in-come tax,

Note: USA print money every day, milhons, and milhons

B) to be a labor productive.

Note: USA can buy whatever they wanna.

c) to go to the army.

Note: USA have NUKEs.

D) never say " they can not deport 20 milhon...... "

Note : USA " yes they can "

So, by 27 years undocumented people in this country are like white mouse in the lab,(1986-2013), check this out:

1) they had showed what happens when you PASSED AMNESTY BILL (1986 republican Regan president ) without employers enforcement ( if they contract somebody without properly documents)

Note: 1986 -- Bill gates, Apple, linux or NASA did not have many tecnology that we have today, funny :-)

2) 27 years with illegal entry by south border means a huge black market for dirt guys.

A) smuglers
B) illegal guns
C) Money wash
D) prostitution
E) slave labor
F) desistabilization on mexico governament
G) human trafic

Note: many more, to open a big hole in american economy. I forget about those guys with expire visas.

3) scapegoat by Republicans at all american elections.. Just to promote bad guys in our powerfull body ( governament )

Now is time to fix this broken system , because many people death, sofer and cry just to enrich a few, bad busyness without a lider.

Thanks
DWG (pass the bill)

[michell]

Memo From Turner wrote:

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"closing the 14th amendment birthright loophole". Huh?
You consider a Constitutional Amendment to be a "loophole" that needs to be abolished, but then you make it sound like the end of the world if somebody else commits a civil infraction. You have zero tolerance for that, but the Constitution? Who cares about that thing?
You have to make up your mind. Laws are either important or they are not. You just can't choose which ones you think are important.
Stop debasing the Air Force.

.

Do you think of thousands of illegal us citizens living in México? Well they are and they are not criminals are they?

[Asian Guy]

dwg wrote:

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2014The Republicans will lose more voters if they don't pass the Amnesty bill, it is democracy not tyranny
thanks
DWG

really?

frankly, I believe in the coming 4 years, there will be more democrats converting over to republican or independent then has happened ever before in the history of the usa.

the democrats will have been in power for more than 8 years. and what have they done to resolve the issues with our economy?

blaming bush won't work now.

[Asian Guy]

michell wrote:

<quoted text>.
Do you think of thousands of illegal us citizens living in México? Well they are and they are not criminals are they?

who would want to be illegal in mexico?

only some crazies maybe.

[Asian Guy]

Lubomir wrote:

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Haters will be haters no matter what. You use your brain, they don't. Light enters the house only if the windows are open.

if someone enters your home without your permission, how will you feel?

love?

[Rico from East Los II]

Asian Guy wrote:

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who would want to be illegal in mexico?
only some crazies maybe.

Millions of Americans live in Mexico illegally.

1 Million illegal 'AMERICANS' living in Mexico?
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

[Asian Guy]

Rico from East Los II wrote:

<quoted text>
Millions of Americans live in Mexico illegally.
1 Million illegal 'AMERICANS' living in Mexico?
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

you know, rico.

if every illegal alien came into the usa with a million dollars to spend, I think I would not be opposed to them coming here.

from what I read, the numbers show that most illegal aliens coming over don't fall into that category.

and that's a big problem. wouldn't you agree?

we the usa cannot save the world. and providing an amnesty to an unlimited number of illegals just doesn't make sense if you think about it.

imagine if 100 MILLION or 200 MILLION illegals showed up on our doorstep when/if we offered amnesty?

there are over 6 BILLION non-usa citizens out there, rico. did you know that?

countries with billions of people in them are not doing so well. look at china and india. learn from what's around you.

for the usa to survive, we need to maintain quotas. that's the logical way to deal with immigration. that's the way most countries deal with immigration.

otherwise, you will have chaos.

[Cricket 23]

Judge: Immigration Agents Suing Obama Can Move Forward

Published January 28, 2013

Fox News Latino

A federal judge ruled that nearly a dozen federal immigration agents can move forward with their lawsuit against their own bosses and even President Obama over change in enforcement policy that the agents argue prevent them from doing their jobs.

Federal Judge Reed O'Conner ruled on Friday Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents' case has legal merit. They argue their bosses essentially have forced them to look the other way and not enforce the law -- thus overstepping Congress by changing laws through directives rather than legislation.

Judge: Immigration Agents Suing Obama Can Move Forward

Published January 28, 2013

Fox News Latino

Read more: http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/201...

[Cricket 23]

Big-man wrote:

These lazy ass people try to blame everything on undocumented people. Point.

Though undocumented, these people are willing to work, not sit and depend on the government and say hey I'm a citizen so I'm entitled to benefits.!

Example:

Illegal Aliens Receive Billions in IRS Tax Benefits

Friday, 23 Sep 2011 05:17 PM

By James Walsh

On July 7, 2011, the U.S. Department of Treasury's inspector general for tax administration issued a startling report entitled "Individuals Who Are Not Authorized to Work in the United States Were Paid $4.2 Billion in Refundable Credits."

No wonder the nation's finances are in turmoil.

******It is clear that unauthorized aliens are filing ITIN tax returns with fraudulent data.******

The Treasury report found that "One common type of
fraudulent refund involves taxpayers fabricating a Wage and Tax Statement (Form W-2) that shows excess withholding and results in a tax refund."

Read more on Newsmax.com : Illegal Aliens Receive Billions in IRS Tax Benefits

[Cricket 23]

Loophole!

Yesterday, Members of the House Ways & Means Committee voted 22-12 to stop the IRS from giving refundable tax credits to illegal aliens.

Last year, the Inspector General for the U.S. Treasury Department released a report revealing that illegal aliens annually receive $4.2 billion in refundable tax credits, primarily through the Additional Child Tax Credit (ACTC).

FAIR thanks the following Ways and Means Committee Members who voted to close the loophole:

Chairman David Camp (R-MI) Rep. Jim Gerlach (R-PA)
Rep. Wally Herger (R-CA) Rep. Tom Price (R-GA)
Rep. Sam Johnson (R-TX) Rep. Vern Buchanan (R-FL)
Rep. Kevin Brady (R-TX) Rep. Adrian Smith (R-NE)
Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) Rep. Aaron Schock (R-IL)
Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) Rep. Lynn Jenkins (R-KS)
Rep. Pat Tiberi (R-OH) Rep. Erik Paulsen (R-MN)
Rep. Geoff Davis (R-KY) Rep. Kenny Marchant (R-TX)
Rep. Dave Reichert (R-WA) Rep. Rick Berg (R-ND)
Rep. Charles Boustany (R-LA) Rep. Diane Black (R-TN)
Rep. Peter Roskam (R-IL) Rep. Tom Reed (R-NY)

******Members who voted against closing the loophole include:******

Rep. Ranking Member Sander Levin (D-MI) Rep. Mike Thompson,(D-CA)
Rep. Fortney Pete Stark,(D-CA) Rep. John B. Larson,(D-CT)
Rep. Jim McDermott,(D-WA) Rep. Ron Kind,(D-WI)
Rep. John Lewis,(D-GA) Rep. Bill Pascrell Jr.,(D-NJ)
Rep. Richard E. Neal,(D-MA) Rep. Shelley Berkley,(D-NV)
Rep. Lloyd Doggett,(D-TX) Rep. Joseph Crowley,(D-NY)

FAIR:

ABOUT FAIR

Headquartered on Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C., FAIR is the largest, oldest and most respected immigration reform group in America. With over
250,000 members, FAIR advocates for non-discriminatory immigration polices
that protect American jobs, wages, the environment, and national security.
As a bipartisan organization free from special interest influence, FAIR is regularly sought by Congress and the media for its objective analysis and for its fair, practical and effective policy solutions.

[dwg]

Asian Guy wrote:

<quoted text>
you know, rico.
if every illegal alien came into the usa with a million dollars to spend, I think I would not be opposed to them coming here.
from what I read, the numbers show that most illegal aliens coming over don't fall into that category.
and that's a big problem. wouldn't you agree?
we the usa cannot save the world. and providing an amnesty to an unlimited number of illegals just doesn't make sense if you think about it.
imagine if 100 MILLION or 200 MILLION illegals showed up on our doorstep when/if we offered amnesty?
there are over 6 BILLION non-usa citizens out there, rico. did you know that?
countries with billions of people in them are not doing so well. look at china and india. learn from what's around you.
for the usa to survive, we need to maintain quotas. that's the logical way to deal with immigration. that's the way most countries deal with immigration.
otherwise, you will have chaos.

Asian GUY WROTE; ..." we the usa cannot save the world. and providing an amnesty to an unlimited number of illegals just doesn't make sense if you think about it...."

Dwg wrote:

First: you Asian Guy maybe have a few guys in your slave labor!

Secound: take a look at American fault at last amnesty 1986!:::::: time to do the right thing ::::::

XXI CENTURY ( Amnesty 2013 )

I am in favor all undocumented people in this country (amnesty) but I wanna explain , USA do not need 12 milhon undocumented in this country:

A) to pay in-come tax,

Note: USA print money every day, milhons, and milhons

B) to be a labor productive.

Note: USA can buy whatever they wanna.

c) to go to the army.

Note: USA have NUKEs.

D) never say " they can not deport 20 milhon...... "

Note : USA " yes they can "

So, by 27 years undocumented people in this country are like white mouse in the lab,(1986-2013), check this out:

1) they had showed what happens when you PASSED AMNESTY BILL (1986 republican Regan president ) without employers enforcement ( if they contract somebody without properly documents)

Note: 1986 -- Bill gates, Apple, linux or NASA did not have many tecnology that we have today, funny :-)

2) 27 years with illegal entry by south border means a huge black market for dirt guys.

A) smuglers
B) illegal guns
C) Money wash
D) prostitution
E) slave labor
F) desistabilization on mexico governament
G) human trafic

Note: many more, to open a big hole in american economy. I forget about those guys with expire visas.

3) scapegoat by Republicans at all american elections.. Just to promote bad guys in our powerfull body ( governament )

Now is time to fix this broken system , because many people death, sofer and cry just to enrich a few, bad busyness without a lider.

Thanks
DWG (pass the bill)

[Cricket 23]

Rico from East Los II wrote:

<quoted text>
Millions of Americans live in Mexico illegally.
1 Million illegal 'AMERICANS' living in Mexico?
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

PROPAGANDA!!

[Cricket 23]

Memo From Turner wrote:

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My goodness.

Another person who did absolutely nothing to earn their own citizenship getting huffy about other people.

At least I didn't slip across a border in the middle of the night.

And I served my country for twenty years in the U.S. Air Force with 2 tours in Vietnam 1966 & 1969.

What have you and your illegal aliens friends/relatives done?

[Cricket 23]

illegal alien wrote:

We are maybe illegal, I am from indonesia. But we have tried hard to get here and working to support our family. Who doesn't wanna pay tax?? Don't blame it on us. We tried you know, but sometimes lawyer screwed you up big time, they don't care about your freedom, they only want money. We been here 13 years never took benefit from this county. We are proud to be american citizen, hopefully president OBAMA do something so we can prove this county thay we are belong here.

The line to enter our country starts inside the border of your own country,not ours!

The inscription at the base of the Statute of Liberty concludes, "I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" It says nothing about welcoming people who bypass our entry doors by climbing walls, swimming rivers and sneaking under border fences.

[Cricket 23]

Sindy wrote:

At least if we make them legal they will be paying taxes and will have to follow the laws as everyone else.

They have made it clear that they are not going to deport millions of illegals.

I support the states laws!

LOL!!!

Now who lied, Kennedy or Hacker?

Hart-Celler Act hearings 1965 Quote:

Senate immigration subcommittee chairman Edward Kennedy (D-MA.) reassured his colleagues and the nation with the following:

"First, our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. Under the proposed bill, the present level of immigration remains substantially the same ... Secondly, the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset ... Contrary to the charges in some quarters,[the bill] will not inundate America with immigrants from any one country or area, or the most populated and deprived nations of Africa and Asia ... In the final analysis, the ethnic pattern of immigration under the proposed measure is not expected to change as sharply as the critics seem to think."

Sen. Kennedy concluded by saying,

"The bill will not flood our cities with immigrants. It will not upset the ethnic mix of our society. It will not relax the standards of admission. It will not cause American workers to lose their jobs." (U.S. Senate, Subcommittee on Immigration and Naturalization of the Committee on the Judiciary, Washington, D.C., Feb. 10, 1965. pp. 1-3.)

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1965 Immigration act,

Quote: Among those who more accurately foresaw the future effects of the change in immigration law was a certain Myra C. Hacker, Vice President of the New Jersey Coalition, who testified at a Senate immigration subcommittee hearing:

"In light of our 5 percent unemployment rate, our worries over the so called population explosion, and our menacingly mounting welfare costs, are we prepared to embrace so great a horde of the world's unfortunates? At the very least, the hidden mathematics of the bill should be made clear to the public so that they may tell their Congressmen how they feel about providing jobs, schools, homes, security against want, citizen education, and a brotherly welcome ... for an indeterminately enormous number of aliens from underprivileged lands."

"We should remember that people accustomed to such marginal existence in their own land will tend to live fully here, to hoard our bounteous minimum wages and our humanitarian welfare handouts ... lower our wage and living standards, disrupt our cultural patterns ..."

"Whatever may be our benevolent intent toward many people,[the bill] fails to give due consideration to the economic needs, the cultural traditions, and the public sentiment of the citizens of the United States." (U.S. Senate, Subcommittee on Immigration and Naturalization of the Committee on the Judiciary, Washington, D.C., Feb. 10, 1965. pp. 681-687.)

Waiting..........

[Cricket 23]

Mayela wrote:

How proud y'all talk about them covered wagons headin' west and the cavalry killing 'em injuns.

Now that's funny!

LOL!!!

Mexico & The Scalp Industry

Between 1835 and the 1880s, the Mexican authorities paid private armies to hunt Native Americans, paying per kill and using scalps as receipts. The practice began when the Mexican government could no longer provide adequate protection to its citizens from the marauding Apaches and Comanches.

http://xroads.virginia.edu/~hyper/hns/scalpin...