Mexico concerned about U.S. bid to beef up border security

Jun 25, 2013 Full story: The Baltimore Sun 38

U.S. Border Patrol surveys the border fence near rancher John Ladd's property adjacent to the Arizona-Mexico border near Naco MEXICO CITY - The Mexican government on Tuesday voiced concern about U.S. congressional proposals to beef up security along the U.S.-Mexico border, saying it was divisive and would not solve the problem of illegal ... (more)

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Eduardo

Mexico

#1 Jun 25, 2013
I wonder what affect it would have on drug smuggling, weapon smuggling, and OTM immigration across Mexico.

Since: Mar 13

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#2 Jun 25, 2013
I think we should beef up security along the border to the big time. One of these days a terrorist will sneak across with a biological weapon or a small nuclear weapon. Then we will wish we had done something.

I'm sure Mexico doesn't want us to do it but that is their problem. I am tired of illegals getting amnesty, it doesn't work because in 10 years there will be another 10 million wanting it. This hurts immigrants from other countries that are trying to come here legally.

I liked the republicans idea, if you came here illegally you will never be allowed to become a citizen.
ronnie

Brigham City, UT

#3 Jun 25, 2013
Tough S#%T. Good fences indeed insure good neighbors. Meade doesn't want the drug mules to lose their route to this Country, he might lose money. The military and the BP better be allowed to protect our Sovereignty this time Around. Mexico should be billed millions for what The United states has done for their minions of poor leech'es using this Country to bank-roll Mexihell.
FACT

Port Moody, Canada

#4 Jul 7, 2013
Opala wrote:
I think we should beef up security along the border to the big time. One of these days a terrorist will sneak across with a biological weapon or a small nuclear weapon. Then we will wish we had done something.
I'm sure Mexico doesn't want us to do it but that is their problem. I am tired of illegals getting amnesty, it doesn't work because in 10 years there will be another 10 million wanting it. This hurts immigrants from other countries that are trying to come here legally.
I liked the republicans idea, if you came here illegally you will never be allowed to become a citizen.
you white you the illegal get off our land!youve been illegal since 1492 go back to Europe and fix your own economy!time for you to get back on your mayflower!
FACT

Port Moody, Canada

#5 Jul 7, 2013
Mexicans all the browns whether you be Punjabi hindu or Mexican DO NOT FARM FOR THE WHITE ILLEGAL TRASH WHO DEFAMATE YOUR CHARACTER DO NOT FARM ANY PRODUCE LET THESE WHITE VILE SCUM SUFFER IN FAMINE!whites call you beaners ragheads or towel heads its time to stop feeding the oppressors the dehumanizers and start feeding our own non white people ONLY!
Sirius

Querétaro, Mexico

#6 Jul 8, 2013
Eduardo wrote:
I wonder what affect it would have on drug smuggling, weapon smuggling, and OTM immigration across Mexico.
Drug smuggling will be the same, weapong smuggling will only change if Mexico starts to be less permissive and check better Amerians that want to enter Mexico.

Right now net yearly immigration from Mexico to the USA, is zero (although still 400,000 Central Americans, plus others, wants to cross yearly). But could increase to either side depending on economic conditions.

I don't mind the USA putting a lot of personnel in the border. Actually I think we Mexicans should do the same.
Sirius

Querétaro, Mexico

#7 Jul 8, 2013
I think we should beef up security along the border to the big time. One of these days a terrorist will sneak across with a biological weapon or a small nuclear weapon. Then we will wish we had done something.
This is a very good point.

Maybe one day Israel will try to detonate a nuclear device in a médium-sized US city and blame Iran, Syria or Pakistan.

I think that there are contraptions that detect radiation in the border. Mexico should do its own job and put several of these in the border to make double sure.
I'm sure Mexico doesn't want us to do it but that is their problem. I am tired of illegals getting amnesty, it doesn't work because in 10 years there will be another 10 million wanting it. This hurts immigrants from other countries that are trying to come here legally.[/quote]

Not all Mexicans think the same. I am for a more thight control on the border.

[QUOTE]I liked the republicans idea, if you came here illegally you will never be allowed to become a citizen.
I don't plan to go to the USA in the rest of my life - to much racism, rudeness and violence. I prefer to go to East Asia, South America or some parts of Europe.

But I support that idea. I think that the elimination of threats for Mexico will be great with a very controlled border.

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Serrano Red

Perryton, TX

#8 Jul 13, 2013
we need to get tuff on that border
Le trou de balle

AOL

#9 Jul 13, 2013
The border that has brought terrorist, spies, and gangs is your canadian border. But since they are your cousins you don't mind. Even your Boeing-fed airlines are bringing more danger to you than the Mexican border. A border that used to be in Texarkana (1492-1833), then you moved it by force to El Paso (1833), Then by military force you moved the border to Phoenix (1848), and finally, again by force you pushed the border to Nogales (1855).
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And even after your greed for cheaper labor and desire for drugs (and your stupid drive for selling weapons to others and force homosexualism on others), you dare to blame others for your fking imperialism, savage capitalism, and your trashed moral values.
Opala wrote:
I think we should beef up security along the border to the big time. One of these days a terrorist will sneak across with a biological weapon or a small nuclear weapon. Then we will wish we had done something.
I'm sure Mexico doesn't want us to do it but that is their problem. I am tired of illegals getting amnesty, it doesn't work because in 10 years there will be another 10 million wanting it. This hurts immigrants from other countries that are trying to come here legally.
I liked the republicans idea, if you came here illegally you will never be allowed to become a citizen.
Faith

New Baltimore, MI

#10 Jul 13, 2013
One word: Land mines.
Hola Isabel Coma estas

Danielson, CT

#11 Jul 13, 2013
Faith wrote:
One word: Land mines.
Land mines do not discriminate between men, women or children. That means anyone crossing the border illegally risked being killed. Do we, peace-loving Americans, really want to blow up people sneaking into our country? I can't speak for all, but I MOST CERTAINLY DO!
Concerned

Chihuahua, Mexico

#12 Jul 13, 2013
Sirius wrote:
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Drug smuggling will be the same, weapong smuggling will only change if Mexico starts to be less permissive and check better Amerians that want to enter Mexico.
Right now net yearly immigration from Mexico to the USA, is zero (although still 400,000 Central Americans, plus others, wants to cross yearly). But could increase to either side depending on economic conditions.
I don't mind the USA putting a lot of personnel in the border. Actually I think we Mexicans should do the same.
It is my understanding that it is not Americans smuggling the guns in to Mexico. Except that idiotic Gun Runner Program or whatever you call it. The Narco's set up and pay people to purchase the gun's, or they just buy them themselves. Sometimes Mexican American family members on the American side buy them and sell them to the Narco's. All the people that have been caught selling lot's of guns to the Narco's on the American side, again have Hispanic last names. Sirius, there is nothing to stop you from buying a gun at a gun show on the American side. If an ID was required all you would need is a fake ID. When they catch border agents on the USA side that have gone bad, it is always Hispanic last names. Many that are caught were once Mexican citizens. ALWAYS Hispanics!! I read the papers of the border cities.

When a drug runner gets caught on the USA side he heads back to the river while throwing big metal tire puncturing items on the road many times. Many Americans that live on the border at times get their tires punctured by these also. Once they crash the car into the river they just swim across and the US Border patrol can do nothing to them. Even picked up in a Narco boat. The river is a free zone for them. They would be foolish to drive guns through the border. They actually check cars entering Mexico on the American side about 80% of the time now. On the Mexico side it is just as poor of an inspection. If you have guns well hidden not much of a chance of finding them.

The military check points going North have no drug sniffing dogs. I find that incredible as they do work better then the agents at finding drugs.

All you have to do if you are a Narco is drive to the river and throw the weapons into a waiting boat. The Mexican side does not bother the drug runners that swim or boat back, so they would not bother gun runners either. From there it is just paying the right people, or going to an area where they have already bought off the local government. They call it buying the Plaza.

It does not matter what Mexico does to try and stop the inflow of guns, just like the amount of drugs that make it to the border on just so few roads that head North. It is pay-offs all the way. The ones that do get caught are not paying to get there drugs through.

There is a man here that grows Marijuana in the Sierras. He is a member of my married into family. Other crops are found and burned, but his never are. The guy has several houses all paid for in other family members names. He pays the the army a certain amount to transport his drugs from the Sierras to Chihuahua, by the ton's. The captain even provides his soldiers at times to harvest the crops or do other errands. They even at times drive the loads to Chihuahua for him. From there it is the new buyers problem of paying off people and getting it to the border.

Everyone in every Pueblo knows the exact houses and the names of all the dealers and growers. But no one ever bothers them. Even the authorities know where they live. I know 100% for sure. But so does everyone else and they talk about it because they know nothing will happen. I know of a long road that comes out of one pueblo that was paved by the Narco's. The small government made an agreement not bother them when they drive their drugs out to the main highways. The people like this arrangement, as they now have a paved road.

A gun making it South, is much easier then moving drugs North.
Hector

Austin, TX

#13 Jul 13, 2013
Of course they are. They may find it more difficult to export their unwanted masses over the border. It also may make it more difficult for the illegals from farther south going through and leaving Mexico to America.
Sirius

Querétaro, Mexico

#14 Jul 13, 2013
Le trou de balle wrote:
The border that has brought terrorist, spies, and gangs is your canadian border. But since they are your cousins you don't mind. Even your Boeing-fed airlines are bringing more danger to you than the Mexican border. A border that used to be in Texarkana (1492-1833), then you moved it by force to El Paso (1833), Then by military force you moved the border to Phoenix (1848), and finally, again by force you pushed the border to Nogales (1855).
.
And even after your greed for cheaper labor and desire for drugs (and your stupid drive for selling weapons to others and force homosexualism on others), you dare to blame others for your fking imperialism, savage capitalism, and your trashed moral values.
<quoted text>
And I thought I could say three truths in a row!!! XD
Sirius

Querétaro, Mexico

#15 Jul 13, 2013
@Concerned and @Le trou de balle ...

The political situation behind this expansión of security in the border is political and of economic interests...

US defense contractors are losing money, since the USA is going out of Afghanistan and Irak (Iraq in English), and money isn't flowing as before.

But behold: There is the Mexican border, and there could be spent dozens of billions of dollars in "security".

If I were American, I would worry that the money is not going to education, infrastructure and other useful things for society... But I guess defense contractors have better lobbies.

Note that this expenditure, will be done precisely when the net inflow of Mexicans to the USA, is zero, for the first time in 3 or 4 decades.

I as Mexican, worry for what I sould worry, and that is that my goverment (Mexican goverment) is not doing its dutties in many áreas.

The money to be spended in the USA, is USA money and therefore I cannot critisize that... but I feel the duty to say, that the current economic situation of the USA, which is not as good as some decades ago, was forseen by many presidential advisors looking at very worrisome economic and comercial trends... and finally, that future is here.

Some people will be easily convinced that 6 millón Mexican illegals working there, and 5 more of other nationalities "are an important factor that is bringing down America"...

Who am I to countrer those claims?

If that is truth... why don't you simple deport them all, at once? It is feasible, I am sure of that.

But expenditure of billions of dollars in useless wars and in useless projects based on fear, racism and the covering of lies, that sounds to me as a more probable source of decadence.

Regards.
Eduardo

Torreón, Mexico

#16 Jul 13, 2013
Concerned wrote:
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There is a man here that grows Marijuana in the Sierras. He is a member of my married into family. Other crops are found and burned, but his never are. The guy has several houses all paid for in other family members names. He pays the the army a certain amount to transport his drugs from the Sierras to Chihuahua, by the ton's. The captain even provides his soldiers at times to harvest the crops or do other errands. They even at times drive the loads to Chihuahua for him. From there it is the new buyers problem of paying off people and getting it to the border.
You have an in-law who grows Marijuana? You should encourage him to stop or blow the whistle on him in one of those citizen alert pages in the social networks.
Concerned

Chihuahua, Mexico

#18 Jul 13, 2013
Eduardo wrote:
<quoted text>
You have an in-law who grows Marijuana? You should encourage him to stop or blow the whistle on him in one of those citizen alert pages in the social networks.
Did you read what I said? They already know who grows them, but they do nothing. The government is in with them. In fact I know someone that works for one of the agencies that takes these calls you talk about, and is supposed to act on them. He came to my house for a party with other people. He is flat out honest and is not on the take. This is not anything new. It said in the paper here that just about every family in Mexico on average has at least one family member in the drug business.

My friend says that when they take a call on the secret number most of the time no one shows, or they do nothing about it. You did read that 91.8% of the people will not call any authorities even in an emergency. He told me that the bosses in is offices are already on the take with the Narco's or criminals. This is one of the highest profile agencies in Mexico. He even said that if he were to send someone out on one of these calls, and they took his bosses connections down, it could get him and his family killed. They take down patsies.

Just like a year and a half ago there were 2 to 3 cars stolen at gunpoint out of the Wal-Mart parking lot. The guy that washes cars in the parking said that after they are robbed the authorities showed up 20 minutes later to take the report. I was there a few times just before and after, and while in Wal-mart when these car jacking's went down. They could have set up undercover in the parking lot and caught these guys all day. But why would you want to catch the guys that butter your bread. The guy that worked in the parking lot said it is funny that they had never caught one of the guys. NEVER!!

Like one taco stand owner told me. If they legalized drugs in the USA his business would go to hell. Even my Pastor I found out had to brothers that were heavies in Narco business. I know them and one has escaped the business after nearly being killed. He is now gone straight. The other is dead and he was a Federal officer. He did all his work for the Narco's right out of his agency car. The pastor and his other brother are straight up great people and their parents are saints.

So I just listen in amusement and do nothing as I know it will do no good. It could probably get me killed. I do not go out looking to hear this information and find criminals. If going to church is mingling with bad people then where so I go to not run into them?

Either you know, or are acting like you do not know. Because everybody else seems to know what is going on here. I am just an innocent bystander that loves people and keeps my nose clean and stays out of trouble. No drugs at all.

Everyone knows you cannot call the fox that is supposed to be guarding the hen house. Because they are also in the hen house. That is just the way it works I guess.

I do not make these thing up. I do not have time to sit and ponder and imagine this stuff. I really do work at least 12 hour days.

So who do you recommend calling? Because there is no one to call that will do anything.

I just drive up into a small pueblo where I do business there a lot. Everyone knows every Narco, and every house they live in. You can see the 4 x 4 that drives down the road actually making house deliveries of the drugs. I have literally had the houses pointed out by my clients. I said are you not worried? He said even the police know where they live, but they would actually be scared to do anything. So really, who are they going to call?

They are not effecting my life. They are going more after the Mexicans. Americans are safer here then the Mexicans I believe. But there sure is not much secrecy about what is going on.

You are just pulling my chain right? That is funny. I would never approach this guy! I will let Mexicans take care of their own problems.
Concerned

Chihuahua, Mexico

#19 Jul 13, 2013
Eduardo wrote:
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You have an in-law who grows Marijuana? You should encourage him to stop or blow the whistle on him in one of those citizen alert pages in the social networks.
I do not choose my in-laws. I just married someone I love and that is my main concern. But it is interesting to see all that goes down. I will just be a spectator and not a player, or try to take care of something that is broke. I am powerless. I am not saying anything that is not already in the papers here or not known by most people. It is the job of the Mexican people, not mine. I will just try and take care of those closest to me. Anywhere I live.

Look at the poor guy that they just gave amnesty to. They killed all of his family off over extortion. They were successful and owned businesses. I am sure they were not looking for trouble, but even on the US side they said, the police would probably hand him over to drug lords once he was deported. So they are letting him stay in the USA. Are these the people you were recommended calling? Even US law enforcement knows what is happening.
Eduardo

Torreón, Mexico

#20 Jul 14, 2013
I already said it, in a citizen alert publication in a social network.

I was looking for citizen alert publications in Facebook or Twitter for the area of Chihuahua like the ones there are where I live but I hasn't been able to find any.
lolol

Rio Rancho, NM

#21 Jul 14, 2013
the US just needs to adopts mexicos immigration laws and do what mexico does to their illegals. then maybe mexico would just stop exporting all their unwanted across the US border.

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