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wolverine wrote:

Who Do The People In Government Work For ?? The People. And The Majority Of People Arent Behind This Grassroots Movement To Remove All Religious Icons From America.
So...If I Were A Politition...Oh That Hurt..LOL....I Would Represent The People, Before They Showed Me The Door !

actually that's untrue, because the less populated red states have unequal representation in our form of gov't. While the House of Representatives is a democratic organization, where representation is based on population the Senate is not.
Why should some states, whose combined total population is less than the state of California get an equal number of votes, worse yet, when combined they greatly out number the votes of California
Population by state in millions
Ca. 36.5
Iowa 3
Ka 2.8
La 4.3
Mo 5.9
Mt .9
Neb 1.8
ND .6
Ok 3.6
SC 4.3
Wy .5
WVa 1.8
Ms 2.9
Id 1.5
Ak 2.8
Red State total 36.7 Million compared to California's 36.5 Million yet they have 28 senate votes compared to California's 2

You call that a democracy. I call it a minority holding the majority capitive.

Its about time we did had a new constitutional convention and did away with the Senate and become a true democracy.

Tn 6
Ut 2.5
SD .7

[Howie Doohan]

Lissa Marie wrote:

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Morning Wolvie, if we listened to Religious leaders and took their word as "Gods law" man would never have sailed the oceans for fear of sailing of the edge.
Magellan Quote:
The church says the earth is flat, but I know that it is round, for I have seen the shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the church.

Outstanding! You have a very good mind.

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Reggie wrote:

1). "Seeing is believing. If I can't see it, I don't believe it exists." We believe in many things that we can't see. Ask a skeptic if he has ever seen the wind? Has he seen history? Has he ever seen his brain? We see the effects of the wind, but the wind is invisible. We have records of history, but it is by "faith" we believe that certain historical events happened. Television waves are invisible, but an antenna and a receiver can detect their presence. The unregenerate man has a "receiver." However, the receiver (his spirit) is dead because of sin (see Ephesians 2:1). He needs to be plugged into the life of God, and then he will come alive and be aware of the invisible spiritual realm.

1. wind: yes we can't see it, but we can quantified it and measure it. We can determine its direction and speed, both physical attributes.
we can not measure your god.

2. Brain: we can see it, brain surgery, x-rays and autopsy
we can not see your god

3. History: We have records from different sources, there is no need of faith that historical events have happend.
the only written record of your Jesus is one source, your bible that was written more than a century of his supposed life.

4. TV waves: well besides the TV receiving them, we can also measure and detect them with electro-magnetic sensors. we can prove their existance with science

we can not prove the existence of your god, nor can we detect and measure him with all our scientific knowledge and instumentation.

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Reggie wrote:

<quoted text>1). 3). "I have broken the Ten Commandments, but I do good things for people." Hollywood Stars do similar things. They commit adultery in their youth, and then become involved in giving to AIDS research, etc., as they grow older. In their minds they think that they are balancing the scales. They have done bad, and now they are doing good. However, the Bible reveals that the motive of guilty sinners is one of guilt (see Hebrews 9:14). They are attempting to bribe the Judge of the Universe. However, the Judge in this case will not be corrupted. Good works cannot earn mercy. That comes purely by the grace of God. He will only dismiss our case on the grounds of our faith in Jesus.

What do the following people have in common?:
George H.W. Bush
John McCain
Rep Newt Gingrich.
Rep. Bob Barr (Who wrote the Defense of Marriage Act)
Rep Bob Dole
Rep Henry Hyde
Gary Bauer
Neal Horsley
Rudolph Giuliani
Sen. Larry Craig
Sen David Vitter
Rev. Ted Haggard
Richard Mellon Scaife

Well besides from being conservative republicans that play the family values card and call themselves good church going, god fearing christians

THEY ARE ALL ADULTERERS

Yes people in Hollywood may commit adultery, but its their own business and they are hypocritical about it.

[chief22]

Karma is a_______ wrote:

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actually that's untrue, because the less populated red states have unequal representation in our form of gov't. While the House of Representatives is a democratic organization, where representation is based on population the Senate is not.
Why should some states, whose combined total population is less than the state of California get an equal number of votes, worse yet, when combined they greatly out number the votes of California
Population by state in millions
Ca. 36.5
Iowa 3
Ka 2.8
La 4.3
Mo 5.9
Mt .9
Neb 1.8
ND .6
Ok 3.6
SC 4.3
Wy .5
WVa 1.8
Ms 2.9
Id 1.5
Ak 2.8
Red State total 36.7 Million compared to California's 36.5 Million yet they have 28 senate votes compared to California's 2
You call that a democracy. I call it a minority holding the majority capitive.
Its about time we did had a new constitutional convention and did away with the Senate and become a true democracy.
Tn 6
Ut 2.5
SD .7

Then you think we should get rid of states?

[chief22]

Karma is a_______ wrote:

<quoted text>
actually that's untrue, because the less populated red states have unequal representation in our form of gov't. While the House of Representatives is a democratic organization, where representation is based on population the Senate is not.
Why should some states, whose combined total population is less than the state of California get an equal number of votes, worse yet, when combined they greatly out number the votes of California
Population by state in millions
Ca. 36.5
Iowa 3
Ka 2.8
La 4.3
Mo 5.9
Mt .9
Neb 1.8
ND .6
Ok 3.6
SC 4.3
Wy .5
WVa 1.8
Ms 2.9
Id 1.5
Ak 2.8
Red State total 36.7 Million compared to California's 36.5 Million yet they have 28 senate votes compared to California's 2
You call that a democracy. I call it a minority holding the majority capitive.
Its about time we did had a new constitutional convention and did away with the Senate and become a true democracy.
Tn 6
Ut 2.5
SD .7

In actuallity the Senate exists to represnet the States not the populous that is what the house is for.

[John Sarico]

Reggie wrote:

<quoted text>1). "Seeing is believing. If I can't see it, I don't believe it exists." We believe in many things that we can't see. Ask a skeptic if he has ever seen the wind? Has he seen history? Has he ever seen his brain? We see the effects of the wind, but the wind is invisible. We have records of history, but it is by "faith" we believe that certain historical events happened. Television waves are invisible, but an antenna and a receiver can detect their presence. The unregenerate man has a "receiver." However, the receiver (his spirit) is dead because of sin (see Ephesians 2:1). He needs to be plugged into the life of God, and then he will come alive and be aware of the invisible spiritual realm.
2). "I know that I am a sinner, but I confess my sins to God each night. I tell Him that I am sorry and that I won't sin again." If you find yourself in court with a $50,000 fine, will a judge let you go simple because you say that you are sorry and that you won't commit the crime again? Of course not. You should be sorry for breaking the law, and of course you shouldn't commit the crime again. However, if someone stepped in and paid the $50,000 fine, then you would be free to go from the demands of the law.
God will not forgive a sinner on the basis that he is sorry. Of course we should be sorry for sin-we have a conscience to tell us that adultery, rape, lust, murder, hatred, lying and stealing, etc., are wrong. And of course we shouldn't sin again. God will, however, release us from the demands on eternal justice on the basis that someone else paid our fine. Two thousand years ago Jesus Christ paid in full for the sins of the world. His words on the Cross were, "It is finished!" In other words, the debt has been paid in full. All who repent and trust in Him receive remission of sins. Their case is dismissed on the basis of His suffering death.
3). "I have broken the Ten Commandments, but I do good things for people." Hollywood Stars do similar things. They commit adultery in their youth, and then become involved in giving to AIDS research, etc., as they grow older. In their minds they think that they are balancing the scales. They have done bad, and now they are doing good. However, the Bible reveals that the motive of guilty sinners is one of guilt (see Hebrews 9:14). They are attempting to bribe the Judge of the Universe. However, the Judge in this case will not be corrupted. Good works cannot earn mercy. That comes purely by the grace of God. He will only dismiss our case on the grounds of our faith in Jesus.
4). "I don't feel guilty." People often don't feel guilty when they sin because they have "seared" their conscience. They have removed the batteries from the smoke detector of their conscience, so that they can sin without interruption.

The robots are relentess. Very impressive.

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chief22 wrote:

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In actuallity the Senate exists to represnet the States not the populous that is what the house is for.

Represent the States???? geesh, the states are made up of the people of that state.

It isn't a representative democracy when a minority of the people have more say in the government than a majority. No spinning can change that fact.

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chief22 wrote:

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Then you think we should get rid of states?

I posted what I thought we should do, but here it is again

"Its about time we did had a new constitutional convention and did away with the Senate and become a true democracy."

[chief22]

Karma is a_______ wrote:

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I posted what I thought we should do, but here it is again
"Its about time we did had a new constitutional convention and did away with the Senate and become a true democracy."

So you want a true democracy where each eligeble voter gets to vote on each and every piece of legislation that is introduced. We wouldn't have to worry about electing crooked politicians.

How would we choose judges for the supreme cour or are do you wnat to do away with that to, who would mannage the 300million votes that would have to ba cast on legislation, I guess that would mean that there would be less legislation.

Are you sure you want a true democracy?

[John Sarico]

wolverine wrote:
Who Do The People In Government Work For ?? The People. And The Majority Of People Arent Behind This Grassroots Movement To Remove All Religious Icons From America.
So...If I Were A Politition...Oh That Hurt..LOL....I Would Represent The People, Before They Showed Me The Door !

Wolverine,

It is clear to me that you personally feel as thou you and other christians are engaged in a war on American soil.

That Wolverine would lable a win when you can show Americans like myself that were born in the USA, worked hard, loved, never did any crime, served this country in the armed forces.

Now some nut job Christian say "love Jesus, bow down to my imaginary friend or get the f*ck out of your USA.

Wolverine, you are in this religion thing playing G.I. Joe with the kung fu grip.

Wolverine, you are some sicko, mentally distrubed.

You are the poster child for this atheist to conclude the only way to protect myself from someone that wishes to harm me is to defend myself using every means at my disposale.

Wolverine, you are not safe knocking on my front door or anywhere near my property. If I saw you even speaking to a member of my family, I would go off on you and your commando friends like a heat sinking missle aimed accordingly at your jesus filled heart.

You have offered proof in this forum that you and your jesus friends are demented and clearly not insane. You legally do not understand the concequences for the actions you take. You have no regard for life outside of your christian organization. You are a danger to anyone that does not agree with you.

On second thought I welcome you on my door step.

Did I mention that I can help reunight you with your loved ones that the Geebus took from you.

It's all in my book, THE BABBLE

[chief22]

Karma is a_______ wrote:

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Represent the States???? geesh, the states are made up of the people of that state.
It isn't a representative democracy when a minority of the people have more say in the government than a majority. No spinning can change that fact.

That is how our founding fathers designed it, one house to represent the states interested, elected by the state legislature (elected by the people of that state) and a house that represented the interests of the people, elected by the people in the districts directly.

Unfornatually the progressives managed to convince American that they would be better off if they directly elected the senators directly, there by removing the state from government.

[wolverine]

Howie Doohan wrote:

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Wolf, why so negative all of the time - stop and smell the roses man! So your father-in-law likes to watch two and half men - so what? There has always been rapes and murders since time began, you're not going to free the world of those things. Gay rights? Who cares. I couldn't care less who someone is screwing as long as it's not my wife. Thieves? There's always been thieves. Lighten up - enjoy life. It's beautiful. Do you have a good family? A good wife? Good kids? A good job? I do! That's ALL that's really important - ain't none of us getting out of here alive!! Stop beating yourself up! Live and let live. Forget about color, nationality, sexual persuasion, religion. Eliminate the bullshit in your life!

You Know Howie...This Is One Of The Best Posts I Have Read. I Feel The Negativity Strangling Me ! I Have A Great Wife And Kids, And A Great Job....I Am Working Towards A Ton Of Traveling When I Retire !
So My Man....I Will Heed Your Advice and invoke the considerate judgement of mankind, and the gracious favor of Almighty GOD !

[wolverine]

John Sarico wrote:

wolverine wrote:
Who Do The People In Government Work For ?? The People. And The Majority Of People Arent Behind This Grassroots Movement To Remove All Religious Icons From America.
So...If I Were A Politition...Oh That Hurt..LOL....I Would Represent The People, Before They Showed Me The Door !
Wolverine,
It is clear to me that you personally feel as thou you and other christians are engaged in a war on American soil.
That Wolverine would lable a win when you can show Americans like myself that were born in the USA, worked hard, loved, never did any crime, served this country in the armed forces.
Now some nut job Christian say "love Jesus, bow down to my imaginary friend or get the f*ck out of your USA.
Wolverine, you are in this religion thing playing G.I. Joe with the kung fu grip.
Wolverine, you are some sicko, mentally distrubed.
You are the poster child for this atheist to conclude the only way to protect myself from someone that wishes to harm me is to defend myself using every means at my disposale.
Wolverine, you are not safe knocking on my front door or anywhere near my property. If I saw you even speaking to a member of my family, I would go off on you and your commando friends like a heat sinking missle aimed accordingly at your jesus filled heart.
You have offered proof in this forum that you and your jesus friends are demented and clearly not insane. You legally do not understand the concequences for the actions you take. You have no regard for life outside of your christian organization. You are a danger to anyone that does not agree with you.
On second thought I welcome you on my door step.
Did I mention that I can help reunight you with your loved ones that the Geebus took from you.
It's all in my book, THE BABBLE

John....Have A Nice Day!

[wolverine]

Lissa....I Have Enjoyed Our Talks And Will Check In On You From Time To Time "it is indeed a time of times, nothing like it will ever be seen again in this life "

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chief22 wrote:

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So you want a true democracy where each eligeble voter gets to vote on each and every piece of legislation that is introduced. We wouldn't have to worry about electing crooked politicians.
How would we choose judges for the supreme cour or are do you wnat to do away with that to, who would mannage the 300million votes that would have to ba cast on legislation, I guess that would mean that there would be less legislation.
Are you sure you want a true democracy?

http://www.google.com/search...

the political orientation of those who favor government by the people or by their elected representatives

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/democracy

de·moc·ra·cy (d-mkr-s)
n. pl. de·moc·ra·cies
1. Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.
2. A political or social unit that has such a government.
3. The common people, considered as the primary source of political power.
4. Majority rule.
5. The principles of social equality and respect for the individual within a community.

Yes, I'm sure I want a democracy

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chief22 wrote:

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That is how our founding fathers designed it, one house to represent the states interested, elected by the state legislature (elected by the people of that state) and a house that represented the interests of the people, elected by the people in the districts directly.
Unfornatually the progressives managed to convince American that they would be better off if they directly elected the senators directly, there by removing the state from government.

If you study the history of the founding fathers, they designed the Senate, because States with low populations were afraid of being dominated by the more populous states-I believe that it almost broke down to Northern (bigger populations) vs Southern (more rural, less populated) states, it was an apleasement gesture.

BTW State legislatures are voted in by the state's population, so Senators were still representing the population of that state

[Rational Thinker]

Karma is a_______ wrote:

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If you study the history of the founding fathers, they designed the Senate, because States with low populations were afraid of being dominated by the more populous states-I believe that it almost broke down to Northern (bigger populations) vs Southern (more rural, less populated) states, it was an apleasement gesture.
BTW State legislatures are voted in by the state's population, so Senators were still representing the population of that state

But the Founders also avoided a pure Democracy because they wanted a government of checks and balances so "mob rule" was to be avoided. We have a Constitutional Republic (you know, "For the Republic for which is stands...") so certain basic rights and freedoms are protected no matter what the mob of the day decides to vote on.

A pure Democracy is dangerous, fickle and doesn't fix anything.

[Lissa Marie]

Ben Dover wrote:

<quoted text>You are as ignorant as you are funny. Hitler a Christian? Are you serious? I guess you haven't heard about the Nazi plans to destroy Christianity. That would put Hitler in your ball park, wouldn't it? Perhaps this website can educate you. http://www.boundless.org/2001/regulars/kaufma...

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922.(This speech is well documented).

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

Future generations should remember that Adolph Hitler could not have come into power without the support of churches and the German Christian populace.

[Lissa Marie]

wolverine wrote:

Lissa....I Have Enjoyed Our Talks And Will Check In On You From Time To Time "it is indeed a time of times, nothing like it will ever be seen again in this life "

Going somewhere Wolvie? If so I will miss you XXXOOO...