Why do conservatives want Paul Ryan t...

Why do conservatives want Paul Ryan to be vice president?

There are 971 comments on the The Washington Post story from Aug 9, 2012, titled Why do conservatives want Paul Ryan to be vice president?. In it, The Washington Post reports that:

The Wall Street Journal's editorial page joined the growing movement of influential conservatives uniting behind hero wonk Paul Ryan for vice president.

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Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#498 Aug 12, 2012
Wondering wrote:
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You need shopping lessons. My spouse just came off private insurance and it was $540/month and included drug coverage. Medicare with supplementary insurance is $283/month plus everything she paid into it for her 40+ years of employment. No one asked to be enrolled in these paycheck deductions and the government made promises of insurance in return for the deductions. It was mandatory.
When you were paying 1.45 percent in, people lived to be 62, and they were entitled to Medicare at 65, so the government was planning on one out of maybe ten people would get Medicare for maybe 2 years. they never envisioned 140 MILLION people on Medicare for 30 years each. And, when they set up Medicare there were no advanced medical procedures, no expensive tests and meds. They envisioned a few old people seeing a country doctor now and then. What you have now is this super advanced very expensive medical care, long term, 140 million people will be on it, they all stay on it for decades and this stuff is funded for one out of ten people to get it for two years and to get some low cost care. If you want premium health care for 30 or more years retired, you would need a big national sales tax of about 25 percent to fund it. That's WHY it is in $85 TRILLION of debt, from paying each person millions more than they paid in. This is why it goes bankrupt in 2 more years. Either create a big tax to fund it or slice it all up, pay a lot more and get a lot less.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#499 Aug 12, 2012
bottlecap wrote:
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People will always vote their self-interest. BUT no matter what that might be, it is ALL Dependant on Incoming Revenue and right now that includes a large portion of BORROWED MONEY.
Then, when one considers that Obama has run up over 5 TRILLION in debt and has not produced ONE SINGLE Net Job , one can see what a PATHETIC failure his administration has been.
If the MSM wasn't ignoring his scandals, his foreign policy failures and economuc record, he would drop like a lead balloon in the polls.
Exactly. We borrow .40 cents of every dollar we spend, and we take in enough to pay for military spending, and then borrow to payout SS, Medicare and Medicaid. 80 percent of the federal budget is SS, Medicare, Medicaid and military spending. Those are the big items. And, in ten more years, the U.S. will be majority Mexicans that dropped out of high school and that are on welfare. If no one is paying into SS and Medicare, it all ends. We have 100 million on welfare and soon 140 million on SS and Medicare and they are dependent on a big, educated, younger working generation paying into SS and Medicare in order for them to get SS and Medicare. Not going to happen.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#500 Aug 12, 2012
bottlecap wrote:
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I guess what you are saying is Medicare was flawed from its inception as a GREAT SOCIETY PROGRAM.
I was talking to another poster about walking back programs created after 2000, because in 2000 the debt was under control.
Those programs included Obamacare, Dodd/Frank and Medicare Part D.
Probably it has to go back even farther. Maybe even back to FDR, who, although pro-union, was STRONGLY against Public Service Unions.
Certainly, without INCREASED WEALTH coming into the country, the system cannot go on much longer.
those big state pensions are entitlements too, they are not paid for. they have big unfunded liabilities too. None of that stuff is going to get paid cause there's no way to do it. It would be like all of these people on government pensions, half the country on welfare and half the country on SS and Medicare and five people left paying for it. It's a mathematical impossibility.

Figure if people live about 30 years retired now, and SS and Medicare is in $120 trillion of unpaid for promises, divide that massive amount of money by 30 years it would be paid out, it equals $4 trillion a year just to pay SS and Medicare. Where do we get $4 trillion a year from? And, the most insane thing of all is this "tea party" wants $4 trillion a year in, wait for it, in SOCIALISM. Oh my.
gossamer

Roseville, MI

#501 Aug 12, 2012
Pamela wrote:
<quoted text>When you were paying 1.45 percent in, people lived to be 62, and they were entitled to Medicare at 65, so the government was planning on one out of maybe ten people would get Medicare for maybe 2 years. they never envisioned 140 MILLION people on Medicare for 30 years each. And, when they set up Medicare there were no advanced medical procedures, no expensive tests and meds. They envisioned a few old people seeing a country doctor now and then. What you have now is this super advanced very expensive medical care, long term, 140 million people will be on it, they all stay on it for decades and this stuff is funded for one out of ten people to get it for two years and to get some low cost care. If you want premium health care for 30 or more years retired, you would need a big national sales tax of about 25 percent to fund it. That's WHY it is in $85 TRILLION of debt, from paying each person millions more than they paid in. This is why it goes bankrupt in 2 more years. Either create a big tax to fund it or slice it all up, pay a lot more and get a lot less.
Oh my you really are a LIberal.

Social security tax increased as wages did.

More people working more people paying in to the system.

Under Obama no body working no body paying.

Set guidlines under Medicare. Medicare only pays what they deem the procedure should cost.

Medicare only pays 80 per cent of a medical procedure after it approves the amount it is going to pay.

Recipient has to meet a deductable each year.

And Medicare is not free. Recipients pay a premium each month.

Do you understand?
gossamer

Roseville, MI

#502 Aug 12, 2012
Oh there are some procedures Medicare doesn't cover at all.
Churmudgeon

Mountain Home, AR

#503 Aug 12, 2012
Pamela wrote:
<quoted text>those big state pensions are entitlements too, they are not paid for. they have big unfunded liabilities too. None of that stuff is going to get paid cause there's no way to do it. It would be like all of these people on government pensions, half the country on welfare and half the country on SS and Medicare and five people left paying for it. It's a mathematical impossibility.
Figure if people live about 30 years retired now, and SS and Medicare is in $120 trillion of unpaid for promises, divide that massive amount of money by 30 years it would be paid out, it equals $4 trillion a year just to pay SS and Medicare. Where do we get $4 trillion a year from? And, the most insane thing of all is this "tea party" wants $4 trillion a year in, wait for it, in SOCIALISM. Oh my.
I gotta agree with pammy on this one. None of that stuff is going to get paid buy taxes. You cant get blood out of a turnup. They will try and pay for that stuff by borrowing the difference.
How long till they cant borrow anymore?
Razors Edge

Palos Hills, IL

#504 Aug 12, 2012
Pamela wrote:
<quoted text>those big state pensions are entitlements too, they are not paid for. they have big unfunded liabilities too. None of that stuff is going to get paid cause there's no way to do it. It would be like all of these people on government pensions, half the country on welfare and half the country on SS and Medicare and five people left paying for it. It's a mathematical impossibility.
Figure if people live about 30 years retired now, and SS and Medicare is in $120 trillion of unpaid for promises, divide that massive amount of money by 30 years it would be paid out, it equals $4 trillion a year just to pay SS and Medicare. Where do we get $4 trillion a year from? And, the most insane thing of all is this "tea party" wants $4 trillion a year in, wait for it, in SOCIALISM. Oh my.
Pamela,Lets cut to the chase..People who have been paying in their
entire working life..Are now very aware that 50% of the Nation has
never paid a dime,and never will to all the ENTITLEMENTS they are
getting?? That causes massive resentment?? Okay?? its so simple
really.Lets call it those who work,keep those who do not,will not
work,for a variety of reasons.On top of it the POTUS panders pimps
the votes of those on the Gravy Train,Which is why he is known
in certain sections of our beleagured Society as the Sugar Daddy??
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#505 Aug 12, 2012
Churmudgeon wrote:
<quoted text>I gotta agree with pammy on this one. None of that stuff is going to get paid buy taxes. You cant get blood out of a turnup. They will try and pay for that stuff by borrowing the difference.
How long till they cant borrow anymore?
Exactly. They really cannot borrow anymore money. We are paying $450 billion a year in interest on the debt. We can't do that much longer, so we are going to default, there's no way around it. And it's like filing for bankruptcy, once you have bad credit, no one will loan you money. Bad credit, no more credit cards. And then imagine trying to pay welfare, state pensions and SS and Medicare with just what we collect in taxes. Oh my. Everything will be cut severely, many programs will be ended.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#506 Aug 12, 2012
gossamer wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh my you really are a LIberal.
Social security tax increased as wages did.
More people working more people paying in to the system.
Under Obama no body working no body paying.
Set guidlines under Medicare. Medicare only pays what they deem the procedure should cost.
Medicare only pays 80 per cent of a medical procedure after it approves the amount it is going to pay.
Recipient has to meet a deductable each year.
And Medicare is not free. Recipients pay a premium each month.
Do you understand?
How did you come up with a person who wants to end the Democrats entitlements is a liberal?? I'll tell you how. The dumb ass tea party wants $120 trillion in socialism cause they are nuts, and to them anyone who doesn't agree with what they want, you slap the stupid liberal label on them. You are sooooooooo immature, now a liberal to you is someone who doesn't want you on the government's back, a liberal is now a person who wants to end the Dems' entitlement programs. You people never stop with your stupidity.
notlocal

AOL

#507 Aug 12, 2012
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
You need shopping lessons. My spouse just came off private insurance and it was $540/month and included drug coverage. Medicare with supplementary insurance is $283/month plus everything she paid into it for her 40+ years of employment. No one asked to be enrolled in these paycheck deductions and the government made promises of insurance in return for the deductions. It was mandatory.
Absolutely correct. My retired neighbor has his supplemental through AARP and it is $185.00 a month.

$3000. a month would, in most cases, cover a family of 6.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#508 Aug 12, 2012
Razors Edge wrote:
<quoted text>
Pamela,Lets cut to the chase..People who have been paying in their
entire working life..Are now very aware that 50% of the Nation has
never paid a dime,and never will to all the ENTITLEMENTS they are
getting?? That causes massive resentment?? Okay?? its so simple
really.Lets call it those who work,keep those who do not,will not
work,for a variety of reasons.On top of it the POTUS panders pimps
the votes of those on the Gravy Train,Which is why he is known
in certain sections of our beleagured Society as the Sugar Daddy??
The bottom line is you would have to come up with $120 TRILLION (with a T) to pay out SS and Medicare. Where do you get the $120 trillion from?? Mars? Is that what that thing is doing up on Mars, looking for the $120 trillion to give the tea party their massive socialism?
notlocal

AOL

#509 Aug 12, 2012
bottlecap wrote:
<quoted text>
It sounds like his income was from capital gains which is taxed at 15% for his bracket. Of course, Romney give alot to charity and that must affect his final bill.
We need to sort things out by comparing the Ryan Plan with the Reid Plan, and have a transparent public discussion on the matter of taxes.
Agreed. And I'm sure he had some capital losses as well. The ironly is, after the dems attack ad about the woman dying of cancer, I bet the Romney's give hugely to cancer research, hospitals and charities.

On April 14th my cousin went to the emergency room for suspected 'pneumonia.' It was actually 4th stage lung cancer that had spread. He died within three days. Very sad. He had the Rolls Royce of health insurance, but there was nothing to be done.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#510 Aug 12, 2012
notlocal wrote:
<quoted text>
Absolutely correct. My retired neighbor has his supplemental through AARP and it is $185.00 a month.
$3000. a month would, in most cases, cover a family of 6.
I'm not talking about the supplement, I'm talking if you did not have Medicare and you had to buy your own old aged medical insurance on your own.

Look, all the tea party is after is $120 TRILLION in welfare out of the government. You people are the biggest phonies ever created. You're all old people on the government sucking out almost all of the federal and state tax money and I have NO intention of paying for any of it. And, for you people to have sat here for four years now this tea party has existed and to go on and on about how you hate socialism and how you hate the takers and how you hate those who live off of the government when the whole lot of you all live off of the government and all you people are after is government monies, government cash, government health care and free rest homes from the government, if the Republicans do not end SS, Medicare Medicaid and get you all off of our backs, I am going to scream. The sooner they shut it down, the sooner the phony Tea Party will go away.

NEWSFLASH: NO one is giving anyone $120 TRILLION of anything, not ever. If you want massive, massive socialism, pay for it with new taxes. And stop saying you hate socialism. You all love socialism you just do not want to pay for it. you want big 30 year pensions, you want big expensive 30 year old aged medical care, do like Bill O'Reilly says, create a 25 percent national sales tax and pay for it. You can't get that massive socialism unless you find a way to pay the $120 trillion you need. You have to make new taxes to create that money.

You all want that stuff with no new taxes. There's no way to do that. And what in the hell are you people doing asking for money from social programs than all other nations on this Earth combined and then going on and on about you hate socialism???? Do you think all of Europe combined has any $120 TRILLION in unfunded social programs?? Really?? U.S. social security and Medicare makes European socialism look like peanuts. Get a clue.
Razors Edge

Palos Hills, IL

#511 Aug 12, 2012
Pamela wrote:
<quoted text>The bottom line is you would have to come up with $120 TRILLION (with a T) to pay out SS and Medicare. Where do you get the $120 trillion from?? Mars? Is that what that thing is doing up on Mars, looking for the $120 trillion to give the tea party their massive socialism?
Pamela,you are not Obtuse,and I usually respect
your posts! But it all comes down to how many of
the Working Population,Can keep the non working
Population of our Nation..Heres a good quote it
Fits our debate..Socialism Quote..The Problem
with Socialism,is that,sooner,or later one runs
out of OTHER PEOPLES MONEY!! Thatcher UK PM..

So unemployment is crucial to our system..You
make $5000 a month,you spend $6000,you on the
way to Chapter 7????? No one wants to discuss
this in the WH.(Not politically expedient) LOL.
notlocal

AOL

#512 Aug 12, 2012
gossamer wrote:
Oh there are some procedures Medicare doesn't cover at all.
A very good surgeon friend of mine has not accepted medicare patients for four years. For good reason, he was owed over a quarter of a million in medicare payments and no glimmer that the government was going to pay him any time soon.

Yet his office rent, payroll and, most importantly, malpractice insurance had to be paid. He just couldn't afford it anymore. And he is one of the kindest men I have ever known.
notlocal

AOL

#513 Aug 12, 2012
Pamela wrote:
<quoted text>My grandfather was paying $1,500 a month just for his Medicare supplement plan because he is in his 90s. Full insurance for old people would be about $3,000 a month.
Switch insurers. My mom is only paying about $225.00.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#514 Aug 12, 2012
notlocal wrote:
<quoted text>
Switch insurers. My mom is only paying about $225.00.
he did. Yeah, he switched to Kaiser. But see, based on that, I would guess that full insurance for seniors would be around $3,000, if they had no Medicare at all. I guess the older they are, the more it costs. If it only costs old people like $400 a month for full medical insuarance, we should cancel Medicare right now and let everyone pay their own way. Only give it to those who have no pensions, who are poor. Everyone else can afford to pay for themselves if it is that cheap.
notlocal

AOL

#515 Aug 12, 2012
Pamela wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not talking about the supplement, I'm talking if you did not have Medicare and you had to buy your own old aged medical insurance on your own.
Look, all the tea party is after is $120 TRILLION in welfare out of the government. You people are the biggest phonies ever created. You're all old people on the government sucking out almost all of the federal and state tax money and I have NO intention of paying for any of it. And, for you people to have sat here for four years now this tea party has existed and to go on and on about how you hate socialism and how you hate the takers and how you hate those who live off of the government when the whole lot of you all live off of the government and all you people are after is government monies, government cash, government health care and free rest homes from the government, if the Republicans do not end SS, Medicare Medicaid and get you all off of our backs, I am going to scream. The sooner they shut it down, the sooner the phony Tea Party will go away.
NEWSFLASH: NO one is giving anyone $120 TRILLION of anything, not ever. If you want massive, massive socialism, pay for it with new taxes. And stop saying you hate socialism. You all love socialism you just do not want to pay for it. you want big 30 year pensions, you want big expensive 30 year old aged medical care, do like Bill O'Reilly says, create a 25 percent national sales tax and pay for it. You can't get that massive socialism unless you find a way to pay the $120 trillion you need. You have to make new taxes to create that money.
You all want that stuff with no new taxes. There's no way to do that. And what in the hell are you people doing asking for money from social programs than all other nations on this Earth combined and then going on and on about you hate socialism???? Do you think all of Europe combined has any $120 TRILLION in unfunded social programs?? Really?? U.S. social security and Medicare makes European socialism look like peanuts. Get a clue.
Can you give me a reference citing the Tea party asking for any funding, let alone $120 Trillion for SS? I do want to understand this and can't put your thoughts together.

SS & medicare are not entitlements.
Razors Edge

Palos Hills, IL

#516 Aug 12, 2012
notlocal wrote:
<quoted text>
A very good surgeon friend of mine has not accepted medicare patients for four years. For good reason, he was owed over a quarter of a million in medicare payments and no glimmer that the government was going to pay him any time soon.
Yet his office rent, payroll and, most importantly, malpractice insurance had to be paid. He just couldn't afford it anymore. And he is one of the kindest men I have ever known.
Thousands of Drs have confirmed because of the proposed
Obamacare rules & regs,they will no longer accept it????
Great Back lash from a rushed thru program..You know what
the Queen of Botox stated First you sign it,Then you read
it?? Geesshh.what clowns we have in the WH..
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#517 Aug 12, 2012
gossamer wrote:
Oh there are some procedures Medicare doesn't cover at all.
So what do you want for almost nothing? You want to pay $100 and get cosmetic surgery? People expect too much free stuff from the government. It's like everyone assuming they can go into a rest home for free. Well, were does the money come from? And, you know, when you have all of these folks with several pensions, they own homes, they can take out reverse mortgages, these things like SS and rest homes and so on should be reserved only for the poor and misfortunate old folks who really need help.

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