Romney: Obamacare fiasco "rotting" Obama's second term

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Not so, says the Massachusetts program's architect, former Gov. Mitt Romney, R-Mass., who challenged Mr. Obama for the presidency in 2012.
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Trouble with the HealthCare.gov site appears to be so widespread that the Obama administration has opened the door for Americans to circumvent the site altogether.

Under a plan announced Friday by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, the government would allow people to deal directly with insurance companies instead of through the federally run exchange website. The move comes as the administration's self-imposed Nov. 30 deadline for fixing the site is just days away, and officials acknowledge it may not be fully operational by then.

The pilot program announced by CMS would initially launch for residents in Ohio, Florida and Texas, and is the latest effort to give users an alternative to the troubled site. ABORT THE MANDATE, AND ABORT OBAMACARE, IT'S DOOMED.
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If this were true that the ACA has provided this "group discount", then why did they not allow interstate commerce to provide competition? Some states only have two insurers, some only have one hospital participating in accepting Odumbocare. How is this an improvement over what was already in place?
oscumma has made health coverage WORSE for all those who were responsible enough to have health insurance in place. Only an absolute moron doesn't realize it.
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<quoted text>Liberal Democrats are going to suffer too in 2014 & 2016 elections and Obama is the one leading them to be slaughtered and were not smart enough to see it.
The fact oscumma was elected again proves the ignorant and foolish have power over the sensible which means the democrats have little to worry about.
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my 2 cents..
bottomline, the insurance companies only make a profit margin of around 20%.
what does that tell you?
all they do is pass the costs of the medical claims from the doctors to YOU + 20%.
that is their total role in the whole picture.
the actual culprits of the whole debacle of ever rising health care costs are... the doctors, and the drug companies.
if you don't address the issue of rising medical costs by dealing with these parties, then, you will never resolve the problem with ever rising healthcare costs.
this is commonsense.
in other words, obamacare will not work.
and this is confirmed by what has happened in the EU. with the bankruptcy of greece, portugal. and the coming demise of spain, italy, and pretty the rest of the countries in the EU. frankly, the only country holding the EU afloat now is germany. and everyone knows that.
their demise was due to their social programs which INCLUDES their out-of-control healthcare programs.
obama knows this. the whole freaking congress knows this. and yet they still pursue obamacare?????
honest to god. what we have here are a bunch of cocaine using, marijuana smoking, brain dead, stupid hippie politicians.
idiots. the whole lot.
If want to regulate what doctors and drug companies make, then you shouldn't have a problem with regulating how much you make, right?
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Going by Romney Care in MA this thing, called Obamacare, actually stands a good chance to work, unless Congress decides to completely f-it up! Which, of course, the right-wingnutz have been at it with a vengeance!

Consider these statements made by the republican leadership, this is not the fringe, these are serious Obama haters!

“The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president. That’s my single most important political goal, along with every active Republican in the country. We will reject anything and everything with the name Obama on it”!
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell

Our goal is to shrink government to the size where we can drown it in a bathtub.
Grover Norquist

Do you consider this rational thought?

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<quoted text>If want to regulate what doctors and drug companies make, then you shouldn't have a problem with regulating how much you make, right?
if you want low cost healthcare, you will need doctors who will be willing to work for low salaries.

reality.

if we had machines to do the work, then, it would not be a problem. but our technology is not there YET.

all this rhetoric about trying to control the rising healthcare costs by controlling the insurance companies will not work because the solution that they are advocating (obamacare) does not deal with the root of the problem.

the problem originates with the doctors and the drug companies. they are the ones raising the cost of healthcare.

understand?

obamacare is doomed to fail. and any other healthcare agenda that happens to appear UNLESS they deal with the ROOT of the problem.

if we want a universal healthcare plan that will work, we must brainstorm on how to get doctors who will work for low wages.

again, this is reality.

any suggestions?
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Going by Romney Care in MA this thing, called Obamacare, actually stands a good chance to work, unless Congress decides to completely f-it up! Which, of course, the right-wingnutz have been at it with a vengeance!
Consider these statements made by the republican leadership, this is not the fringe, these are serious Obama haters!
“The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president. That’s my single most important political goal, along with every active Republican in the country. We will reject anything and everything with the name Obama on it”!
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell
Our goal is to shrink government to the size where we can drown it in a bathtub.
Grover Norquist
Do you consider this rational thought?
Given the current events with regards to Odumbo, it's obvious that anything he is attached to is suspect. To pretend otherwise is not rational.
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The only thing more successful in Kentucky (a red state) than Bourbon is Obamacare
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/how-kentucky-...
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Given the current events with regards to Odumbo, it's obvious that anything he is attached to is suspect. To pretend otherwise is not rational.
I'd suggest you wipe the foam from your mouth before you start talking "rational"!

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communism in theory is great.

but it will only work if everybody or at least MOST of the people involved WILLINGLY offer their services for free.

the problem with the status quo is communism is being FORCED upon them. nepotism and corruption is rampant.

that is why communism as it stands now in the world is not successful.
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spOko wrote:
Going by Romney Care in MA this thing, called Obamacare, actually stands a good chance to work, unless Congress decides to completely f-it up! Which, of course, the right-wingnutz have been at it with a vengeance!
Ahh yes, those evil right wingers looking out for the country. For shame! take it from some one who actually lives in MA, "Romney care" is $150 million over budget every year (the first ten yrs are expected to blow the original numbers by $2 BILLION), insurance rates have risen %10-%12 every yr (just like those hate monger Tea Partiers said), healthy males havent joined the system opting instead of a %50 fine in the lowest health ins option thus driving up taxes and costs for everyone (just like those nasty right wingers said it would), despite all these glaring issues and the FACT Republicans have been screaming at us (even shutting down the gov) that this is not going to work and is a disaster in the making, kool-aid drinkers like you are looking to bash Republicans.

I suppose all those website issues are due to Republican hackers right? open your eyes.

The gov cant even run the post office without extreme cost over runs yet we are fine with the gov determining what is best for our health care options? If you like it, you can keep it. Lies. Blatant lies.
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<quoted text>Ahh yes, those evil right wingers looking out for the country. For shame! take it from some one who actually lives in MA, "Romney care" is $150 million over budget every year (the first ten yrs are expected to blow the original numbers by $2 BILLION), insurance rates have risen %10-%12 every yr (just like those hate monger Tea Partiers said), healthy males havent joined the system opting instead of a %50 fine in the lowest health ins option thus driving up taxes and costs for everyone (just like those nasty right wingers said it would), despite all these glaring issues and the FACT Republicans have been screaming at us (even shutting down the gov) that this is not going to work and is a disaster in the making, kool-aid drinkers like you are looking to bash Republicans.
I suppose all those website issues are due to Republican hackers right? open your eyes.
The gov cant even run the post office without extreme cost over runs yet we are fine with the gov determining what is best for our health care options? If you like it, you can keep it. Lies. Blatant lies.
Is that the best you Gomer? Healthcare increases are nothing new and hardly due to Obamacare - ye moron!
The only thing more successful in Kentucky (a red state) than Bourbon is Obamacare
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/how-kentucky-...
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Given the current events with regards to Odumbo, it's obvious that anything he is attached to is suspect. To pretend otherwise is not rational.
I don't believe anyone ever accused you right-wing troglodytes of being rational :-/
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Is that the best you Gomer? Healthcare increases are nothing new and hardly due to Obamacare - ye moron!
The only thing more successful in Kentucky (a red state) than Bourbon is Obamacare
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/how-kentucky-...
So other than debate the points/facts I bring, you call me names like Gomer and moron? Good call. Its no wonder this country is in the ditch its in thanks to the lack of conversation skills and childish insults like yours. Grow up buddy.
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Is that the best you Gomer? Healthcare increases are nothing new and hardly due to Obamacare - ye moron!
Tell that to our President. Hes the one who promised us things like, premiums going down, keeping our plans and keeping our doctors. If Im a "gomer" and a "moron" I wonder what you call the president after being caught in many lies while pushing his signature health plan.
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<quoted text>So other than debate the points/facts I bring, you call me names like Gomer and moron? Good call. Its no wonder this country is in the ditch its in thanks to the lack of conversation skills and childish insults like yours. Grow up buddy.
You are a brainless moron as long as you keep spreading your anecdotes and hearsay that fit your misguided ideology.

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You are a brainless moron as long as you keep spreading your anecdotes and hearsay that fit your misguided ideology.
if all you have to offer to the discussion is insults, please cease and go away.

YOU are part of the problem, NOT the solution.
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Think man think wrote:
<quoted text>Tell that to our President. Hes the one who promised us things like, premiums going down, keeping our plans and keeping our doctors. If Im a "gomer" and a "moron" I wonder what you call the president after being caught in many lies while pushing his signature health plan.
Right wing idiocy, the president never promised such things unless, of course, you get your info from FAUX News. What the prsesident said is in fact true for most of us, only people with inferior policies are having to give them up and replace them to meet the minimum standards.
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The right wing media always harps on the very small number of people who are getting subsidies, but that is not what the law is about. Most people get their insurance through their employer, but there are a small number of people (about 5%) that have to buy insurance on the individual market. These are self-employed people, contract workers, people who lost their jobs before they are eligible for Medicare. These are not deadbeats. These are all hardworking mostly middle class people.
This is a small number of people with no lobbying group. As a result they have been getting pounded by the insurance companies for years. As an example I used to have a group policy through a company. After I left the company they charged me about $250 a month to maintain the insurance through the COBRA law. I had to pay the full amount of the insurance, but I paid the same group rate as the company. It worked for everybody. I had insurance and the insurance company was making a profit off the plan. After 18 months COBRA expires. At that time the insurance company informed me I could convert the policy to an individual policy except the cost would now be over $1000 a month for the exact same policy. That's obscene. They were making a fine profit when I was charged $250 a month. There was no justification for raising the price except that they could.
The ACA basically just makes the insurance companies bundle individual policies into group plans and put them on the exchange. That's it. Individual polices at the group rate. For the overwhelming number of people there are no subsides and not a dime of taxpayer money is involved.
There are some lower income people who will be eligible for subsidies. There are a number of things built into the ACA that are supposed to offset the subsidies. Even if they do not completely offset the subsidies it is still a lot cheaper for everybody to help these people buy insurance than it would cost to treat them without insurance. These people are not deadbeats either. They work, but are in the unfortunate position of making too much much money to qualify for Medicaid, but not enough to be able to buy individual insurance at the going rate.
Of course the other beneficiaries are those with pre-exisitng conditions who were never allowed to buy insurance before. I hope you have never had the experience, but it is not a good situation when there is a sick family member that can not buy insurance at any price. This is another case where it is much better for everybody if they have insurance as opposed to driving them into bankruptcy and then giving them Medicaid.
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Right wing idiocy, the president never promised such things unless, of course, you get your info from FAUX News. What the prsesident said is in fact true for most of us, only people with inferior policies are having to give them up and replace them to meet the minimum standards.
Good thing we have Obama who will make us give up those "inferior" policies. The entire country must be so stupid that we dont even realize how bad our insurance was. Thank God for Obama!

Never promised such things?
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
I guess the guy saying "we will keep this promise, if you like your health plan, you can keep it. Period." isnt really Obama, its just some liar who looks like him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Some guy who looks and sounds like Obama on the campaign trail running for president said "If you already have health care, we are gonna lower costs by $2500 a yr on avg".

But you are right, the entire country was wrong and never heard Obama promise any of these things on MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NBC, presidential debates, interviews or at fund raisers. But you keep going with the name calling and dodging valid points backed up with facts.

I showed you the videos of Obama making promises he couldnt keep. No your turn to spin it. lets see if you can do it without the usual "FAUX NEWS" and name calling. After all,%95 of those video clips aren't on "FAUX NEWS". They are on every other station. But you will ignore the facts and clips and instead evade the issue and call me so name im sure.

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