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Maryland Gay Marriage Could Hinge on Black Churches

There are 9647 comments on the The Skanner story from Mar 1, 2012, titled Maryland Gay Marriage Could Hinge on Black Churches. In it, The Skanner reports that:

With Maryland poised to legalize gay marriage, some conservative opponents and religious leaders are counting on members of their congregations, especially in black churches, to upend the legislation at the polls this fall.

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Since: Mar 11

IRELAND

#7460 Oct 7, 2012
WaterBoarder wrote:
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Yes...I know how I come across on this issue. I come across pissed off and aggressive. And I am. The audacity of the public school system and the gay lobby on this issue is simply breathtaking in my view.
It is striking to me how I can encounter people like yourself who initially cannot see or are unwilling to admit what is happening. I usually find that if I persist I will get you to admit that this "education" is actually happening, what the real goal behind it is, and that its okay in your view because you agree with it.
Well, you can continue to be pissed off and persistent all ya want.......I see what is being taught differently than you do, the only goal I believe in or know about is to make the school environment a safe haven for all student and families and to end the bullying that causes some kids to take their own life....and as far as agreeing with it.....as long as it is age appropriate and isn't getting into an area that is crossing the line.......again, I have no issues with it......but again I see it as a tolerance issue and making schools safe for every child and you see it as teaching sexuality.......that's the difference between us!!!

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Since: Mar 11

IRELAND

#7461 Oct 7, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Even RnL admits, men and women have unequal life experience.
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<quoted text>Romney has pledged to allow the people of D.C. decide the issue of marriage.
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<quoted text>The issue isn't 'his family' or 'her marriage', the law affects everyone so the issue is all families and all marriages. Same sex marriage law would make a mother irrelevant to every family in the eyes of the law, just as it would make every husband irrelevant to every marriage. This is the consequence of creating gender blind laws.
Again Brian.......people in general have different life experiences.........yet you try and continue to make it about gender, more specifically men and women.

Well, first off......Romney needs to be elected and regardless of what pledge he signed.......he has no control over whether the people get to have a say on this issue or not!!!

No, that's not true.........Same-Sex Couples getting married won't have any affect on ALL mothers being irrelevant or ALL fathers being irrelevant.......that's nothing more than a false statement.

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Since: Mar 11

IRELAND

#7462 Oct 8, 2012
WaterBoarder wrote:
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BTW...I simply pointed to some scripture in an attempt to communicate where I am coming from. Again...where "I" am coming from. I didn't ask you to adopt it. Actually, I didn't even post the words.
That is what I think you can handle. It doesn't matter if this is a religious thread or not. People like myself have the right to express our views in public places just like you do. Freedom of religious expression extends to this dark little corner of the web too!
Okay, you're coming from a Christian view point.....got it!!!

You're right....it does, but just remember that I also have freedom of religion or freedom from religion.......I try to keep my religious views out of this discussion, but am nevertheless accused of being an ungodly person just because of who I am......funny how that happens from some of your fellow loving Christians!!!

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Since: May 09

The OC

#7463 Oct 8, 2012
RnL2008 wrote:
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Well, you can continue to be pissed off and persistent all ya want.......I see what is being taught differently than you do, the only goal I believe in or know about is to make the school environment a safe haven for all student and families and to end the bullying that causes some kids to take their own life....and as far as agreeing with it.....as long as it is age appropriate and isn't getting into an area that is crossing the line.......again, I have no issues with it......but again I see it as a tolerance issue and making schools safe for every child and you see it as teaching sexuality.......that's the difference between us!!!
Oh...we were doing so well! And you have derailed to this.

Safe haven...prevent bullying and suicide...tolerance...safe schools...it all sounds great! No one can argue with any of that! And gosh...you are using all the correct terminology!

These are noble goals for sure. No serious people want any kids being hurt. But your friends don't have the right to teach other people's kids their ideas on sexuality (and some people's views sexual morality) to achieve them.

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Since: May 09

The OC

#7464 Oct 8, 2012
RnL2008 wrote:
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I don't know you personally and therefore I really have no issue with what you teach your kids......
Oh come on now. You know exactly what I am talking about. Let's get back to that honesty I was talking about.

“WAY TO GO”

Since: Mar 11

IRELAND

#7465 Oct 8, 2012
WaterBoarder wrote:
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Oh...we were doing so well! And you have derailed to this.
Safe haven...prevent bullying and suicide...tolerance...safe schools...it all sounds great! No one can argue with any of that! And gosh...you are using all the correct terminology!
These are noble goals for sure. No serious people want any kids being hurt. But your friends don't have the right to teach other people's kids their ideas on sexuality (and some people's views sexual morality) to achieve them.
Again, what friends are you referring to? Politicians? I am not aware of any of my "PERSONAL" friends teaching this stuff and seeing that I don't work for any school district or school board, nor the Department of Education........this is not a policy I suggested or implemented.......however to a degree, I don't necessarily disagree with what's being taught as long as it is age appropriate.

Sorry, you don't like the political correctness......but those are things I believe in and not because they happen to have the right terminology to them.

“WAY TO GO”

Since: Mar 11

IRELAND

#7466 Oct 8, 2012
WaterBoarder wrote:
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Oh come on now. You know exactly what I am talking about. Let's get back to that honesty I was talking about.
I am being honest.....but because you don't believe so, now you want to call me a liar........oh well, maybe we haven't gained any ground......sorry to have interacted with you.

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Since: May 09

The OC

#7467 Oct 8, 2012
RnL2008 wrote:
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Again, what friends are you referring to? Politicians? I am not aware of any of my "PERSONAL" friends teaching this stuff and seeing that I don't work for any school district or school board, nor the Department of Education........this is not a policy I suggested or implemented.......however to a degree, I don't necessarily disagree with what's being taught as long as it is age appropriate.
Sorry, you don't like the political correctness......but those are things I believe in and not because they happen to have the right terminology to them.
Your "friends" are the gay lobby/politicians/educators that you agree with on this issue.

In any case, thanks for playing. I did get you to understand and acknowledge the pro-gay "education" going on in the K-12 classroom against the wishes of many parents. And you did acknowledge that you feel its appropriate simply because you agree with the message.

My mission is accomplished here.

“You wish you were here!!”

Since: May 09

The OC

#7468 Oct 8, 2012
RnL2008 wrote:
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I am being honest.....but because you don't believe so, now you want to call me a liar........oh well, maybe we haven't gained any ground......sorry to have interacted with you.
Did I really call you a liar? Come on!
S-N-A-F-U

Sierra Vista, AZ

#7469 Oct 8, 2012
The black clergy in this country are fed-up with the denigration of Christianity, lies and the portrayal of the black community as useful idiots for political expediency by the democrat party...

Bishop E.W. Jackson says it like it is....

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Since: Mar 11

IRELAND

#7470 Oct 8, 2012
WaterBoarder wrote:
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Your "friends" are the gay lobby/politicians/educators that you agree with on this issue.
In any case, thanks for playing. I did get you to understand and acknowledge the pro-gay "education" going on in the K-12 classroom against the wishes of many parents. And you did acknowledge that you feel its appropriate simply because you agree with the message.
My mission is accomplished here.
Not friends or even acquaintances, just people who are fighting for what they believe......and I don't necessarily agree with everything they do!!!

You haven't done anything really.......because I already told you that it was being taught but not the way you think it is!!!

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Since: Mar 11

IRELAND

#7471 Oct 8, 2012
WaterBoarder wrote:
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Did I really call you a liar? Come on!
You may not have used the word.....but yea, ya did!!!

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#7472 Oct 8, 2012
Mona Lott wrote:
<quoted text>No they don't. You don't "know" anything.
The success rate for so-called "reparative therapy" are about zero.
From the available data, four studies reported a "success" rate during conversion therapy of 0.4%, 0.0%, 0.5 and 0.04%. That is, conversion therapy has a failure rate in excess of 99.5% during each study. Considering the anecdotal data which indicates a large percentage of extremely depressed and suicidal clients emerging from conversion therapy, it would appear that this form of therapy is worthless. It my well result in the death by suicide of more gays and lesbians than it "converts" to a heterosexual orientation. Unfortunately, we cannot be certain of this. The quality of the studies is extremely poor.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_exod1.h...
Even the president of Exodus International has disavowed this type of therapy as "being successful". A 99.99% failure rate isn't a highly rated peer review form of therapy by any standard.

Good lord the people that support this voodoo scince are the same people who want to "fix" healthcare!

DNF

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Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#7473 Oct 8, 2012
WaterBoarder wrote:
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Never mind...you are unreasonable and rambling.
The curriculum I linked to specifically and intentionally teaches children to accept homosexuality as normal, healthy, and moral. Many parents (spare me your disagreement) would like to deal with these very personal matters in their own home and in there own way.
Such teaching about "hetereosexuality" does not exist. Get reasonable.
I wonder if you read what you write before you hit send.

"Many parents ... would like to deal with these very personal matters in their own home and in there own way.
Such teaching about "hetereosexuality" does not exist."

Yup, "Get reasonable."

DNF

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Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#7474 Oct 8, 2012
RnL2008 wrote:
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What do you consider to be "homosexuality acceptance"?
Kindergartners do have Same-Sex Parents, right? They have friends who know their parents, right? Exactly what is the real issue you have? Because I don't believe ANYONE is teaching them to accept homosexuals per say.......as it is to accept and respect those who are different.
He thinks teaching little 5 year olds that gays and lesbians exist might somehow persuade them to want to be gay. It's understandable since 5 year olds see Mommy and Daddy and often imitate that by playing house, having baby dolls, etc.

But if we frame it a little differently we get:

Teaching 5 year olds about the Catholic Church and how Maryland was the first colony to "accept" Catholics will undoubtedly lead to every child wanting to become a priest or a nun.

See how "reasonable" THAT is "Waterboarder"?

And God forbid we teach Black History Month to Kindergarteners. Who know what will happen then?

Heck for that matter we better not teach them about Hispanic History Month. They'd all want to speak with funny accents if we did that!

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Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#7475 Oct 8, 2012
RnL2008 wrote:
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No, that's not true.........Same-Sex Couples getting married won't have any affect on ALL mothers being irrelevant or ALL fathers being irrelevant.......that's nothing more than a false statement.
When government recognizes two men as a married couple, the law says a wife is irrelevant to that marriage. By extension, if a child is in custody of that 'married' couple, the law would say a mother is irrelevant to that family. Put another way, same sex marriage means a black father is irrelevant in a black family and a black wife is irrelevant in a black marriage.

I'm glad that's' finally cleared up.

DNF

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Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#7476 Oct 8, 2012
WaterBoarder wrote:
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If you can't allow me and my family that right than you can't expect me to respect yours.
Wow we finally agree on something.

DNF

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Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#7477 Oct 8, 2012
RnL2008 wrote:
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Discussing Gay and Lesbian families DOESN'T have anything to do with human sexuality, any more than discussing a heterosexual family has anything to do with human sexuality!!!
And how is discussing the family life about human sexuality?
Kids are being taught that other types of families exist.......they aren't discussing anything sexual......that would be your mind going into the gutter!!!
We do live in a diversified society and there are many different types of family make-ups!!!
You're speaking to a wall.

"Waterboarder" doesn't want to admit that all that he's whining about is also taught in age appropriate manners.

He's perfectly happy seeing little girls playing with dolls and having tea parties together. It's when he's forced to see them as adults that may not be what he expected that he gets freaked out.

Funny thing is he keeps talking about HIS rights and HIS family.
I don't blame him. Except he wants HIS rights and HIS family given preference over everyone else's. The exact thing he doesn't want people to do to him.

He calls us selfish for wanting to protect our families.

"Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live, it is asking others to live as one wishes to live."
- Oscar Wilde

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Since: Mar 11

IRELAND

#7478 Oct 8, 2012
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>He thinks teaching little 5 year olds that gays and lesbians exist might somehow persuade them to want to be gay. It's understandable since 5 year olds see Mommy and Daddy and often imitate that by playing house, having baby dolls, etc.
But if we frame it a little differently we get:
Teaching 5 year olds about the Catholic Church and how Maryland was the first colony to "accept" Catholics will undoubtedly lead to every child wanting to become a priest or a nun.
See how "reasonable" THAT is "Waterboarder"?
And God forbid we teach Black History Month to Kindergarteners. Who know what will happen then?
Heck for that matter we better not teach them about Hispanic History Month. They'd all want to speak with funny accents if we did that!
Excellent point:-)

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#7479 Oct 8, 2012
WaterBoarder wrote:
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Ah...there we have it.....
You don't need to protect my children from me. And you have no right.
Now where have I herad that line before?

Oh Yeah I remember now:

man kills son because he thought he was gay
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