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Trayvon Martin Shooting Death Sparks Outrage on Social Media

There are 66309 comments on the Wall Street Journal story from Mar 22, 2012, titled Trayvon Martin Shooting Death Sparks Outrage on Social Media. In it, Wall Street Journal reports that:

Social media has put the spotlight on the story Trayvon Martin , an unarmed African-American teenager who was shot to death last month by a neighborhood watch captain in Florida.

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realitycheck

Carmel, IN

#30731 Jul 4, 2012
Justice wrote:
I've posted this before, but will again. As anyone that runs/jogs enough can tell you, when you stop running after getting out of breath, your breathing doesn't immediately drop pace to normal. You 'pant' to catch your breath. More so if you're out of shape. If you slow down to a jog or fast walk, you have to keep your breathing regulated to keep going. I know this because my husband and stepdaughter are personal trainers helping me get back in shape and they are always making me 'walk cool' after a workout.
Also, put yourself in the shoes of a 17yr old. If someone were following, then running after me (as a 17yr old), I would not lead that person to my home where a younger sibling/friend was and put them in danger too. I would run away, hide, and wait for the person to give up. The assumptions that Martin didn't go straight home and have a snack because he was looking for a fight are very close minded. It's also a huge assumption that Martin knew Zimmerman supposedly stopped chasing him and took his time with the call, so he had plenty of time to just walk to his door. If that were the case, why wouldn't Zimmerman have told the dispatcher where he was, and was heading (to his truck's location) ISO, having LE call his cell for a location?
You don't make any sense. There was no possible way Zimmerman was running while talking to the dispatcher. Walking yes,running no. His speech and breathing were not consistent with someone running. Additionally, GZ was not in well enough physical shape to carry on a conversation and run at the same time which is why he took a few moments for his breathing to slow.

If the teen was concerned about someone following him, he would go right home, ask for help from the surrounding homes, hide, call his dad,call police, have his girlfriend call police, etc. He didn't do any of those things which suggests he was not concerned at all. His body was found within a few feet of where he was staying which supports my claim that he had plenty of time to get in his house, if he were afraid for his safety. Zimmerman would have had absolutely no idea where TM was if he remained hidden because it was dark and Zimmerman lost sight of him. Martin would have noticed GZ wasn't walking behind him as well. It would be next to impossible to lose sight of someone in the dark and miraculously within minutes find them.....unless of course.......TM wanted to be 'found'. There can be no other explanation for this. If TM were afraid, TM would have gone home or hid within the shadows of darkness. Zimmerman would never have stumbled upon him on his way to the car. If TM were afraid, he wouldn't have sucker punched GZ to the ground. For some reason, TM made his presence known to Zimmerman who was walking towards his car. That suggests TM was being combative and confrontational. GZ was attacked by TM and GZ shot him in self defense. It's not complicated.
realitycheck

Carmel, IN

#30732 Jul 4, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
Dr. James Wayman, a San Jose State University expert in the field of speech science, told The Daily Caller that he questions the grounds on which Owen based his analysis.
Wayman also said he would be willing to testify against the admissibility of Owen’s findings on the grounds that they don’t meet the criteria required for evidence in federal courts.
“There is no history of, or data on, the comparison of a questioned scream to a known speech sample,” Wayman said.
The problem, he said, is that the two voice samples were recorded in difficult acoustic conditions over different cell phones.
“Even if we were to have Mr. Zimmerman recreate the scream under identical conditions with the same cell phone,” Wayman explained,“it would be difficult to attribute the scream to him without a sample of a similar scream from Mr. Martin under the same conditions. This is clearly not possible.”
Reached for comment, Owen told TheDC that he has conducted his own study —“The Owen Study”— of more than 400 different pitches, screams, and voice disguises. The study is unpublished.
He explained that he has attempted, without success, to obtain a “voice exemplar” from Zimmerman, consisting of recordings of both his speaking voice and a scream.
And Wayman, he said,“assumes that the voice software is not able to make a determination on each voice independently.”
Wayman fired back in a later email exchange.“There is no accepted standard regarding metrics for voice comparisons,” he insisted,“either if done forensically or using automated comparisons.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/06/voice-foren...
The Sentinel also contracted with Ed Primeau, a trained audio engineer and registered investigator whose expert testimony has been used in dozens of criminal court proceedings. Primeau used a more intuitive approach to determine that Zimmerman was not the person heard screaming on the 911 call.
“That’s a young man screaming,” Primeau told the Sentinel.
Comparing the human voice to a symphony full of varying timbres, Primeau wrote on his blog that the “male voice yelling for help … cracks like teen male’s does when going through puberty.”
Dr. Philip Rose of the Australian National University told The DC that scientific experts refer to Primeau’s method as “naïve voice recognition.” His influential 2002 book Forensic Speaker Identification draws a major distinction between naïve and “technical forensics” voice recognition.
“Naïve voice recognition is so prone to error that it is acknowledged that it is worthless as evidence,” Rose said via email.
A forensic expert’s job, he said, is to assess the strength of evidence, not to estimate the probability of a hypothesis. And “the value of the evidence depends … on the similarity of the samples.”
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/06/voice-foren...
Considering Zimmerman's voice sounds much like a pre pubescent teen, I have to wonder how Primeau could make such comments with a straight face.
Big John Roberts

Chapin, SC

#30733 Jul 4, 2012
Black 8 My Angus 6 wrote:
<quoted text>
I gonna be #7 as soon as zazz wake up and crawl out of her coffin!
Yo' Dirty 8nus, you need to wake up and shove your head back up your butt where it belongs. LOFL!!!!
realitycheck

Carmel, IN

#30734 Jul 4, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
If the link doesn't open, google
Crowd Beats, Strips & Robs Tourist On St. Patrick’s Day; Incident Caught On Camera
What it should have said was-
Black crowd Beats, Strips & Robs White Tourist On St. Patrick’s Day; Incident Caught On Camera
because if it was the other way around the black community would make it a national issues.
Typical media bias.
realitycheck

Carmel, IN

#30735 Jul 4, 2012
Ascendo Tuum wrote:
<quoted text>
An expert in biometric voice analysis, Tom Owen of the Owen Forensic Services LLC (also chair emeritus for the American Board of Recorded Evidence) has unequivocally concluded that after rigorous analysis of a 911 tape, the screaming voice on the tape WAS NOT THAT OF GEORGE ZIMMERMAN. He used a baseline audio sample obtained from GI Jane, himself, for comparative analysis. He could not confirm the voice on the tape to be Trayvon Martin's only because he did not have a baseline audio sample of the teenager. Ya... the witness heard someone screaming... but it wasn't GI Jane. And if it wasn't GI Jane... well...gee.. I wonder who it was???
Oh... and btw... analysis is 99.8% accurate.
Seriously? You believe that one? The media can certainly spin these tall tales well. Imagine what we could accomplish with this kind of 'technology' if this were true! GZ has a very high voice, much like the voice in the background. No doubt Owen Forensic Services saw an opportunity for some serious publicity as well as using the race card to his advantage by attempting to put GZ in a guilty light. Why else would this guy voluntarily do his little tests and then leak it to the media? How many ways can we spell gullible now?
Justice

United States

#30736 Jul 4, 2012
Next to impossible to find a kid new to the neighborhood hiding in the dark unless he wanted to be found? No other explaination? You are so FOS! How about Martin hid until he couldn't see Zimmerman, and came out to go where he was staying when he thought it was safe, but he was wrong. It wasn't safe because Zimmerman was still out there.
And assuming the liar told the truth about a sucker punch, why wouldn't a young person that was running away, being chased by an adult stranger in the dark, be afraid for his life enough to fight? Martin had already tried flight, when that didn't work, all he had left was fight.

Jumping Jim

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#30737 Jul 4, 2012
BRONACH wrote:
<quoted text>
Zimmerman doesn't have to testify.
There is no evidence against him.
Acquittal!
When that happens, the ghetto rats, their sympathizers, and supporters will go off the deep end; and that will be another excuse for them to riot, burn, and loot, as they have done in the past. Al and Jessie will be urging them on.
buckwheat

Tulsa, OK

#30738 Jul 4, 2012
Jumping Jim wrote:
<quoted text>When that happens, the ghetto rats, their sympathizers, and supporters will go off the deep end; and that will be another excuse for them to riot, burn, and loot, as they have done in the past. Al and Jessie will be urging them on.
And THAT is the only reason charges were filed in the first place. The chicken-shit prosecutor is willing to sacrifice Zimmerman to apease the mobs. No balls.

Jumping Jim

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#30739 Jul 4, 2012
buckwheat wrote:
<quoted text>And THAT is the only reason charges were filed in the first place. The chicken-shit prosecutor is willing to sacrifice Zimmerman to apease the mobs. No balls.
For sure, it is a political prosecution. Also, Holder wants to get the feds involved in it. The street thug Martin lost the confrontation with Zimmerman, and the ghetto rats (many on this blog) just can't stand it.
Mr America

Rochester, MN

#30740 Jul 4, 2012
Zimmerman saved Florida taxpayer a great deal of money, Treyvon was a future Prison inmate
downhill246

West Palm Beach, FL

#30741 Jul 4, 2012
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>lol! You obviously have a reading comprehension problem of the facts son.
The National Socialist Workers Party of Germany.

Hitler and the Brownshirts advocated the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, national resources, manufacturing, distribution and law enforcement. Hitler came to power by turning the working class, unemployed, and academic elite against the conservative republic. After Hitler's election ceased being a political conspiracy and was transformed into a fashionable social phenomenon, party membership was especially popular with educators, bureaucrats, and the press. Sound familiar?
downhill246

West Palm Beach, FL

#30742 Jul 4, 2012
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>lol! I think we've determined your idiocy has gotten in the way of the facts, but you like it that way.


You are easy/
downhill246

West Palm Beach, FL

#30743 Jul 4, 2012
realitycheck wrote:
<quoted text>Considering Zimmerman's voice sounds much like a pre pubescent teen, I have to wonder how Primeau could make such comments with a straight face.


I was thinking the same thing when I first heard Zimmerman speak. His voice is rather high pitched and could easily be mistaken for a younger male.
downhill246

West Palm Beach, FL

#30744 Jul 4, 2012
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>lol! You've already done the imagining son.
The coherent people who are left don't need your dreams.
That leaves you out, gramps. You haven't been close to coherent since FDR died.
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#30745 Jul 4, 2012
Mr America wrote:
Zimmerman saved Florida taxpayer a great deal of money, Treyvon was a future Prison inmate
Funny how you make that claim....

.... and yet it's Zimmerman whose in jail cost the taxpayers money for his killing!
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#30746 Jul 4, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
The National Socialist Workers Party of Germany.
Hitler and the Brownshirts advocated the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, national resources, manufacturing, distribution and law enforcement. Hitler came to power by turning the working class, unemployed, and academic elite against the conservative republic. After Hitler's election ceased being a political conspiracy and was transformed into a fashionable social phenomenon, party membership was especially popular with educators, bureaucrats, and the press. Sound familiar?
lol!

"....Hitler found his greatest support in traditionally conservative small towns. He campaigned with attacks on Marxism, making it clear that by Marxism he meant the Social Democrats. Hitler appealed to morality, attacking free love and what he inferred was the immorality of Berlin and some other major cities. He promised to stamp out big city corruption. He called for a spiritual revolution, for a "positive Christianity" and a spirit of national pride. Hitler repeatedly called for national renewal. He and his National Socialists benefited from the recent upheaval in the Soviet Union and the rise in fear and disgust for Bolshevism. His party's posters read:

If you want your country to go Bolshevik, vote Communist. If you want to remain free Germans, vote for the National Socialists.

Hitler called for a strengthened Germany and a refusal to pay reparations. He promised to restore Germany's borders. He appeared to be for the common man and critical of Germany's "barons." To the unemployed he promised jobs and bread. His party had the appeal of being young and on the move. Disillusioned Communists joined his movement, as did many unemployed young men and a variety of malcontents. In addition to finding support in small towns, he found support among the middleclass. He found support too from some among the newly rich and among some aristocrats. He found support among a few industrialists and financiers who wished for lower taxes and the arrest of the labor movement. From wealthy contributors, Hitler was able to set up places where unemployed young men could get a hot meal and trade their shabby clothes for a storm trooper uniforms...."

Sound familiar? Like right wingers in America son?
downhill246

West Palm Beach, FL

#30747 Jul 4, 2012
Justice wrote:
Next to impossible to find a kid new to the neighborhood hiding in the dark unless he wanted to be found? No other explaination? You are so FOS! How about Martin hid until he couldn't see Zimmerman, and came out to go where he was staying when he thought it was safe, but he was wrong. It wasn't safe because Zimmerman was still out there.
And assuming the liar told the truth about a sucker punch, why wouldn't a young person that was running away, being chased by an adult stranger in the dark, be afraid for his life enough to fight? Martin had already tried flight, when that didn't work, all he had left was fight.


So you are saying the Greyhound couldn't outrun the Bulldog? LOl. Why would you sucker punch someone who asked you "what are you doing here" ?

TM- Why do you ask?"

GZ- "I am on neighborhood watch."

TM-"Oh, I am visiting with my dad at the end of this block and you can check if you want to."

GZ-"Okay, just checking because we have had a rash of break ins lately and you are a stranger in this neighborhood."

TM-"I understand bro, want some skittles?"

GZ -"No thanks, take care"

The End.
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#30748 Jul 4, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
That leaves you out, gramps. You haven't been close to coherent since FDR died.
lol! Sure it does son.

Your idea of being coherent is to simply ignore all points other than those you bring up.

Clearly you feel your hubris wins out over all. I simply chuckle at you when it does rear its head son. It's funny to watch!
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#30749 Jul 4, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
So you are saying the Greyhound couldn't outrun the Bulldog? LOl. Why would you sucker punch someone who asked you "what are you doing here" ?
TM- Why do you ask?"
GZ- "I am on neighborhood watch."
TM-"Oh, I am visiting with my dad at the end of this block and you can check if you want to."
GZ-"Okay, just checking because we have had a rash of break ins lately and you are a stranger in this neighborhood."
TM-"I understand bro, want some skittles?"
GZ -"No thanks, take care"
The End.
lol! Did he flash him his "badge", son?
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#30750 Jul 4, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
I was thinking the same thing when I first heard Zimmerman speak. His voice is rather high pitched and could easily be mistaken for a younger male.
That'll work well for him "in the end," son.

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