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Trayvon Martin Shooting Death Sparks Outrage on Social Media

There are 66306 comments on the Wall Street Journal story from Mar 22, 2012, titled Trayvon Martin Shooting Death Sparks Outrage on Social Media. In it, Wall Street Journal reports that:

Social media has put the spotlight on the story Trayvon Martin , an unarmed African-American teenager who was shot to death last month by a neighborhood watch captain in Florida.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Wall Street Journal.

downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#29633 Jun 27, 2012
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>Unfortunately, there is no proof of your sucker punch son. Only the word of the survivor.
Your position of "..A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat, and has the right to stand his or her ground, and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself ,herself or another, or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
FS 776.013(3).." fits Martin to a "T".
After all, the only person who was armed used it to kill another.
Well gramps, in this country people are innocent until proven guilty and Zimmerman's scenario must be impeached to find him guilty. There is no evidence that I am aware of to support the claim that Zimmerman was the initial physical aggressor. All Zimmerman's face and head wounds and the bruising on Martin's knuckles support Zimmerman's claim that Martin physically attacked him first unless you want to argue that Zimmerman viciously attacked Martin's knuckles with his nose. The Sanford PD gave Zimmerman a voice stress test the night of the shooting and he passed with flying colors. A voice stress test is like a polygraph, but instead of measuring heart rate and blood pressure, it looks for changes in an individual's voice patterns that are thought to suggest psychological stress. Using software investigators record a suspect answering baseline questions and then compare them to answers about the case.

The $10,000 technology is not unique to the Sanford PD. The National Institute for Truth Verification, a manufacturer of the technology, claims that over 1,800 local, state and federal law enforcement agencies use their product. They also claim to have trained its use by U.S. Military personnel.
Apparently the scenario unfolded basically the way George Zimmerman's describes it. The jury must decide whether under the same circumstances they would fear for their own life. If they all do , Zimmerman will be found innocent of the charge of 2nd degree murder and to the lesser charge of manslaughter with a firearm. If one jurors believes Zimmerman acted within the law and the rest don't, it is a hung jury.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#29634 Jun 27, 2012
zazz wrote:
If Trayvon hit the killer, it was in self defense.

You know this how?

Apparently Martin was involved with a fight club at his high school and perhaps he thought if he doubled back and confronted that guy he would not only impress the girl on his cell phone but in addition would have a great story to tell his friends about beating the heck out of some 'cracker' when he returned to school after his third suspension of the school year ended.
realitycheck

Carmel, IN

#29635 Jun 27, 2012
zazz wrote:
If Trayvon hit the killer, it was in self defense.
Please explain. Are you saying TM had a right to attack and beat someone who had every right to walk in their own gated community? GZ appeared to be the kind of guy who wouldn't want to provoke a fight with TM. If you listened to the call, he was a little afraid of the guy and THAT's why he called police. He wanted them to investigate. It was also clear GZ wanted to be able to point out where the guy was which was why he was initially following him but he stopped. TM had the opportunity to go to his home without any further contact with GZ, if that was his intention. Clearly it was not because he did NOT go home. Maybe he was casing the neighborhood for his friends who have been burglarizing it....or maybe he wanted to beat up GZ just for looking at him and to impress his girlfriend.....or a little bit of everything. GZ lost contact with TM but we know he was meeting the police at the back gate which appears to be the direction he was going until he was attacked by TM. Certainly, if GZ were the aggressor and threatened TM with his gun, he would have shot him as soon as he tried to punch him. If GZ were the racist and violent beast you suggest, he wouldn't have called the police at all. He would have followed TM and started a fight so he could shoot him. Why expose himself to the police if that was his intention?

TM attacked GZ by surprised which ensued in a struggle for the gun and GZ shot him before he could get the gun. This was why GZ was screaming for help. He didn't want TM to shoot him with his own gun. Not sure how you can imagine anything differently.

Since: Apr 12

Truth's Door

#29636 Jun 27, 2012
NoBlamer 2012 wrote:
hmmm...

seems GZ passed 2 polygraph tests the night he was attacked by thugvon
hmmm...

seems the thug GZ passed 2 polygraph tests the night he attacked the child Trayvon.

Even so, veteran Sanford Police Department Detective Chris Serino STILL wanted to charge GZ with homicide.

my my my!
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#29637 Jun 27, 2012
TonyT1961 wrote:
<quoted text>
You have no actual facts. You would "PREFER" your assumptions were correct, but you have only GZ's claims to go by.
1 - his head being violently slammed into concrete / you have heard of "concussions", have you not? Let's scratch that one off.
2 - a supposedly broken noise / have you ever seen what a person looks like after their nose is broken? First, a whole lot of blood - then, swelling, then, raccoon eyes accociated with either the impact, or the break itself causing swelling around the eyes. None of this was evident. Not on his mugshot, not in court.
3 - Trayvon was never arrested nor charged with ANY crime! Not one. Prove otherwise, and I'll gladly retract my post, with an apology.


One doesn't have to wait until they get a concussion before they use the right to self defense.

The medical report by Zimmerman's physician state he had a closed fracture of the nose and black eyes and I assume the doctor will state that under oath in court.

As I recall the serial killer Ted Bundy was first arrested in 1975. By that time he had murdered about a dozen young women.

Since: Apr 12

Truth's Door

#29638 Jun 27, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>Well gramps, in this country people are innocent until proven guilty and Zimmerman's scenario must be impeached to find him guilty. There is no evidence that I am aware of to support the claim that Zimmerman was the initial physical aggressor. All Zimmerman's face and head wounds and the bruising on Martin's knuckles support Zimmerman's claim that Martin physically attacked him first unless you want to argue that Zimmerman viciously attacked Martin's knuckles with his nose. The Sanford PD gave Zimmerman a voice stress test the night of the shooting and he passed with flying colors. A voice stress test is like a polygraph, but instead of measuring heart rate and blood pressure, it looks for changes in an individual's voice patterns that are thought to suggest psychological stress. Using software investigators record a suspect answering baseline questions and then compare them to answers about the case.

The $10,000 technology is not unique to the Sanford PD. The National Institute for Truth Verification, a manufacturer of the technology, claims that over 1,800 local, state and federal law enforcement agencies use their product. They also claim to have trained its use by U.S. Military personnel.
Apparently the scenario unfolded basically the way George Zimmerman's describes it. The jury must decide whether under the same circumstances they would fear for their own life. If they all do , Zimmerman will be found innocent of the charge of 2nd degree murder and to the lesser charge of manslaughter with a firearm. If one jurors believes Zimmerman acted within the law and the rest don't, it is a hung jury.
There is PLENTY of evidence to suggest that Zimmerman was the initial physical aggressor. Zimmerman ignored the advice of the law enforcement.
realitycheck

Carmel, IN

#29639 Jun 27, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
One doesn't have to wait until they get a concussion before they use the right to self defense.
The medical report by Zimmerman's physician state he had a closed fracture of the nose and black eyes and I assume the doctor will state that under oath in court.
As I recall the serial killer Ted Bundy was first arrested in 1975. By that time he had murdered about a dozen young women.
Since TM was a minor, it is nearly impossible to get information from the school as well as his police record. I have no doubt it was a mile long considering what we know already about him. His parents are pure trash and they are capitalizing on his death. They didn't give two shts about him. Mommy dearest didn't want to bother with him so she sent him away. Even daddy dearest left his undisciplined violent thug son unattended to prowl around outside on a rainy night. What the heck was he doing with a cell phone? Did his parents have such a blatant disregard of school rules and regulations? Most parents would have taken the cell phone. He should have been supervised and not allowed to go galavanting around in the darkness.He would be alive today if his parents did their jobs. Parents like that create monsters like Trayvon Martin.
Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#29640 Jun 27, 2012
Black 8 My Angus 5 wrote:
<quoted text>
You mean 6 minutes a day!
How fat you is now?
Whenever someone on the Internet says they lost some weight,
it mean they bloat up like a balloon!
Some even achieve flight.
They drift along with the trade winds in the upper atmosphere.
That how a lot of species get to you Island.
The Trade Winds.
lol! Hey my little doll dummy.... I said I gained weight.

You must really be hitting the stick hard, son.

But I love idiotic cons like you.
Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#29641 Jun 27, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
Well gramps, in this country people are innocent until proven guilty and Zimmerman's scenario must be impeached to find him guilty. There is no evidence that I am aware of to support the claim that Zimmerman was the initial physical aggressor. All Zimmerman's face and head wounds and the bruising on Martin's knuckles support Zimmerman's claim that Martin physically attacked him first unless you want to argue that Zimmerman viciously attacked Martin's knuckles with his nose. The Sanford PD gave Zimmerman a voice stress test the night of the shooting and he passed with flying colors. A voice stress test is like a polygraph, but instead of measuring heart rate and blood pressure, it looks for changes in an individual's voice patterns that are thought to suggest psychological stress. Using software investigators record a suspect answering baseline questions and then compare them to answers about the case.
The $10,000 technology is not unique to the Sanford PD. The National Institute for Truth Verification, a manufacturer of the technology, claims that over 1,800 local, state and federal law enforcement agencies use their product. They also claim to have trained its use by U.S. Military personnel.
Apparently the scenario unfolded basically the way George Zimmerman's describes it. The jury must decide whether under the same circumstances they would fear for their own life. If they all do , Zimmerman will be found innocent of the charge of 2nd degree murder and to the lesser charge of manslaughter with a firearm. If one jurors believes Zimmerman acted within the law and the rest don't, it is a hung jury.
Martin has a 1/4" cut son. He could have gotten that from falling as Zimmerman assaulted him. A poly and voice stress means squat son. You talk about law, yet skim past the fact such devices are not admissible.

The only way you can see things unfolding Zimmerman's way is by listening to Zimmerman.

What we know for sure is Zimmerman saw Martin from his vehicle and claimed to be "afraid"...

After Martin left, Zimmerman left his vehicle to stalk Martin with a loaded weapon....

Zimmerman shot and killed Martin with the same loaded weapon....

Those are pretty much the facts son.
Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#29642 Jun 27, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
You know this how?
Apparently Martin was involved with a fight club at his high school and perhaps he thought if he doubled back and confronted that guy he would not only impress the girl on his cell phone but in addition would have a great story to tell his friends about beating the heck out of some 'cracker' when he returned to school after his third suspension of the school year ended.
lol! You're just full of inadmissible conjecture, aren't you?
realitycheck

Carmel, IN

#29643 Jun 27, 2012
Be Truthful Be Free wrote:
<quoted text>
There is PLENTY of evidence to suggest that Zimmerman was the initial physical aggressor. Zimmerman ignored the advice of the law enforcement.
Lying about facts just because you want them to be true will not alter the reality. This case has confirmed what I have believed all along about liberals and the liberal main stream media.

Zimmerman had every right to walk in his neighborhood. He had every right to walk over the the gate to meet the police. He was never told to sit in his car and wait. GZ had no reason to believe the thug would ambush and attack him as he made his way towards the gate. He had every right to call the police if he thought someone looked suspicious. He had every right to defend himself against a thug who wanted to beat him up for the fun of it.

Martin had every right to walk in a gated neighborhood but he had no right to attack someone because he didn't like the way he looked at him. He didn't have a right to ambush him because he was threatened because of the way he thought he looked at him. Martin had plenty of time to go home but he didn't. THAT is quite telling. TM was not afraid for his life because if he were he could have easily hidden from him if you think he couldn't get home in time.(cough cough) Martin had time to call 911 if he were afraid but he didn't. He joked with his girlfriend. He wanted to roll the guy and brag about it. THATS why he didn't go home. THAT'S why he didn't hide.He had plenty of opportunity to find a hiding place in the dark as well. GZ wouldn't have had the time to find him. It would have been like a needle in a haystack because only a few minutes passed before the police arrived. So, the only explanation is: TM ambushed and attacked GZ. During the struggle the gun was exposed and both parties were attempting to gain control. Zimmerman probably started screaming during the struggle as he knew his life was going to end if he didn't get the gun. Thug Martin wasn't afraid because he lives in a culture of violence. This was his way of life. His entertainment.

the westerner

“wisdom”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#29644 Jun 27, 2012
TonyT1961 wrote:
<quoted text>
You have no actual facts. You would "PREFER" your assumptions were correct, but you have only GZ's claims to go by.
1 - his head being violently slammed into concrete / you have heard of "concussions", have you not? Let's scratch that one off.
2 - a supposedly broken noise / have you ever seen what a person looks like after their nose is broken? First, a whole lot of blood - then, swelling, then, raccoon eyes accociated with either the impact, or the break itself causing swelling around the eyes. None of this was evident. Not on his mugshot, not in court.
3 - Trayvon was never arrested nor charged with ANY crime! Not one. Prove otherwise, and I'll gladly retract my post, with an apology.
Zimmerman passed, it's over, you've lost, be a man and admit it.
PS, ur an idiot..
realitycheck

Carmel, IN

#29645 Jun 27, 2012
I also left out the fact TM was probably high and his thinking was so altered that he behaved in such a crazy way. Can't blame it on the pot, it was ultimately TM's fault.

the westerner

“wisdom”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#29646 Jun 27, 2012
Be Truthful Be Free wrote:
<quoted text>
There is PLENTY of evidence to suggest that Zimmerman was the initial physical aggressor. Zimmerman ignored the advice of the law enforcement.
There's none, you idiotic, lying sack of shit. Zimmerman passed, he'll never, ever be convicted, likely the case will be thrown out.

Find someone else to hate.

the westerner

“wisdom”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#29647 Jun 27, 2012
sorry, liars and idiotic speculators, it's over:

News for zimmerman passed lie detector test

Zimmerman passed lie detector test
USA TODAY&#8206; - 56 minutes ago
George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer charged with murder in the death of Trayvon Martin, passed a lie detector test the day ...

Report: Zimmerman passed lie detector test following Trayvon Martin shooting
KSDK&#8206; - 2 hours ago

George Zimmerman Passed Police Lie Detector Test Day After ...
www.thesmokinggun.com/.../george-zimmerman-li... ...
21 hours ago – A day after killing Trayvon Martin, George Zimmerman passed a police lie detector test when asked if he confronted the teenager and whether ...
Zimmerman passed lie detector on night of Trayvon shooting
content.usatoday.com/...zimmerman-passed-firs...
A confidential report released Tuesday from Florida prosecutors shows that George Zimmerman passed a lie detector test the night he shot Trayvon Martin.
Confirmed: George Zimmerman Passed Lie Detector Test After ...
www.thegatewaypundit.com/.../confirmed-george... ...
1 hour ago – George Zimmerman passed a lie detector test the day after the Trayvon Martin shooting. During the questioning Zimmerman told police that he ...

the westerner

“wisdom”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#29648 Jun 27, 2012
scumbag, criminal, racist POS Martin attacked GZ and got his dumbass killed for it.

NBC will fork over millions for their sins.

GZ will laugh in your stupid looking faces as he counts his money.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#29649 Jun 27, 2012
Be Truthful Be Free wrote:
<quoted text>
There is PLENTY of evidence to suggest that Zimmerman was the initial physical aggressor. Zimmerman ignored the advice of the law enforcement.


First it was only advice and 911 advice is not always beneficial and second, 911 operators are not law enforcement officers.

A Denver man who called 911 to report a threatening road-rage encounter reluctantly followed a 911 dispatcher's order to return to the scene of the crime, where he was fatally shot while waiting for police.
http://news.yahoo.com/denver-911-apologizes-d...
Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#29650 Jun 27, 2012
the westerner wrote:
sorry, liars and idiotic speculators, it's over:
News for zimmerman passed lie detector test
Zimmerman passed lie detector test
USA TODAY&#8206; - 56 minutes ago
George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer charged with murder in the death of Trayvon Martin, passed a lie detector test the day ...
Report: Zimmerman passed lie detector test following Trayvon Martin shooting
KSDK&#8206; - 2 hours ago
George Zimmerman Passed Police Lie Detector Test Day After ...
www.thesmokinggun.com/.../george-zimmerman-li... ...
21 hours ago – A day after killing Trayvon Martin, George Zimmerman passed a police lie detector test when asked if he confronted the teenager and whether ...
Zimmerman passed lie detector on night of Trayvon shooting
content.usatoday.com/...zimmerman-passed-firs...
A confidential report released Tuesday from Florida prosecutors shows that George Zimmerman passed a lie detector test the night he shot Trayvon Martin.
Confirmed: George Zimmerman Passed Lie Detector Test After ...
www.thegatewaypundit.com/.../confirmed-george... ...
1 hour ago – George Zimmerman passed a lie detector test the day after the Trayvon Martin shooting. During the questioning Zimmerman told police that he ...
lol! And this means.... what?
Just Saying

Austin, TX

#29651 Jun 27, 2012
Robert Leamon killed Becky Stowe in 1993. He took a lie detector test shorly after she disappeared and passed it. He was illiminated as a suspect. Then 2 and 1/2 years later the following occurred.

Becky Stow murder case:

According to court documents, the defendant, 16-year-old Robert Leamon Jr., was accused of killing 15-year-old Rebecca Stowe, who disappeared on July 13, 1993 — the day after she informed the defendant she was pregnant with his child and would not have an abortion.

Leamon and Stowe lived about a mile apart in Niles and attended Brandywine High School. Stowe’s remains were found buried on Leamon’s uncle’s farm on Oct. 15, 1995.

According to newspaper reports found online, the day Leamon learned of his girlfriend’s pregnancy, he and a cousin drove to his uncle’s farm between Niles and Cassopolis and dug a deep hole, with Leamon remarking,“That’s big enough to bury the bitch.” The cousin assumed Leamon was joking about his intentions.

After Stowe’s death, Leamon told an ex-girlfriend he rekindled a relationship with, Angela Snyder, that he committed the murder. She eventually told her parents of his confession, and they contacted police.

He was found guilty of the murder and sentenced to life without parole!
Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#29652 Jun 27, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
First it was only advice and 911 advice is not always beneficial and second, 911 operators are not law enforcement officers.
A Denver man who called 911 to report a threatening road-rage encounter reluctantly followed a 911 dispatcher's order to return to the scene of the crime, where he was fatally shot while waiting for police.
http://news.yahoo.com/denver-911-apologizes-d...
Great. So out of his own volition, Zimmerman decided what he wanted to do.

Now he's established a conscious decision on his part.

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