What Divides Catholics and Protestants?

[keltec 9mm]

lincoln wrote:

<quoted text> well duh

LOL

"The expression ‘this rock’ almost certainly refers to Peter, following immediately after his name, just as the words following ‘the Christ’ in verse 16 applied to Jesus. The play on words in the Greek between Peter’s name (Petros) and the word ‘rock’(petra) makes sense only if Peter is the Rock and if Jesus is about to explain the significance of this identification"
CRAIG L. BLOMBERG
( CONTEMPORARY BAPTIST)
[New American Commentary: Matthew, 22:252].

[Louise]

lincoln the bible says your not to do personal intepretations and you can see why.

lincoln wrote:

<quoted text> The US Constitution is a man made document.
The Bible is inspired of God, 2 Timouthy 3:16,17.
It is not the Holy Spirit that gives 30,000 interpretations, it is man. Just like 1700 years ago when the church in Rome wanted to rule over all the other churches. No difference.

[Gary]

2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;
2Ti 3:17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

2Ti 2:15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.

Study God's Word. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17

www.brotherskeeperissions.com

[lincoln]

keltec 9mm wrote:

<quoted text>
If man can't interpret scripture correctly and we both agree he can't, then the fact that the Holy Spirit inspired the words is rather irrelevant.
Remember the words are true but the interpretations, including yours, are about 34,000 to 1 against being correct.
"For my part, I should not believe the gospel except moved by the authority of the Catholic Church."
Augustine (C. Epis Mani 5,6)

And Acts 17:11 gives us Biblical encouragement to search the Scriptures to prove what things are true. In fact, this is called "fairminded, noble" by the Holy Spirit.
Jesus said that the way is narrow. Wide is the gate and broad is the way to destruction and many will go in by it.
Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way that leads to life and few find it. Matthew 7:13,14.
So, if only 1 in 34,000 might be right,
In New York City today, that would be about 230 souls.
But if one of those 34,000 actually got it right, then I think noble and fairminded people would be able to recognize what things are true and the numbers would be higher. After all, it is the Holy Spirit and God is trying to save us. I believe the Holy Spirit is much more capable than you think.
Noble and fairminded people, believing and honestly wanting to be led by the Word of God, will be able to search the Scriptures and find thier way out of the 34,000 denominations and agree as one.

[Gary]

We need to realize that we need to be right on the gospel first. If we get the gospel is right the rest will come. Some quicker than others. Doctrine is very, very important, but we are saved by grace. I am very leary of any man that says he has all the answers and he is always right. hmmm Sounds like God or satan mascarading as God. Perfect theology is not nor never will be a requirement for salvation. Now after saying that, God will sanctify those that He justifies.

http://www.mountzion.org/fgb/Fall94/FgbF4-94....

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[lincoln]

Louise wrote:

lincoln the bible says your not to do personal intepretations and you can see why.<quoted text>

Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2 Timouthy 2:15

[Dust Storm]

lincoln wrote:

<quoted text> And Acts 17:11 gives us Biblical encouragement to search the Scriptures to prove what things are true. In fact, this is called "fairminded, noble" by the Holy Spirit.
Jesus said that the way is narrow. Wide is the gate and broad is the way to destruction and many will go in by it.
Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way that leads to life and few find it. Matthew 7:13,14.
So, if only 1 in 34,000 might be right,
In New York City today, that would be about 230 souls.
But if one of those 34,000 actually got it right, then I think noble and fairminded people would be able to recognize what things are true and the numbers would be higher. After all, it is the Holy Spirit and God is trying to save us. I believe the Holy Spirit is much more capable than you think.
Noble and fairminded people, believing and honestly wanting to be led by the Word of God, will be able to search the Scriptures and find thier way out of the 34,000 denominations and agree as one.

Oh you mean the writing to the people who were knowledgeable and in charge of the word. You mean the OT scriptures because much of the NT was not even written yet. Then there is that pesky adhere to what we have taught in tradition and in letters what Paul said, before alot of things were written. Then there is that chastisement in Corinthians about people like say yourself for example that themselves up as their own authority to interpret ingoring that NONE is for personal interpretation. I think you would be better off being the Ethiopian who asked, "How can I understand les some man tell me?" Hey Peter warned about personal interpretations so scream at him. You know Christ said to Peter I think I will call you an insigificant pebble meaning me cuz I am a jokester. I will quote Isaiah 22:22 just for kicks and promise you the keys, but I wont give them to you. Uh oh the word Father is in that area of Isaiah OOPS. But then again Christ knew the Jeroboams would be setting up their own priesthoods. 34,000 sects is gentle wiki is now up to 38,000. Bible Scrabble for Protestants its like the scarecrow on the wizard of Oz. This way looks like a good direction but so does that way. Good luck with that.

[Coolmind]

they argue 2 versions of the same BS ghost story... catholics are just better at ripping of the people so they can put the pope in white silk and gold and build billion dollar cathedrals

god is pretend

[lincoln]

keltec 9mm wrote:

<quoted text>
LOL
"The expression ‘this rock’ almost certainly refers to Peter, following immediately after his name, just as the words following ‘the Christ’ in verse 16 applied to Jesus. The play on words in the Greek between Peter’s name (Petros) and the word ‘rock’(petra) makes sense only if Peter is the Rock and if Jesus is about to explain the significance of this identification"
CRAIG L. BLOMBERG
( CONTEMPORARY BAPTIST)
[New American Commentary: Matthew, 22:252].

The "subject" of this conversation is that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God. This is what had been revealed to Peter by the Father who is in heaven. This is the Chief Cornerstone of a spiritual house. 1 Peter 2:4-7.
This confession is the result of "preached Jesus" as in the example of a salvation in Acts 8:35-37.

[keltec 9mm]

lincoln wrote:

<quoted text> And Acts 17:11 gives us Biblical encouragement to search the Scriptures to prove what things are true. In fact, this is called "fairminded, noble" by the Holy Spirit.
Jesus said that the way is narrow. Wide is the gate and broad is the way to destruction and many will go in by it.
Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way that leads to life and few find it. Matthew 7:13,14.
So, if only 1 in 34,000 might be right,
In New York City today, that would be about 230 souls.
But if one of those 34,000 actually got it right, then I think noble and fairminded people would be able to recognize what things are true and the numbers would be higher. After all, it is the Holy Spirit and God is trying to save us. I believe the Holy Spirit is much more capable than you think.
Noble and fairminded people, believing and honestly wanting to be led by the Word of God, will be able to search the Scriptures and find thier way out of the 34,000 denominations and agree as one.

Encouragement is good but scripture does not claim to be the only teaching authority for Christianity. By the way, the 34000 are Christian denominations, not individual Christians, so back to the drawing board.

[Gary]

God is not pretend, but I will not even argue with you on this. I will pray that God opens your eyes to the truth.

www.brotherskeepermissions.com

[lincoln]

Dust Storm wrote:

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Oh you mean the writing to the people who were knowledgeable and in charge of the word. You mean the OT scriptures because much of the NT was not even written yet. Then there is that pesky adhere to what we have taught in tradition and in letters what Paul said, before alot of things were written. Then there is that chastisement in Corinthians about people like say yourself for example that themselves up as their own authority to interpret ingoring that NONE is for personal interpretation. I think you would be better off being the Ethiopian who asked, "How can I understand les some man tell me?" Hey Peter warned about personal interpretations so scream at him. You know Christ said to Peter I think I will call you an insigificant pebble meaning me cuz I am a jokester. I will quote Isaiah 22:22 just for kicks and promise you the keys, but I wont give them to you. Uh oh the word Father is in that area of Isaiah OOPS. But then again Christ knew the Jeroboams would be setting up their own priesthoods. 34,000 sects is gentle wiki is now up to 38,000. Bible Scrabble for Protestants its like the scarecrow on the wizard of Oz. This way looks like a good direction but so does that way. Good luck with that.

Peter used the "keys". First he opens the Kingdom to the Jews in Acts 2 and then to the gentiles in Acts 10.

[Gary]

lincoln wrote:

<quoted text> Peter used the "keys". First he opens the Kingdom to the Jews in Acts 2 and then to the gentiles in Acts 10.

What Church do you attend Lincoln?

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[lincoln]

Dust Storm wrote:

<quoted text>
Oh you mean the writing to the people who were knowledgeable and in charge of the word. You mean the OT scriptures because much of the NT was not even written yet. Then there is that pesky adhere to what we have taught in tradition and in letters what Paul said, before alot of things were written. Then there is that chastisement in Corinthians about people like say yourself for example that themselves up as their own authority to interpret ingoring that NONE is for personal interpretation. I think you would be better off being the Ethiopian who asked, "How can I understand les some man tell me?" Hey Peter warned about personal interpretations so scream at him. You know Christ said to Peter I think I will call you an insigificant pebble meaning me cuz I am a jokester. I will quote Isaiah 22:22 just for kicks and promise you the keys, but I wont give them to you. Uh oh the word Father is in that area of Isaiah OOPS. But then again Christ knew the Jeroboams would be setting up their own priesthoods. 34,000 sects is gentle wiki is now up to 38,000. Bible Scrabble for Protestants its like the scarecrow on the wizard of Oz. This way looks like a good direction but so does that way. Good luck with that.

The Ethiopian needed someone to help him because at that time he did not have the revelation of the mystery;
"Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began but now made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures made known to all nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith-" Romans 16:25,26.

[keltec 9mm]

lincoln wrote:

<quoted text> Peter used the "keys". First he opens the Kingdom to the Jews in Acts 2 and then to the gentiles in Acts 10.

You will also notice nowhere in scripture does Jesus ask for the keys back. The catholic church still has them.

"Peter, who is called 'the rock on which the church should be built,' who also obtained 'the keys of the kingdom of heaven...'"
Tertullian, On the Prescription Against the Heretics, 22 (c. A.D. 200).

[keltec 9mm]

lincoln wrote:

<quoted text>
The Ethiopian needed someone to help him because at that time he did not have the revelation of the mystery;
"Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began but now made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures made known to all nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith-" Romans 16:25,26.

Seems with 34000 different Christian sects the Ethiopian isn't the only one who didn't get the mystery revealed.

[keltec 9mm]

lincoln wrote:

<quoted text>
The "subject" of this conversation is that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God. This is what had been revealed to Peter by the Father who is in heaven. This is the Chief Cornerstone of a spiritual house. 1 Peter 2:4-7.
This confession is the result of "preached Jesus" as in the example of a salvation in Acts 8:35-37.

True and Jesus founded His earthly church on Peter. Now you got it, praise the lord!!

[keltec 9mm]

Coolmind wrote:

they argue 2 versions of the same BS ghost story... catholics are just better at ripping of the people so they can put the pope in white silk and gold and build billion dollar cathedrals
god is pretend

"I think only an idiot can be an atheist. We must admit that there exists an incomprehensible power or force with limitless foresight and knowledge that started the whole universe going in the first place."
Christian Anfinsen, Nobel Laureate in Chemistry

[lincoln]

keltec 9mm wrote:

<quoted text>
Encouragement is good but scripture does not claim to be the only teaching authority for Christianity. By the way, the 34000 are Christian denominations, not individual Christians, so back to the drawing board.

Scripture is the only teaching authority that you can proof text.
The letters contain direct instructions.
The "traditions of the Apostles" are also recorded in Scripture. In the history record of Luke's book of Acts.
For instance, in Acts 20:7 we see the Apostolic example of the "tradition" of the disciples coming togeather to break bread (the Lord's Supper) on the first of the week. Sunday, the first day of the week.
Many denominations don't know about this Apostles tradition recorded in the New Testament history. These denominations claim that worshipping on the first day of the week was apostacy brought in by the Catholic Church.
But assembling on the first (day) of the week was practiced by the 1st century Christians.
The first of the week is not the Jewish Sabbath. The "first of the week" is Sunday and is the Christians Lord's Day".
An Apostolic Tradition.

[Dust Storm]

lincoln wrote:

<quoted text>
The Ethiopian needed someone to help him because at that time he did not have the revelation of the mystery;
"Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began but now made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures made known to all nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith-" Romans 16:25,26.

Yes peter was mistaken when he said none is for personal interpretation to believers. They didnt go home with their kjv lights and interpret for themselves with the help of some shouting blabberhead protestant minister of righteousness leading people astray. Fly away flay away. Ezekiel 13 God isnt excited about false prophets. Oh yeah Margaret Mcdonald had a vision alright. Thess 2 the Apostacy must come first. Martin Luther perhaps. Too bad half the world still cant read. Thats probably the Churches fault too. Naw education and hospitals and charities those were Catholic ideologies. No the Church wasnt perfect, but hey it doesnt matter who prints a Bible, how its translated, its all good. Its the word of God right? Who decided? By whose authority did you get the book you worship alone as sole rule?

BTW did the keys get assumed into heaven after Peter used them a couple of times? If Christ was king and in the kings absence the key holder rules that was tradition so it must be bad. Vaguely peter mentioned how it was revealed to him and when he spoke on circumcision they fell silent. Christ set up authority. There was no book. The Bible says to submit to authority. I dont agree I think I will start my own church. What was that about inspiration of the Holy Sprit said? If your nice maybe Keltic will help you out.