Twinkies maker Hostess plans to go out of business

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As President Barack Obama and congressional leaders prepared for budget and tax talks on Friday aimed at preventing the economy from falling back into recession, a top Republican vowed to overhaul the U.S. tax code next year.

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“Liberal Teachers ruin Kids”

Since: Mar 09

Paradise Valley Arizona

#785 Nov 25, 2012
inbred Genius wrote:
I've been away...how did the walmart strike go?
It looked like they had the best day ever, Millions just avoided the radical socialist union morons and went shopping

“Liberal Teachers ruin Kids”

Since: Mar 09

Paradise Valley Arizona

#786 Nov 25, 2012
SWITCH wrote:
<quoted text>You can't talk to people that have know knowledge of the economy,only what MSNBC and OBAMA tell them,.
Yes that is the problem, these highly indoctrinated Obama bots usually havent a clue
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#787 Nov 25, 2012
General Robert E Lee wrote:
<quoted text>
The democrats have already done that.
lol! They you should leave son.

May I suggest Somalia? They have no constitution, they have many more freedoms and gun laws are pretty non existent.

Have a great time there!
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#788 Nov 25, 2012
General Robert E Lee wrote:
<quoted text>
History has proven that this type of socialistic extreme, akin to communism, fails, every time. Those in favor of this system, are proof of a failed educational system.
lol! you kumquats like to claim history is on your side, then stop right there!

Must be the same place where your indoctrination ended!
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#789 Nov 25, 2012
General Robert E Lee wrote:
<quoted text>
Put some intelligent bait on that hook, maybe you'll get a bite.
lol! You people are already hooked son and you don't even know it!
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#790 Nov 25, 2012
General Robert E Lee wrote:
<quoted text>
One of my enterprises will cease to exist on January 21, 2013, because of Obamacare. The remainder of my companies will be shut down by the end of the year, because of Obamacare.
lol! You people always blame others for your problems while claiming to be independent.

Geez you people are whiners!
Village Mystery

Huntsville, AL

#791 Nov 25, 2012
Jim wrote:
<quoted text>
You are mostly right and I'd love nothing more than to see us break free from this idiotic idea called 'global economy'.
We had few friends helping us when this country started out, and we'd have even fewer today if we weren't so giving to the rest of the world.
The world that would not and will not do us any favors without something in return.
Too many of us (in both party lines) yell and scream about our rights, but we cower away when faced with the reality that those rights came at a price. A personal price that meant personal sacrifice.
We're not done yet though, you mentioned pipeline and fumes...
Fracking (google it if you're not up on it) will change this countries resources/self worth very soon.
We will have a thriving job sector very soon; for all levels of education.
The only thing we'll need to make us great again will be enough backbone to fend off this idea that we should all be socialists and kowtow to the stupid global economy. The one I just stated was never there for us.
It's up to us as Americans to bring America back.
The current administration sucks, but we can change that.
I think the reason we didn't change it this election is because there was nothing better offered, plain and simple.
Well that's kind of my point - the "nothing better offered" comment. Mostly Americans wait to see what they are offered and when it comes to politicians they won't get much of a choice. A society that has and is being trained to depend on the OTHER - always someone else to take responsibility - will not become "America" again.

Radically addressing the education system in the country is the only way to solve the problem. Mandating classes in political philosophy, or philosophy in general (the real stuff, not nihilistic propaganda like marxism/socialism), the study of the Enlightenment and the resulting creation of the US, studies in propaganda, and of course a core curriculum focused on self-reliance. TEACHING people how to live as Individuals.

What the leftists propose and are succeeding at can only be countered with such a thing. When society is just left to blindly follow a course it will weaken and become thoroughly corrupted.
Village Mystery

Huntsville, AL

#792 Nov 26, 2012
Some Random Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree with your overall message in this post. We are as a nation (and a world) in the midst of a huge transformation. However, a sticking point in your argument for me is the part about "others" providing this or that and that there will be "less" jobs in the future, regardless of education. The simple fact is, there will have to be some kind of gainful employment for the vast majority of people or we will be in big trouble. People will have to earn a living honestly or they will simply turn to crime to survive. There's no way around that. It's self-preservation. Contrary to the rhetorical notion that people can somehow form their own business in lieu of a wage-earning job is just not practical. There is a possibility that people with similar skills could network and share resources to achieve a common goal, but I think a lot of people (especially conservatives) would consider that to be a form of communism... especially the common ownership part of it. At any rate, it would be basically impossible for individuals to acquire the tools necessary to produce in the volumes necessary to create a viable income for themselves on their own. People need each other, regardless of our so-called claim of independence. Current businesses are basically a large such network of individuals, only the ownership of the capital (equipment and supplies) is most often owned by a separate party (or parties). Perhaps private, common ownership WOULD be a good direction for us to go as a society. One where people pool their resources together in a way like I described above. It would certainly beat our current system where we have a few people skimming most of the rewards off the top for simply sitting in meetings.
I think people voluntarily forming an economic collective is a good thing but only if they leave others to do what they need to do to provide for themselves as well. It's why my first comment here pondered why the Hostess employees don't do such a thing and then I concluded it's because they think that is the responsibility of others, as if there is some organic being called the "employer" who exists to provide for them.

The language of "labor" always implies that they exist to "work" while others exist to provide the work. It's delusional. They resign to and feed off of capitalism all the while attacking it. It's unseemly and its' hypocrisy eats away at things.

I'm not really talking about what is "practical". I'm talking about doing radical things. Starting a company is a radical thing in and of itself - as is starting a co-op or collective. For instance, the "occupy movement". They probably received close to a million dollars but will they buy tons of land and create the community they demand everyone else create? No. Americans used to do things like that - even many of the "hippies" at least tried. Again, it's why America exists as it does, because people used to be unafraid and they didn't scream and cry for the perpetual "safety net" and demand that we all be chained to each other.

It's simple, the "west" either stops promoting dependent societies and forcing collectivism but also actively educates for an independent society - or it doesn't survive, politically or economically.

“Marble Man”

Since: Jul 11

Dallas, GA

#793 Nov 26, 2012
Truth be known wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't you mean the Romninsky Care Plan. Didn't Obama mirror some provisions and ideas stemming from Romney's health care reform when he was governor of Massachusetts.
Some, being the key word.

“Marble Man”

Since: Jul 11

Dallas, GA

#794 Nov 26, 2012
Jim wrote:
<quoted text>
As long as you have something to blame for your personal failures.
Wrong, Obama has that angle covered.

“Marble Man”

Since: Jul 11

Dallas, GA

#795 Nov 26, 2012
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>lol! You people always blame others for your problems while claiming to be independent.
Geez you people are whiners!
And you lwld's are independent? That's funny.
Some Random Dude

Santa Cruz, CA

#796 Nov 26, 2012
Village Mystery wrote:
<quoted text>
I think people voluntarily forming an economic collective is a good thing but only if they leave others to do what they need to do to provide for themselves as well. It's why my first comment here pondered why the Hostess employees don't do such a thing and then I concluded it's because they think that is the responsibility of others, as if there is some organic being called the "employer" who exists to provide for them.
The language of "labor" always implies that they exist to "work" while others exist to provide the work. It's delusional. They resign to and feed off of capitalism all the while attacking it. It's unseemly and its' hypocrisy eats away at things.
I'm not really talking about what is "practical". I'm talking about doing radical things. Starting a company is a radical thing in and of itself - as is starting a co-op or collective. For instance, the "occupy movement". They probably received close to a million dollars but will they buy tons of land and create the community they demand everyone else create? No. Americans used to do things like that - even many of the "hippies" at least tried. Again, it's why America exists as it does, because people used to be unafraid and they didn't scream and cry for the perpetual "safety net" and demand that we all be chained to each other.
It's simple, the "west" either stops promoting dependent societies and forcing collectivism but also actively educates for an independent society - or it doesn't survive, politically or economically.
I agree with a lot of what you said. As I stated before, I think (as you put it eloquently) "voluntary collectives" would be the way to go for large scale cooperation; provided they were PRIVATE and not related to gov't or ANY other form or hierarchical control. One of the big problems with society as we know it is that it is hierarchical... and hierarchy begets dependency (in BOTH directions). When you say that "labor" feeds off capitalism, you neglect to mention the fact the most of the leadership in larger business does the same thing to a much larger degree. Did most of them come up with the product? No. Did they really do anything other than get an enhanced accounting degree? No. I'm having trouble grasping how that entitles them to take most of the proceeds from the hard work of so many individuals. AS far as the "safety net" goes... If we had a more cooperative society, there would still be some sort of safety net for those who truly needed it, but it would be something that was organized through their local collective or something like that.

“Sharia, NOT!”

Since: Jul 10

Chesapeake, VA

#797 Nov 26, 2012
ToManyLaws wrote:
<quoted text>
I own my own business....What do you do?
Amway or Mary Kay are not considered owning a business.
Industrial construction is which employs folks like I do.
Bob Lewis

AOL

#799 Nov 26, 2012
responder wrote:
<quoted text>
Just as when you hear reTHUGlicans using "class war" they really mean "poor and middle class people upset at the widening division of wealth in America." To them, rich people are incapable of "class warfare," even though they have all the power and lobby and pass legislation in their OWN interests constantly.
Unions are made up of middle-class people, to be sure, but not all middle-class people are unionized labor, obviously. ReTHUGlicans have done all they could to destroy unions in recent decades, mostly because they want to reduce the organizing power of the average American and put them into a state of low-paying wage-slavery. Unions also organize during elections, and given that they only represent white people, reTHUGlicans are desperate to destroy the political organizing power of the people. Why else did they go after ACORN so savagely? Why do they always refer to Mr. Obama as "the community organizer?" Because they HATE that.
Obama talks to the middle class because he is of middle class origin. Mr. Romney was not, he was never anything but a spoiled rich boy, and acted like it even AFTER losing the election. My advice to your party would be to choose a man or woman of the PEOPLE next time, if you want to have a chance to succeed. Hell, in that sense PALIN was a better choice than Romney, mentally deficient or not!
LOL
America will survive. Better for Unions to drive Businesses into Bankruptcy than to face today's economic realities like every one else must do. Obama will provide food stamps, Section 8, and welfare for ALL of his loyal followers who lose their Jobs.. 20,000,000 more Americans are on Food Stamps than when Obama was elected in 2008. Work is for SUCKERS.

Big Brother will force our pitiful kids to borrow Trillions more to provide you with what your family needs. All Hail THE Obama!!! The Voters have spoken. They agreed that America was an awful Country that needed to be destroyed.

“Forever Is Promised To No One”

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#800 Nov 26, 2012
ToManyLaws wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL...The people here want to work.. But not for slave wages in slave like conditions....OH AND BLAME HOSTESS ON THE GREEDY FRONT OFFICE WHO AHEV ALL SEEN 300% RAISES IN LAST 10 YEARS..
So sick of you evil demonic slime blaming the workingclass for what the rich have done..
To post lies indicates you have bent spokes and probably a loose wheel.

“Forever Is Promised To No One”

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#801 Nov 26, 2012
Constitution-lover wrote:
Lazy workers should be happy they get paid at all.
Remember though, they are entitled.

“Marble Man”

Since: Jul 11

Dallas, GA

#802 Nov 26, 2012

“Forever Is Promised To No One”

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#803 Nov 26, 2012
General Robert E Lee wrote:
http://english.pravda.ru/opini on/columnists/19-11-2012/12284 9-obama_soviet_mistake-0/
Even Puting gets it, even without candy.

“Forever Is Promised To No One”

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#804 Nov 26, 2012
Putin.
Brad

Manchester, CT

#805 Nov 26, 2012
au contraire wrote:
<quoted text>Remember though, they are entitled.
Wealth is always evil till they own it,then its deserved.

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