The new (Suicidal) GOP establishment

The new (Suicidal) GOP establishment

There are 104 comments on the New York Post story from Feb 4, 2013, titled The new (Suicidal) GOP establishment. In it, New York Post reports that:

The New Establishment's leaders claim to speak for the very loose agglomeration of voters who gathered three years ago under the banner of the Tea Party, and they angrily assert that anyone who has a different view of how best to achieve conservative aims isn't a conservative at all.

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serfs up

Melbourne, FL

#66 Feb 6, 2013
Mykro wrote:
<quoted text>'serf's out' drivel.
What are you talking about, Saul?
Billy Ringo

United States

#67 Feb 6, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> Your racist and bigoted remarks are going to boomer rang on you someday. And the way we are going not a long way off. The least you can do is study a situation instead of grandstanding with your posts blaming that one group of people who have paid the freight and are being blamed for the sin of getting old and providing less to the progressive coffers. If you don't get it, one of their worries is that the social security and medicare they were forced to pay into in a heavy mannered way is the scape goat of all our problems now that the taxes are slowing down from them and now starting to collect. You should be worried about all of those people not white using all of their genius in creating new jobs to offset those mean old white people. So far you are failing. Not even close. And progressives have always had the answers. There is a difference between the talk and the walk though. Its your world now go to it.
Not blaming anyone for anything - simply making an observation.

If you were honest, you would have to agree with me.
serfs up

Melbourne, FL

#68 Feb 6, 2013
Billy Ringo wrote:
<quoted text>
Not blaming anyone for anything - simply making an observation.
If you were honest, you would have to agree with me.
I lived my life and experienced things, you have lived yours. If someone everyday is tearing you apart like in the media or making things up or grossly making things sound worse then what they are or threatening to be killed then you respond. Even with that, the movement your in favor of continues to move left. And I see no replacing at the levels needed to sustain our nation. Living off of our laurels now. And unfortunately for you and for the rest of us, it was achieved by the people you hate. That is honest.

Since: Feb 08

Hypoluxo Fl

#69 Feb 6, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> What are you talking about, Saul?
'serf's out' drivel
serfs up

Melbourne, FL

#70 Feb 6, 2013
Mykro wrote:
<quoted text>'serf's out' drivel
What are you talking about, Saul?
Robert

Douglasville, GA

#71 Feb 6, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> Robert, there are issues with conservatives on some or much of what you wrote. Stem cells comes from the fetus and then brings the abortion issue into play. There are Repubs who don't have a problem with these issues. There are libertarians who have no issue with what you wrote. But there are a good amount that believe it is murder and that is a fact. On the other hand, people can say the same things about the progressive movement. We only have two parties. But many views.
The bush administration even blocked the use of stem cells from embryos at fertility centers which were going to otherwise be destroyed. They are so wrapped up in it that rather than allow scientist to use it for research they would rather leave it to be destroyed. That is crazy, so is the abortion issue, they can feel like abortion is murder all they want but the simple fact is that it is not, if it were abortions would be illegal. We will never, never, never go back to the abortion laws of the 50s and 60s, it is just not going to happen anyone with knowledge of the law or politics knows this. Some republicans hold on to these religious based political beliefs so strong that instead of ending up with a moderate republican they get someone like Obama, just how did that help their cause. The tea party and religious right republicans will hold on to people like Todd Akins and Richard Murdock to their own exclusion in politics.
serfs up

Melbourne, FL

#72 Feb 6, 2013
Robert wrote:
<quoted text>
The bush administration even blocked the use of stem cells from embryos at fertility centers which were going to otherwise be destroyed. They are so wrapped up in it that rather than allow scientist to use it for research they would rather leave it to be destroyed. That is crazy, so is the abortion issue, they can feel like abortion is murder all they want but the simple fact is that it is not, if it were abortions would be illegal. We will never, never, never go back to the abortion laws of the 50s and 60s, it is just not going to happen anyone with knowledge of the law or politics knows this. Some republicans hold on to these religious based political beliefs so strong that instead of ending up with a moderate republican they get someone like Obama, just how did that help their cause. The tea party and religious right republicans will hold on to people like Todd Akins and Richard Murdock to their own exclusion in politics.
I disagree with you on issues you may approve of and believe they won't change. One thing about humanity. when you least expect it, something happens. Or humanity moves into a direction that causes strife between people. governments usually go to wars to cover for their own gaffes in ruling. You see what the results are after the fact. Nations can suffer for a number of years or generations from their own beat down of the people. America today is a cauldron when it comes to opposing views. Civil liberties and resources are the two major planks of our culture now with massive deficits and debts. And the resources are getting tight. This makes things dangerous. And if some major event happens, that changes what you and I argue or talk about. To me, it is deescalating the chance for that event to happen and then resume our arguments or talks about our nation. No movement on that issue. So something will most likely happen somewhere.
Your Ex

United States

#73 Feb 6, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> What are you talking about, Saul?
"Better Call Saul!"

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#74 Feb 6, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> They may not. But the prospect of the coming tyranny of a great police state will dry the tears from many eyes. Watching men and women being dragged out of their houses and sent to camps as production slaves is nirvana. Of course you can't get a good hard line government going without a dumb azz proletariat being used to bring it on. Dems have had power since 2006. Still got wars. Still have more tyranny laws being enacted and expanded. Still have the rich getting their goodies. And the middle class have had their taxes increased by the party who cares for them. When all of us peons do our taxes, we will see the special interests on our returns. Signed by Dems.
What are you talking about, Saul?
serfs up

Melbourne, FL

#75 Feb 6, 2013
Your Ex wrote:
<quoted text>
"Better Call Saul!"
Saul done his damage! Bwhahahaa!

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#76 Feb 6, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> Robert, there are issues with conservatives on some or much of what you wrote. Stem cells comes from the fetus and then brings the abortion issue into play. There are Repubs who don't have a problem with these issues. There are libertarians who have no issue with what you wrote. But there are a good amount that believe it is murder and that is a fact. On the other hand, people can say the same things about the progressive movement. We only have two parties. But many views.
I agree with Robert....neither party has any right at all to the telling of people, what they can or cannot do with their bodies....it is our most basic freedom....
Chicopee

United States

#77 Feb 6, 2013
Robert wrote:
<quoted text>
The bush administration even blocked the use of stem cells from embryos at fertility centers which were going to otherwise be destroyed. They are so wrapped up in it that rather than allow scientist to use it for research they would rather leave it to be destroyed. That is crazy, so is the abortion issue, they can feel like abortion is murder all they want but the simple fact is that it is not, if it were abortions would be illegal. We will never, never, never go back to the abortion laws of the 50s and 60s, it is just not going to happen anyone with knowledge of the law or politics knows this. Some republicans hold on to these religious based political beliefs so strong that instead of ending up with a moderate republican they get someone like Obama, just how did that help their cause. The tea party and religious right republicans will hold on to people like Todd Akins and Richard Murdock to their own exclusion in politics.
I'm a pro-choice Democrat, a mother of two young women and not at all religious. I also come from a family of pro-choice nurses, many who have worked OB-GYN and child birth...and they are adamantly pro-choice.
I support Roe v Wade to the letter of the law...and that's all I support. Early second term in legitimate cases, no third term abortions.
My views are shared by many people I know, who claim to be either pro-life or pro-choice and including the above mentioned practitioners.
I don't think this is nearly the political party issue you and many others like to make it out to be. The Todd Akins and Richard Murdock's make up a small percentage of anti-choice people, though the media couldn't get enough of it and blew that comments way out of proportion and tried to paint the whole of the Repub party with them.
For the first time since the 1973 decision, pro-lifers are outnumbering pro-choicers. But if there was comprehensive polling data, you will find that many have swung pro-life because we in this country are going way too far in the name of abortion, and some groups are now openly calling for unfettered abortion on demand right up until week 40.
Read the Roe decision and others that followed and you will find questions and arguments about viability of the fetus...even the SC agrees that at some point, it's a human, not a fetus.
Because in the end, I think it's the unfettered on demand abortion groups that will end up doing the most harm on this issue. And that is as it should be. A line must be drawn somewhere.
Chicopee

United States

#78 Feb 6, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>I agree with Robert....neither party has any right at all to the telling of people, what they can or cannot do with their bodies....it is our most basic freedom....
So...you're against Obamacare, which gives medical review boards the power to tell us what medical procedures that we can or can't have??
Robert

Douglasville, GA

#79 Feb 7, 2013
Chicopee wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm a pro-choice Democrat, a mother of two young women and not at all religious. I also come from a family of pro-choice nurses, many who have worked OB-GYN and child birth...and they are adamantly pro-choice.
I support Roe v Wade to the letter of the law...and that's all I support. Early second term in legitimate cases, no third term abortions.
My views are shared by many people I know, who claim to be either pro-life or pro-choice and including the above mentioned practitioners.
I don't think this is nearly the political party issue you and many others like to make it out to be. The Todd Akins and Richard Murdock's make up a small percentage of anti-choice people, though the media couldn't get enough of it and blew that comments way out of proportion and tried to paint the whole of the Repub party with them.
For the first time since the 1973 decision, pro-lifers are outnumbering pro-choicers. But if there was comprehensive polling data, you will find that many have swung pro-life because we in this country are going way too far in the name of abortion, and some groups are now openly calling for unfettered abortion on demand right up until week 40.
Read the Roe decision and others that followed and you will find questions and arguments about viability of the fetus...even the SC agrees that at some point, it's a human, not a fetus.
Because in the end, I think it's the unfettered on demand abortion groups that will end up doing the most harm on this issue. And that is as it should be. A line must be drawn somewhere.
Wanting to keep religion and government separate does not mean you hate religion and being pro choice does not mean you love abortions.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#80 Feb 7, 2013
Chicopee wrote:
<quoted text>
So...you're against Obamacare, which gives medical review boards the power to tell us what medical procedures that we can or can't have??
A plan for universal healthcare, is not the same topic....stay on point....
serfs up

Melbourne, FL

#81 Feb 7, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>I agree with Robert....neither party has any right at all to the telling of people, what they can or cannot do with their bodies....it is our most basic freedom....
So is keeping our tax monies. a fair amount is fine. Give us our monies....you can't! We have become a selfish corrupted people that are all owed. and you have a healthy percentage who paid into it legally, getting ready to collect and getting the blame for the downfall.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#82 Feb 7, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> So is keeping our tax monies. a fair amount is fine. Give us our monies....you can't! We have become a selfish corrupted people that are all owed. and you have a healthy percentage who paid into it legally, getting ready to collect and getting the blame for the downfall.
Can't blame the GOP or Bush for all of our money woes....just most.....
serfs up

Melbourne, FL

#83 Feb 7, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Can't blame the GOP or Bush for all of our money woes....just most.....
Same old... same old.
Robert

Douglasville, GA

#84 Feb 7, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Can't blame the GOP or Bush for all of our money woes....just most.....
Our money woes are over debt, the driver of our debt is entitlement spending. How you figure that is bush s fault?

Since: Aug 12

Buffalo, NY

#85 Feb 7, 2013
Chicopee wrote:
<quoted text>
So...you're against Obamacare, which gives medical review boards the power to tell us what medical procedures that we can or can't have??
Health care has had 'Death panels' for years.
These existing Death panels use corporate profits to determine level of care that you will receive.
Obama's health care would eliminate two levers that private companies use as reasons for denying care. Existing conditions and hard caps on care.
A publicly controlled death panel would in be required to take into account, available funds as well the effectiveness of the proposed treatment. An insurance company already determines which drugs you may or may not receive by their covering or not covering the drug that your doctor has prescribed .
Either way some one will determine the care you will receive.
If it is an insurance company it will be profit that will become the determining factor
A publicly controlled board would be subjected to and more sensitive to political pressure thus, far easier to to influence

If you believe that no one was limiting your care under the for profit model, you need to look again
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