Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say

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Scientists from around the world are providing even more evidence of global warming, one day after President Barack Obama renewed his call for climate legislation.
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Since: Jan 13

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#23762 Feb 9, 2013
martinezjosei wrote:
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When ate you going to catch up with the exposed emails?
Did Obama sign the Kyoto protocol?
Why not?
Because even Obama knows it is a hoax to make his friend Al Gore rich, that's all.
And a ready made excuse to raise taxes and CONTROL, CONTROL and CONTROL!!!
Had seen the snow storms in the North East?
wake up and read those email, I did, you might actually learn something...
Hint: government grant!!!
Well, you are consistent, Josť- consistently clueless.

"When ate you..."? Hmmm.

The "exposed emails" mean nothing. Firstly, a "trick" in math or science isn't anything deceptive, it's a way of simplifying or understanding things. Nothing nefarious about it.

"Mike's (Michael E Mann, lead author of the study) trick" was putting modern, measured temperatures together with tree ring data from the past; tree ring width & wood density are proxies for past temps. This was the famous "hockey stick" paper. It was an excellent idea that has been verified many times over by other studies.

Most tree rings widen, & their wood becomes less dense, with higher temps. However, SOME northern trees show a reversal of this pattern; we know from measurements that temps are increasing, but tree right widths are decreasing. This has been called the "divergence problem" in the literature.

Because they were anomalous, Mann et al threw out those data. The email that said "hide the decline" referred to declining tree ring widths.

In their scientific paper, of course, they didn't hide it, THEY CALLED ATTENTION TO IT! They asked other scientists to help figure out why it was happening, & several hypotheses have been proposed.

No less than 6 formal reviews have found NOTHING wrong with the science. More important is the fact that other scientists, using other proxies, have verified Mann et al's original idea. Presuming you're not colorblind, it's easy to see how other studies have confirmed the original.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1000_Year_T...

Why didn't Obama sign the Kyoto Protocol? Uh, gee - maybe because the Senate rejected it unanimously? Al Gore doesn't need Obama to get rich, BTW, he's got plenty of money now, not just from the sale of Current TV, but also from getting onto the boards (with stock options) of Google & Apple at just the right time.

Remember, a revenue-neutral carbon tax removes ZERO money from the economy & adds ZERO to the cost of government. It just takes money from high carbon emitters & gives it to low carbon emitters. It stimulates the economy, getting entrepreneurs to use their creativity on renewable energy.

Remember that 8 of the 12 largest companies in the world by revenue are oil companies; 2 are auto manufacturers, one a utility, & the other is WalMart. They ALL have direct financial interests in AGW/CC denial. Careful laws could make the car makers, utility & WalMart more neutral, but the oil companies will always fight it tooth & nail.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/global...

There is no (repeat, NO) money in supporting AGW/CC; the money is in denial. I mean DUH.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzh8fhMUmU1...

The deniers have almost unimaginable amounts of money to confuse the science, but we must continually speak truth to power. Scientific facts are true no matter how many times you cluelessly deny them, & no matter how much oil money wants them to be false.

Since: Jan 13

Fairfax, VA

#23763 Feb 9, 2013
Kyle wrote:
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Where do you get these outrageous lies?! Seriously. I want your sources because these are some of the most blatantly counterfactual claims I've heard in a while. Put up or shut up.
She has said at times it is Rush Limbaugh, FOX, ClimateDepot...

ie.the worst lying right wing sites to be found on the internet.

But watch out, if you tell her that, she will THEN claim she is not... ideological.

Of course in the next breath she will argue NASA's official climate site is a possible left wing site...

LOL.
Brit Expat

Calvisson, France

#23764 Feb 9, 2013
Wallop10 wrote:
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She has said at times it is Rush Limbaugh, FOX, ClimateDepot...
ie.the worst lying right wing sites to be found on the internet.
But watch out, if you tell her that, she will THEN claim she is not... ideological.
Of course in the next breath she will argue NASA's official climate site is a possible left wing site...
LOL.
Hee hee, Talking about Limbaugh!

Since: Jan 13

Fairfax, VA

#23765 Feb 9, 2013
Brit Expat wrote:
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Hee hee, Talking about Limbaugh!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Vzrxy9A7Ja4XX
Yup, another ideologue.
Knee Grow

Green Bay, WI

#23766 Feb 9, 2013
Will global warming cause me to get darker? Should I stay out of the sun?
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#23768 Feb 9, 2013
You'll get darker as flies find you.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#23769 Feb 9, 2013
"marred & tinny joke" wrote:
80% of Obama followers are ignorant the other 20% keep them that way."
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litesong wrote:
Democrats are more numerous & percentage-wise have more engineering, mathematics & science degrees than re-pubic-lick-uns, thus building the foundations of wealth.

As far as a group that keeps some people poor & ignorant, re-pubic-lick-un upper class paper shufflers & people shovers, don't pay engineers, scientists, mathematicians, technologists, planners, blue-collars, secretaries, or minimum wage workers their due. However, 100 million dollar bonus, stock, & retirement packages are handed out freely to those shufflers & shovers who don't earn them. Hedge funds were another way the shufflers & shovers were able to scam $4 billion dollar packages away from worker bees.

Yeah,'marred & tinny joke' is a schemer & siphons off his unearned wealth from the worker bees. Then he attacks, to make sure worker bees are distracted from his shenanigans.
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litesong wrote:
If Liberals ate do smart why all their ideas crash on flames?
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litesong wrote:
The incomprehensible sentences of 'marred & tinny joke' are incomprehensible not just because English is its second language.

If only re-pubic-lick-uns conceived, developed, engineered, produced & ran world technology, advanced societies wouldn't be advanced & would have collapsed centuries ago. re-pubic-lick-uns need everybody else to produce everything re-pubic-lick-uns desire but can't produce themselves.

Of course, re-pubic-lick-uns steal from everyone else, so re-pubic-lick-uns can afford their desires. That's what business deegreees are all about...... how to let re-pubic-lick-uns steal for everybody else, without going to jail.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#23770 Feb 9, 2013
Correction:
"litesong wrote:
If Liberals ate do smart why all their ideas crash on flames?", should be:

"marred & tinny joke wrote:
If Liberals ate do smart why all their ideas crash on flames?"
PHD

Overton, TX

#23771 Feb 10, 2013
litesong wrote:
Correction:
"litesong wrote:
If Liberals ate do smart why all their ideas crash on flames?", should be:
"marred & tinny joke wrote:
If Liberals ate do smart why all their ideas crash on flames?"
In addition, you think topix does not know what you publish. Attacks on me will not delete or erase what you are and what you do. You should stop making an ASSumption of your---self before you know the facts. Do contact topix to satisfy your accusations of the reprint BS your posting of what I said. You are a dumbASSumption of your---self again.
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#23772 Feb 10, 2013
Mad, tiny ???

If it upsets you that the free expression of ideas is often heated and offensive, please do not use Topix.
someone

Minneapolis, MN

#23773 Feb 10, 2013
Collectivism vs individualism

I choose individualism.

You collectivists can go Fuck AIDS monkeys for sympathy and government assistance.
wait...most of you already have.

Take all you want from fellow collectivists. Tax each other all you want...for sneezing and shitting in your bathroom. For whatever you want to do.

But try to take from me what doesn't belong to you...
and you will be greeted with a 12 gauge to the face.

Some say there is only weak will and strong will. Free will does not exist.

You progressives are weak willed lemmings. Doing whatever party tells you to do.

True Americans are still left inthis country.

And they will rise in defiance of the collectivists movement to tell you to go Fuck yourselves.
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#23774 Feb 10, 2013
Nice "writing", wrong side of the bed ??? Now change monikers and make dumb noises, to feel important.
someone

Minneapolis, MN

#23775 Feb 10, 2013
Amused Slew wrote:
Nice "writing", wrong side of the bed ??? Now change monikers and make dumb noises, to feel important.
Keep up the good work.

You are epitome of today's "progressives".

Keep showing your "arguments" in the only intellectually inferior way you know how.

Please show us the extent of how "indoctrination" can be used on people like you with no individualism.

Keep it up.

Please reply in your usual fashion.

You do more to show who "progressives" are than any of can do.

Keep up da good work slew.
You make progressives and socialists proud. Lol.
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#23776 Feb 10, 2013
Want a tutorial on commas ???
someone

Minneapolis, MN

#23777 Feb 10, 2013
Amused Slew wrote:
Want a tutorial on commas ???
No thank you.

I'm still trying to understand your tutorial on stupidity.

You can imagine...its not very structured.

I can only guess your comma tutorial will be just as incoherent.
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#23778 Feb 10, 2013
"It's" a nice excuse for being stupid, you overuse it. With all your monikers.
someone

Minneapolis, MN

#23779 Feb 10, 2013
Amused Slew wrote:
Want a tutorial on commas ???
Can you give me a tutorial on how to live a life like you?

How you can tolerate being so pathetic?

Day after day...living such a worthless life like yours...

Can you explain that?

To be so dependent on government and motorized scooters...

Can you give a tutorial on living life with type 2 diabetes?

I bet we could feed Africa if we didn't have to keep you alive with benefits.

Can you give a tutorial on how you function as a 400lb mentally ill moron?

How many diet cokes you drink a day slew?

Let me know when you going to give up your diet coke habit.

Id hate to lose out on so much money by not shorting cocacola when you do.

At this point...

Slew...you literally are too big to fail.

Jobs are dependent on feeding your lard.

Your fat ass has the consumption rate of Malaysia I bet.

You are too big to fail. Literally.

Now go eat more, economy depends on you
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#23780 Feb 10, 2013
What was that, 20 poorly written, moronic claims ?? Believe what you'd like, you NEED it to feel superior... to strangers ??? LMAOROTFU~!

GO for 50 lines and smoke a whole pack, while you putter.
someone

Minneapolis, MN

#23781 Feb 10, 2013
Amused Slew wrote:
"It's" a nice excuse for being stupid, you overuse it. With all your monikers.
Its too bad overuse of your meds don't lead to fatal reactions.:)
But then again...

I think about all the jobs that will be on supporting your sad worthless existence.

You obviously don't believe in God or holy spirit.
so why are you even alive slew?

What do you possibly have to live for?
to maintaining your worthless life? This sad existence of being ridiculed on the Internet?

Go find a purpose in life slew.
Besides stuffing your face everyday...
Go find a purpose
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#23782 Feb 10, 2013
Ps- The evidence, none of you "men" would meet me, indicates otherwise, child.

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