What John McCain Told Me, and What it Says About How Far He's Fallen

[Hammer v Dagenhart]

who did it wrote:

<quoted text>But we are not talking about Kennedy , I am asking what Obama has done for Illinois!

I don't like any of the candidates this year. All I was saying is that Kenndey did not really do anything for MA or for the country when he was in the U.S. Senate. He did about as much as Obama.

My mistake for not being clearer.

[Lochner v New York]

RMRK wrote:

<quoted text>
The last person I discussed Washington's farewell address with tried to tell me he was supporting Liberalism...lol. Right after that, this person agreed that Jefferson was the father of Liberalism.
More people need to have more knowledge about the founding of this country if we're going to climb out of the morass we find ourselves in. Maybe more people would see this pissing contest Huffington is generating as nothing more than a distraction and an attempt to get noticed.

Agreed. Washington has to be nonpartisan. With the cabinet that he had Washington had to. He knew what was going on between Hamilton, Jefferson and Madison. Washington's hope that the next president would rise above politics like he tried to... And Adams failed at that, and Jefferson was truly a party player.

Washington was on to something. His farewell message is, unforturentrly, history to our politicians. If even 1% understood what his message was I might be willing to cut politicians some slack.

[Azjaeger]

Kate wrote:

<quoted text>
What, and if you're a Repuke-ian you should pork every prostitute this side of the Atlantic, or engage in gay bathroom encounters, or solicit underage male pages for your personal enjoyment?
On the health side of things, maybe you too should doctor-shop for your addiction to pain-killing meds and preach abstinence over the airwaves while carrying Viagra in your flight bag with another mans name on them so no one will know you're a thrice-divorced man looking to party-hearty in the Caribbean?
Or maybe you could snag a pulpit and preach to the right-wing masses that "you have sinned," right after you've been nailed with a prostitute? How about emulating a former Speaker of the House: get divorce number one, then make your mistress wife number two, then get a new mistress, then divorce wife number two and make latest mistress wife number three?
Get off your high-horse. You're not fooling anybody here...

And you, like most libs it seems, don't understand the proper use of sarcasm. That was a response to the standard lib idea that unless you go fight yourself, you can't support the use of military force. I'm not going to bother to make sarcastic comments about the personal failings of prominent Democrats. I don't have that much time.:)

[Garand]

Barbara wrote:

<quoted text>No but it was the Republican party at its best...look what it even did to McCain when he had the audacity to challenge Bush. So don't write about lies & hypocrisy...the Republicans- under the tutelage of Lee Atwater & Karl Rove- thrive on it and have that market cornered..

With Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry and the rest of these demomarxist anti American liars and treasonous bastards on your side you don't have any room to even think about saying anything about "lies & hypocrisy".

[Iraqnam]

Garand wrote:

<quoted text>With Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry and the rest of these demomarxist anti American liars and treasonous bastards on your side you don't have any room to even think about saying anything about "lies & hypocrisy".

Anti-American,The NeoCons like to throw that word around.I guess if you don't support billions in tax breaks for corporations and unjust wars you're Anti-American.I guess if you don't support the killing of our brave soldiers for a big lie,you're Anti-American. I guess if you don't support the killing of innocent woman and children, and the displacement of millions of a country's citizens,you're Anti-American. You have the right to an opinion.However,there is a magority in this country that have a right to express their beliefs about the direction of this country,and they are not ANTI-AMERICAN.Enough Said!

[SpEd Teacher]

RMRK wrote:

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This isn't referring to any poll, but the majority of military personnel are indeed NOT liberal democrats. Otherwise, Al Gore wouldn't have been trying so damn hard to invalidate the absenteen military vote during the 2000 Florida recount where he went to the Florida Supreme Court to try to change election law AFTER the vote. Being a liberal democrat... if the military vote was even 50.0001% liberal democrat, Al Gore would have been fighting to INCLUDE the military vote... don't you think?
Back to the point of this thread. Huffington
"fell" a long time ago. She was one of President Clinton's HARSHEST critics, the George Bush's, now John McCain. Next stop for her, to continue to be an absolute NUT JOB and attack whoever is the next president of the U.S. There must have been lead AND mercury in her cavier and canape's...lol...'cause she is the wackiest broad I ever saw on TV.

No- the original post referred to a "military poll" that "proved" most armed forces members were NOT Liberal. I would like to know the name and date of the poll....

[YOUBELIEVEANYTHI NG]

Iraqnam wrote:

<quoted text>What I'm saying is that if we stay in the current direction we will be a third world country.

Ah a little clarification, thank you.

[YOUBELIEVEANYTHI NG]

Barbara wrote:

<quoted text>No but it was the Republican party at its best...look what it even did to McCain when he had the audacity to challenge Bush. So don't write about lies & hypocrisy...the Republicans- under the tutelage of Lee Atwater & Karl Rove- thrive on it and have that market cornered..

"market cornered" I guess it depends on one's perspectrive.

[YOUBELIEVEANYTHI NG]

Iraqnam wrote:

<quoted text> Anti-American,The NeoCons like to throw that word around.I guess if you don't support billions in tax breaks for corporations and unjust wars you're Anti-American.I guess if you don't support the killing of our brave soldiers for a big lie,you're Anti-American. I guess if you don't support the killing of innocent woman and children, and the displacement of millions of a country's citizens,you're Anti-American. You have the right to an opinion.However,there is a magority in this country that have a right to express their beliefs about the direction of this country,and they are not ANTI-AMERICAN.Enough Said!

so all the Dems. were saying the same about saddam, proven to you by a short list of qoutes, you continue to say it was a lie. Now do you understand why myself and sometimes others call you guys disparaging names? Seriously, anything can be debated, but deliberatly denying the truth to make a stand on is.........immature. Sorry, but think about it.

[who did it]

YOUBELIEVEANYTHING wrote:

<quoted text>relax gramps i know you're retired. Hey so how is it a third world country has union retirees? Isn't that only possible in more advanced countries? Do you remember?

Relax Gramps? another one with the respect that doesn't exist in this country. It is a shame we will never have again, in this country, what our parents have and grandparents had.

[YOUBELIEVEANYTHI NG]

Barbara wrote:

<quoted text>And that's the way it's heading...or haven't you been keeping up with how pensions are being taken and how people like Kenny-boy Lay cheat their workers?

yup well aware....the BIG difference is I know that type of stuff was happening long before bush. You assign blame to bush. Like iraqnam i have to ask you if you uinderstand that your foolish tirades make you guys look stupid.
so we call you on them. Debate REALITY!!

[YOUBELIEVEANYTHI NG]

Barbara wrote:

<quoted text>Typical response. Diminish them because they don't support your views (even though it was out of context)...reminiscent of Bush when the Europeans weren't in favor of the war in the middle east....he insulted them as the old view and then he ended up practically begging them for support. So typical.

wow you sure are good, you know what my thoughts are and you never met me! I am impressed. I don't care about europe just as i don't care about Africa, or asia, or the middle east. They can worry about their own country's and I will worry about mine. Pretty simple to understand IF you aren't a LIB.

[Mykro]

Garand wrote:

<quoted text>If our military was really filled with people like YOU I would not serve.
But since I know that is not the case if I was drafted I would go.

Please bring back the draft, Garand wants to go.

[Mykro]

YOUBELIEVEANYTHING wrote:

<quoted text>wow you sure are good, you know what my thoughts are and you never met me! I am impressed. I don't care about europe just as i don't care about Africa, or asia, or the middle east. They can worry about their own country's and I will worry about mine. Pretty simple to understand IF you aren't a LIB.

Then why do you care about Iraq? And if you don't, why don't you advocate pulling out immediately?

[Garand]

SpEd Teacher wrote:

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No- the original post referred to a "military poll" that "proved" most armed forces members were NOT Liberal. I would like to know the name and date of the poll....

The poll was taken in 2006 and at that time they showed that less than 10% of the US military admitted to be liberals.

You would have to be a 100% complete idiot to assume the majority of the military were liberals.

There should not even be a debate on this subject.

[YOUBELIEVEANYTHI NG]

Mykro wrote:

<quoted text>Then why do you care about Iraq? And if you don't, why don't you advocate pulling out immediately?

she earlier said the europeans have a bad opinion of us. i said so what? thats the context of my post you responded to.

[Iraqnam]

YOUBELIEVEANYTHING wrote:

<quoted text>so all the Dems. were saying the same about Saddam, proven to you by a short list of qoutes, you continue to say it was a lie. Now do you understand why myself and sometimes others call you guys disparaging names? Seriously, anything can be debated, but deliberatly denying the truth to make a stand on is.........immature. Sorry, but think about it.

That's correct.Yes,most of the Democrats did vote for this war,and there was a lot of evidence presented at the United Nations.Unfortunately,that doesn't make it right.There's many dictators in the world with WMDs-China,one of our biggest trading partner is one.In my opinion the United States rushed in to this quagmire without enough manpower or postwar planning.We had Saddam contained with the embargo and the no-fly zones.I just feel we are mired in another VietNam type war,with no end in sight.This mess has also blown any chance of getting Bin Laden.That's why in November I'll be supporting a candidate that will commit to getting the hell out of Iraq.Hopefully,in a manner that leaves it stable.We could all have a better dialogue on these threads if we learn respect different views.This country will never recover from our current problems by trying to stomp each other out.Don't trust either party.Like the old saying goes, Divide and conquer.I'm seriousy looking at a third party candidate this year.

[Garand]

YOUBELIEVEANYTHING wrote:

<quoted text>she earlier said the europeans have a bad opinion of us. i said so what? thats the context of my post you responded to.

You are correct. Why should we give a damn what these European butt humpers think of us?

[SpEd Teacher]

Garand wrote:

<quoted text>The poll was taken in 2006 and at that time they showed that less than 10% of the US military admitted to be liberals.
You would have to be a 100% complete idiot to assume the majority of the military were liberals.
There should not even be a debate on this subject.

So what was the name of the poll? I doubt it exists because this is the 3rd time I have asked for clarification and no-one can give me the name of the poll.

I'm not ASSUMING anything- of course the military is not "100% Lib"- so- once again- what was the name of the poll?

[SpEd Teacher]

Garand wrote:

<quoted text>The poll was taken in 2006 and at that time they showed that less than 10% of the US military admitted to be liberals.
You would have to be a 100% complete idiot to assume the majority of the military were liberals.
There should not even be a debate on this subject.

And why shouldn't there be a debate about this dubious "shadow poll." It doesn't even exist- unless you can give me: a name for the poll, who did the polling, and where I can see the results of the poll.