It's the Guns, Stupid

Apr 20, 2007 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Truthdig

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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Teaman

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Jul 7, 2013
 
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Yes, the elusive American freedoms.
Maybee it was all a dream.
The Romans were dreamers too. Italy? Superpower?
The Romans rotted from within, just like us.:-)
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<quoted text>in the long run it is cheaper to abort then to provide for years for an individual that doesnt want to be productive and support their off-spring which Margaret Sanger had it Right too.
The Truth About MARGRET SANGER
Margaret Sanger spoke of sterilizing those she designated as "unfit," a plan she said would be the "salvation of American civilization.: And she also spike of those who were "irresponsible and reckless," among whom she included those " whose religious scruples prevent their exercising control over their numbers." She further contended that "there is no doubt in the minds of all thinking people that the procreation of this group should be stopped." That many Americans of African origin constituted a segment of Sanger considered "unfit" cannot be easily refuted.
http://www.blackgenocide.org/sanger.html
Margaret Sanger is alive and well when you consider nearly 40%(36% I believe)of aborted babies are black, who are about 13% of the population. The majority of family planning facilities are in minority neighborhoods.

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No, it's not a moral issue for me. I would be against any federal moral legislation equally to any federal gun regulation. I'm not against any contraception either. That would be the responsible thing to do, but I have a problem paying for that also. Live your own life, but pay your own bills.
Welfare once had a work requirement before Obama. I wouldn't be all that against welfare if it wasn't used as a political re-election tool.
problem I have with the work requirement for social welfare is that they want to create another backdoor to allow businesses to pay lower wages and turn it into a Fedral subisdy program for Businesses & Big Corporations which right now we pay & give more in corporate welfare benefits than we do in social welfare benefits which is why I am against both which are counterproductive in the direction the Federal Government has taken both the Corporate & Social Welfare Programs.

Government Spends More on Corporate Welfare Subsidies than Social Welfare Programs

http://thinkbynumbers.org/government-spending...

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Margaret Sanger is alive and well when you consider nearly 40%(36% I believe)of aborted babies are black, who are about 13% of the population. The majority of family planning facilities are in minority neighborhoods.
True, which doesnt say too much for the 13% of Black Americans either here in US Society as a group but still a majority are still dependent on the Welfare State and E.W. Jackson is right & correct that the Federal Government in the 1960's and the Democrats(Pseudo Liberals) Great Society created the culture that we see today here in the US among the majority of Blacks in the Major Metro Areas of the US.

E.W. Jackson in Newport News

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<quoted text>problem I have with the work requirement for social welfare is that they want to create another backdoor to allow businesses to pay lower wages and turn it into a Fedral subisdy program for Businesses & Big Corporations which right now we pay & give more in corporate welfare benefits than we do in social welfare benefits which is why I am against both which are counterproductive in the direction the Federal Government has taken both the Corporate & Social Welfare Programs.
Government Spends More on Corporate Welfare Subsidies than Social Welfare Programs
http://thinkbynumbers.org/government-spending...
That is a good point, but I don't think places like McDonalds would pay any more or less without it. Most of the time, they don't even know which employee is collecting welfare, to the best of my knowledge. The employee is receiving the subsidy and, at the same time, learning responsibility, work ethics. Who knows, maybe even advancement. I can see someone not advancing in a work place in fear of losing benefits.

If an employee was paying less because of welfare, I would agree.
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Oh stop it with your rightwing propaganda hysteria, a late term abortion is only performed if there is a medical emergency, late term abortions are a fraction of a percent of all abortion Ė it is wingnuz demagoguery not a medical issue!!
Really!? Why is Wendy Davis hailed as a champion for women's health due to her filibustering the state's (Texas) attempt to limit late term abortions?
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<quoted text>True, which doesnt say too much for the 13% of Black Americans either here in US Society as a group but still a majority are still dependent on the Welfare State and E.W. Jackson is right & correct that the Federal Government in the 1960's and the Democrats(Pseudo Liberals) Great Society created the culture that we see today here in the US among the majority of Blacks in the Major Metro Areas of the US.
E.W. Jackson in Newport News
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =D499CVEP7EsXX&feature=pla yer_embedded
I don't think the 13% have a clue to what is going on. A few do and voice their displeasure. The information wing of the democrat party, the media, won't report it. The government has a monopoly on the education and they won't inform them. They don't even teach civics anymore.

I agree, the Great Society did more harm than good, if any good was done at all.

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That is a good point, but I don't think places like McDonalds would pay any more or less without it. Most of the time, they don't even know which employee is collecting welfare, to the best of my knowledge. The employee is receiving the subsidy and, at the same time, learning responsibility, work ethics. Who knows, maybe even advancement. I can see someone not advancing in a work place in fear of losing benefits.
If an employee was paying less because of welfare, I would agree.
I know Wal-mart does on their application because my neighbor's college kid went to apply for a summer job and told that is one thing they want to know and ask about on the application questionnaire if you are on welfare receiving food stamps so that tells me that Walmart targets and wants individuals that are using the Welfare Foodstamp Program which proves that Walmart is using to their advantage too because then they can pay lower wages and then at the same time in essence Wal Mart is recieving Federal Welfare Assistance help too in a sense from the Federal Government and dont have to call it Corporate Welfare.

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I don't think the 13% have a clue to what is going on. A few do and voice their displeasure. The information wing of the democrat party, the media, won't report it. The government has a monopoly on the education and they won't inform them. They don't even teach civics anymore.
I agree, the Great Society did more harm than good, if any good was done at all.
Your right it does start with education which the Federal Government has a Monopoly on the Education system here and that is what they want too just like what J.D. Rockefeller Sr. wanted to do with his General Education Board in 1902 but he was going to do it a different way instead.

General Education Board

"The purpose of the foundation (the General Education Board) was to use the power of money, not to raise the level of education in America, as was widely believed at the time, but to influence the direction of that education... The object was to use the classroom to teach attitudes that encourage people to be passive and submissive to their rulers. The goal was-and is-to create citizens who were educated enough for productive work under supervision but not enough to question authority or seek to rise above their class. True education was to be restricted to the sons and daughters of the elite. For the rest, it would be better to productive skilled workers with no particular aspirations other than to enjoy life." -G. Edward Griffin in The Creature from Jekyll Island.

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<quoted text> Yet 33,000 locations in 123 different countries. looks like a lot of people disagree with you. And that's just one of our restaurants. Ha ha ha.
Yes it is very unfortunate that people are not smart enough to realize how their kids are being brainwashed into thinking that McD's crap is 'real food'!
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<quoted text>Your right it does start with education which the Federal Government has a Monopoly on the Education system here and that is what they want too just like what J.D. Rockefeller Sr. wanted to do with his General Education Board in 1902 but he was going to do it a different way instead.
General Education Board
"The purpose of the foundation (the General Education Board) was to use the power of money, not to raise the level of education in America, as was widely believed at the time, but to influence the direction of that education... The object was to use the classroom to teach attitudes that encourage people to be passive and submissive to their rulers. The goal was-and is-to create citizens who were educated enough for productive work under supervision but not enough to question authority or seek to rise above their class. True education was to be restricted to the sons and daughters of the elite. For the rest, it would be better to productive skilled workers with no particular aspirations other than to enjoy life." -G. Edward Griffin in The Creature from Jekyll Island.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Educatio...
That is simply someones wingnuz opinion ... without the public schoolsystem we never have become the greatest and most efficient economy in the world. Without the great society the middle class would have collapsed ... If only the rightwingers would help correcting and improving upon the great society instead of outright rejecting it and inserting roadblocks every chance they get we would be doing just fine! It is becoming increasingly clear that we are living through a period of transition. One chapter of our national life is closing, and another is about to begin. We can sense this in the tense volatility of our electoral politics, as dramatic "change elections" follow closely upon one another. We can feel it in the unseemly mood of decline that has infected our public life ó leaving our usually cheerful nation fretful about global competition and unsure if the next generation will be able to live as well as the present one. As the progressives are trying to move us forward and the conservatives are doing everything possible to move us back a half a century!
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<quoted text>I know Wal-mart does on their application because my neighbor's college kid went to apply for a summer job and told that is one thing they want to know and ask about on the application questionnaire if you are on welfare receiving food stamps so that tells me that Walmart targets and wants individuals that are using the Welfare Foodstamp Program which proves that Walmart is using to their advantage too because then they can pay lower wages and then at the same time in essence Wal Mart is recieving Federal Welfare Assistance help too in a sense from the Federal Government and dont have to call it Corporate Welfare.
Well, that's wrong then. It really isn't none of Walmart's business.

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Well, that's wrong then. It really isn't none of Walmart's business.
I believe the Federal Government is behind it and if only if one would know Walmart is probably getting tax credits for hiring people on welfare & foodstamps besides benefiting by being able to pay lower wages.

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That is simply someones wingnuz opinion ... without the public schoolsystem we never have become the greatest and most efficient economy in the world. Without the great society the middle class would have collapsed ... If only the rightwingers would help correcting and improving upon the great society instead of outright rejecting it and inserting roadblocks every chance they get we would be doing just fine! It is becoming increasingly clear that we are living through a period of transition. One chapter of our national life is closing, and another is about to begin. We can sense this in the tense volatility of our electoral politics, as dramatic "change elections" follow closely upon one another. We can feel it in the unseemly mood of decline that has infected our public life ó leaving our usually cheerful nation fretful about global competition and unsure if the next generation will be able to live as well as the present one. As the progressives are trying to move us forward and the conservatives are doing everything possible to move us back a half a century!
You dont see it but some of the rightwingers including some Democrats if that is what you want to call them have tried to help correct and improve the Great Society Failures by rejecting them that the Pseudo Liberals Democrats & Republicans have expanded like G.W. Bush who expanded the Great Society Program Medicare with Part D by 7 Trillions Dollars which was added to the Federal Deficit for the expansion of the Great Society Program Medicare which most of the Great Society programs added to the Federal Deficit and the purpose of the LBJ's Unified Budget besides the Public Education System is screwed up bad especially public education standards & requirements that are different from state to state, and its not simply someones wingnuz opinion especially about JD Rockefeller Sr and his ambitions just look into it, I did and an eye opener.
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<quoted text>You dont see it but some of the rightwingers including some Democrats if that is what you want to call them have tried to help correct and improve the Great Society Failures by rejecting them that the Pseudo Liberals Democrats & Republicans have expanded like G.W. Bush who expanded the Great Society Program Medicare with Part D by 7 Trillions Dollars which was added to the Federal Deficit for the expansion of the Great Society Program Medicare which most of the Great Society programs added to the Federal Deficit and the purpose of the LBJ's Unified Budget besides the Public Education System is screwed up bad especially public education standards & requirements that are different from state to state, and its not simply someones wingnuz opinion especially about JD Rockefeller Sr and his ambitions just look into it, I did and an eye opener.
I seriously doubt that you have studied the subject, what you have done is read rightwing propaganda that suits your believes. The Great Society programs were designed to fight poverty, mostly in the southern states. It consisted of a series of legislation which included the Job Corps, to provide vocational training for disadvantaged youth; Volunteers in Service of America (VISTA)- a domestic Peace Corps; Head Start, to instruct disadvantaged preschoolers, among other programs. The other part of the Great Society program was the passage of civil rights legislation (proposed by the Kennedy Administration). The legislation included voting rights legislation that increased minority voting. In addition, the Civil Rights Law outlawed discrimination in all aspects of American society.
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<quoted text>You dont see it but some of the rightwingers including some Democrats if that is what you want to call them have tried to help correct and improve the Great Society Failures by rejecting them that the Pseudo Liberals Democrats & Republicans have expanded like G.W. Bush who expanded the Great Society Program Medicare with Part D by 7 Trillions Dollars which was added to the Federal Deficit for the expansion of the Great Society Program Medicare which most of the Great Society programs added to the Federal Deficit and the purpose of the LBJ's Unified Budget besides the Public Education System is screwed up bad especially public education standards & requirements that are different from state to state, and its not simply someones wingnuz opinion especially about JD Rockefeller Sr and his ambitions just look into it, I did and an eye opener.
FEARMONGERING NEVER CHANGES among the conservative ilk, GOPers "bitterly opposed" efforts to provide elderly Americans with access to health care. Ronald Reagan argued in 1961 that if Medicare wasn't stopped, "one of these days you and I are going to spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it once was like in America when men were free." George H. W. Bush called the plan "socialized medicine," and Barry Goldwater asked, "having given our pensioners their medical care in kind...why not a ration of cigarettes for those who smoke and of beer for those who drink?" Today's rhetoric from opponents of health care reform -- particularly the public option -- is eerily similar to the fearmongering of Medicare. While Republican scare-tactics today contain a regular diet of "socialism" charges that are as annoying as a broken record. It is one thing to oppose and idea but itís another when the opposition has no alternative plan or ideas.
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Wow what a coincidence that two people from the same city posted on the same thread within 10 minutes of each other.

Would not be the same person would it ?
Would spocko be as lame and stupid as to do that ?

My guess would be yes.

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I seriously doubt that you have studied the subject, what you have done is read rightwing propaganda that suits your believes. The Great Society programs were designed to fight poverty, mostly in the southern states. It consisted of a series of legislation which included the Job Corps, to provide vocational training for disadvantaged youth; Volunteers in Service of America (VISTA)- a domestic Peace Corps; Head Start, to instruct disadvantaged preschoolers, among other programs. The other part of the Great Society program was the passage of civil rights legislation (proposed by the Kennedy Administration). The legislation included voting rights legislation that increased minority voting. In addition, the Civil Rights Law outlawed discrimination in all aspects of American society.
sure have besides how do you think I know about it and I know where J.D. Rockefeller Sr. started a school around here years ago and how they had to use Rockefeller's School text books only.
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<quoted text>I believe the Federal Government is behind it and if only if one would know Walmart is probably getting tax credits for hiring people on welfare & foodstamps besides benefiting by being able to pay lower wages.
Government corporatism at its best.

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FEARMONGERING NEVER CHANGES among the conservative ilk, GOPers "bitterly opposed" efforts to provide elderly Americans with access to health care. Ronald Reagan argued in 1961 that if Medicare wasn't stopped, "one of these days you and I are going to spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it once was like in America when men were free." George H. W. Bush called the plan "socialized medicine," and Barry Goldwater asked, "having given our pensioners their medical care in kind...why not a ration of cigarettes for those who smoke and of beer for those who drink?" Today's rhetoric from opponents of health care reform -- particularly the public option -- is eerily similar to the fearmongering of Medicare. While Republican scare-tactics today contain a regular diet of "socialism" charges that are as annoying as a broken record. It is one thing to oppose and idea but itís another when the opposition has no alternative plan or ideas.
there is no denying that both factions are for Socialism they just have different views on what & how Socialism should look and function and FEARMONGERING NEVER CHANGES among the Pseudo Liberal Democart ilks too that is for sure by creating the need for Big Government which they have created with their Fear Mongering that people cant take care of themselves.

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