It's the Guns, Stupid

It's the Guns, Stupid

There are 103340 comments on the Truthdig story from Apr 20, 2007, titled It's the Guns, Stupid. In it, Truthdig reports that:

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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GoGoBar

Sriracha, Thailand

#109395 Jun 22, 2013
14,697 Murders

221 Jusrifiable homicides with firearm.

HAHAHAHA

In 63 recent mass shootings never was one perpetrator stopped by an armed civillian.

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#109396 Jun 22, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
14,697 Murders
221 Jusrifiable homicides with firearm.
HAHAHAHA
In 63 recent mass shootings never was one perpetrator stopped by an armed civillian.
and its is the ethic group too that has most of the murders here in the US.
GoGoBar

Sriracha, Thailand

#109399 Jun 22, 2013
ilovemyguns wrote:
We need measures like the guardian program across America’s schools. If we armed 10-15% of our teachers and staff at each school, one could argue that any would be shooter would be dead before they got 20 feet. Yes some people may still die, but it wouldn't be in the double digits. After 9/11, we beefed up security screening and put air marshals on airplanes and 10 years later, we have had no terrorist attacks on America. We need to same attitude towards our schools. We can disarm and pass all the gun controls we want, but evil knows no bounds, and respects no law. If an assailant wanted to make a bomb to place in the school cafe, he could, if he wanted to use a crossbow, he could. Guns are not the only means of carrying out violence, but guns are one of the best ways to respond to violence. America needs guns, more of them.
The gunnuts will just change tactics.
Fire bushmasters at the playground from the roadside or a vehicle.

Robbers wont ask for money first. They will just pop the victim in the back of the head before taking the money and the gun.
GoGoBar

Sriracha, Thailand

#109400 Jun 22, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>and its is the ethic group too that has most of the murders here in the US.
Those ethnic groups will be the majority of the population in 2044.
Mr NaughtyBits

Hatfield, UK

#109401 Jun 22, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
<quoted text>
Those ethnic groups will be the majority of the population in 2044.
Not if they keep murdering each other at the rates they have been!

Now, WHO is the CONTROL FREAK?
GoGoBar

Sriracha, Thailand

#109402 Jun 22, 2013
Mr NaughtyBits wrote:
<quoted text>
Not if they keep murdering each other at the rates they have been!
Now, WHO is the CONTROL FREAK?
NUP! It is foregone conclusion. They will have even more political power than they have now. Damn, if they all have guns they may even have a revolution.
Probably not a right wing one.
sid

Brisbane, Australia

#109403 Jun 22, 2013
ilovemyguns wrote:
To prevent this unnecessary bloodshed, America needs a call to arms, not a gun ban. If we are allowed to bring guns into church, to the mall, to banks, to movie theaters, into restaurants across the nation, criminals would think twice before attempting to rob someone. More guns in a location won’t increase crime. That hypothesis is flawed. Banning guns from certain locations does nothing to deter gun crime. If you jam pack an area full of law abiding citizens, carrying firearms, guess what? The law abiding citizens don’t murder people. On the contrary, criminals don’t care about gun laws, and gun free zones, if they did; there would be no bank robberies or school shootings because they wouldn’t be bringing the gun inside in the first place. In reality, they do. Criminals break the law and bring guns to places they shouldn’t. Imagine that. That’s why we need fewer restrictions on where firearms are allowed. All gun free zones do is let would be criminals know where they will find an unarmed target. A federal judge recently overturned an Illinois ban on conceal and carry noting that a typical citizen of Illinois faces a greater chances of being threatened on the street, then in their high rise apt. Law abiding citizens make up over 95% of gun ownership. If we were allowed to bring guns with us anywhere, citizens can react faster than the police can get there. It takes the police on average 2-3mins to get to a particular location. It doesn’t take a killer that long to unload a clip or two. Citizens who are armed and ready can take down the would be assailant in seconds, not minutes after he or she starts the crime.
This might be too simplistic for you but have you ever wondered why so many crimes and criminals in your society, sounds like a total systemic break down bordering on anarchy. The law of the gun is not the law of civilised human being.
Mr NaughtyBits

Hatfield, UK

#109405 Jun 22, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
<quoted text>
NUP! It is foregone conclusion. They will have even more political power than they have now. Damn, if they all have guns they may even have a revolution.
Probably not a right wing one.
Not if they keep murdering each other at the rates they have been!

Now, WHO is the CONTROL FREAK?
Mr NaughtyBits

Hatfield, UK

#109406 Jun 22, 2013
sid wrote:
<quoted text>
This might be too simplistic for you but have you ever wondered why so many crimes and criminals in your society, sounds like a total systemic break down bordering on anarchy. The law of the gun is not the law of civilised human being.
The 'law of the gun' is one of justice. Harsh? Yes, but justice nonetheless.

What would you have, limp-wristed, pantywaist, milquetoast justice, where the violent criminals are released in short order because of 'concerns' over their past life?

Will you suck their toes?
GoGoBar

Sriracha, Thailand

#109407 Jun 22, 2013
Name wrote:
<quoted text>
What is your interest in U.S. politics ? You have no say in it.
You are the worst of the bottom feeding scum in the world, a pedophile, a siko pervert that even moved location to further his perverted interest.
You must be a real loser, nobody wanted you in Australia and you spend all your time on topix from Thailand, nobody wants you there either.
Poor old kids have to be the ones that suffer from people like you.
How many times did you get caught fiddling with kids in Australia ?
Did they run you out of town ? I'll bet they did.
LOL> you have to grant incorrect premises anonymously.

Do some more. It is fascinating to watch you cry and name call.
GoGoBar

Sriracha, Thailand

#109410 Jun 22, 2013
Name wrote:
<quoted text>
No its very accurate.
Its ALWAYS pathetic old men that move to Thailand for the little kids, no other reason.
You have nothing to add to any discussion except cutting and pasting lies that you find on leftist websites while you are searching for children to molest.
You are always looking for someone to befriend on this thread, its so pathetic but funny because even Ahomona does not have anything to do with you lol.
It must hurt to be rejected by her lol, you can't get much lower than that !
Lonely old child molester in Thailand... what a jerk.
HAHA. That was the funniest yet. How do you think of such things, is your mind naturally that way or have you been tormented.
Do some more. LOL. Rejection. HAHAHA

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#109411 Jun 22, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
<quoted text>
Those ethnic groups will be the majority of the population in 2044.
not current rate the blacks here are killing one and another besides if there is no left that works the majority are done because they choose to depend on someone else.

Since: Aug 11

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#109412 Jun 22, 2013
Mr NaughtyBits wrote:
<quoted text>
Not if they keep murdering each other at the rates they have been!
Now, WHO is the CONTROL FREAK?
exactly and the blacks are proving that in Chicago.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#109413 Jun 22, 2013
ilovemyguns wrote:
<quoted text>Australia was invaded by british illegal immigrants who took over a tribal land and now&#65279; shamelessly talk about equality and liberty Fffing Douche bags The problem isn't guns, it's liberal fat asses like you
NO, Australia was "colonised" by the British without them the Aborigini's would still be sitting in their humpies wondering why the Indonesians or Dutch conquered them instead, and they wouldn't have been as forgiving.Since the British first colonised this country there have been many immigrants from many lands that have set up home here, even your own brethren, so keep mum, dummy and while doing that try to discover a land that wasn't conquered by someone if you can...LOL.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#109414 Jun 22, 2013
Mr NaughtyBits wrote:
<quoted text>
The 'law of the gun' is one of justice. Harsh? Yes, but justice nonetheless.
What would you have, limp-wristed, pantywaist, milquetoast justice, where the violent criminals are released in short order because of 'concerns' over their past life?
Will you suck their toes?
No! if the justice system applied the correct punishment(which it does not) you would have no idiot vigilante's running around with guns acting like they are all that, not even you.
thirdworldaustra lia

Anonymous Proxy

#109415 Jun 22, 2013
sid wrote:
<quoted text>
This might be too simplistic for you but have you ever wondered why so many crimes and criminals in your society, sounds like a total systemic break down bordering on anarchy. The law of the gun is not the law of civilised human being.
you are idiot
Evil does not need a gun to manifest itself, it only needs a vehicle to be delivered in, and these vehicles come in all shapes and sizes. Timothy McVeigh needed only fertilizer to kill 168 people in Oklahoma City. The 9/11 terrorists used knives, not guns, to take over the planes used to kill 3,000 innocent people. Guns don’t kill people, people kill people.People are yearning for action, for a way to prevent this from happening again. More gun control laws sound good on paper, and are an easy way out of a complex problem. If the logic used to enact more gun control legislation made sense we would ban alcohol. Alcohol leads to drunk driving, which kills over 11,000 annually. We would take Advil and other non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs off the shelf because they kill 16,000 people each year by themselves, most of which were accidental. Counties with tough gun laws have other problems. People die in stabbings or they are beat to death by hammers and baseball bats. Are we going to ban baseball bats and golf clubs because “they can kill people?” Is owning a screwdriver going to be a thing of the past because it can be used to stab people?. All gun laws do is create places where people are disarmed and vulnerable, and easy prey for a killer.
GoGoBar

Sriracha, Thailand

#109416 Jun 22, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>not current rate the blacks here are killing one and another besides if there is no left that works the majority are done because they choose to depend on someone else.
Is that why you have a black president?
HAHAHA.
There certainly is an epidemic of shootings, but the Dr's are saving more gunshot victims than anytime in history.
Do you think the ethnics will vote right wing?

In 2012, Mitt Romney captured just 17% of the non-white vote overall, according to the national exit poll, including 6% of the black vote, 27% of the Hispanic vote and 26% of the Asian-American vote. Unless future Republican presidential candidates do better with these groups, the electoral math will keep getting more difficult for the GOP.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/05/...

Political Power and guns. Damn ethnics.

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#109417 Jun 22, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
<quoted text>
NUP! It is foregone conclusion. They will have even more political power than they have now. Damn, if they all have guns they may even have a revolution.
Probably not a right wing one.
I doubt that which involves work something they are afraid of which most try to avoid besides dont like that part of Communism where the work is to be shared equally too besides Lt Governor of Virgina is Right about the Blacks & their dependency on the Welfare State, so how can they gain more political power when none of them want to work besides it takes wealth to gain political power and to gain wealth you have to work for it to create it.

Jackson says welfare, not slavery destroys black families

http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/state-regio...

Black GOP Candidate: Social Welfare Programs Harm Blacks More Than Slavery (Video)

by David Badash on June 20, 2013

in Discrimination,News,Politics,R eligion

http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/1-black-...
GoGoBar

Sriracha, Thailand

#109418 Jun 22, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>I doubt that which involves work something they are afraid of which most try to avoid besides dont like that part of Communism where the work is to be shared equally too besides Lt Governor of Virgina is Right about the Blacks & their dependency on the Welfare State, so how can they gain more political power when none of them want to work besides it takes wealth to gain political power and to gain wealth you have to work for it to create it.
Jackson says welfare, not slavery destroys black families
http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/state-regio...
Black GOP Candidate: Social Welfare Programs Harm Blacks More Than Slavery (Video)
by David Badash on June 20, 2013
in Discrimination,News,Politics,R eligion
http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/1-black-...
Yeah, but they will have the ability to vote for what "the new people" want..

http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2012/11/...

This data suggests are real and palpable difference between how (some) Whites and (most) non-Whites see the world, a difference that will become increasingly influential.

Earlier this month the Pew Research Center released an updated prediction for the racial/ethnic composition of the U.S. in 2050. They expect that, by 2050, Whites will be a minority, adding up to only 47% of the population. By that time, they expect Hispanics to account for 29% of the population, and Blacks and Asians to account for 13% and 9% respectively

Since: Aug 11

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#109419 Jun 22, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, but they will have the ability to vote for what "the new people" want..
http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2012/11/...
This data suggests are real and palpable difference between how (some) Whites and (most) non-Whites see the world, a difference that will become increasingly influential.
Earlier this month the Pew Research Center released an updated prediction for the racial/ethnic composition of the U.S. in 2050. They expect that, by 2050, Whites will be a minority, adding up to only 47% of the population. By that time, they expect Hispanics to account for 29% of the population, and Blacks and Asians to account for 13% and 9% respectively
you dont understand there is no workers in their Ghetto Utopian Welfare Society as it stands now and it is totally dependent on current form of government here in the US controlled by these Pseudo Liberals here which that Welfare bunch that the Pseudo Liberals advocate for they will both parrish & starve to death together which is the problem with these Pseudo Liberals here in the US neither one knows how wealth is created except to borrow and confiscate other peoples money & wealth through the tax system and redistributing it to the Welfare Society to set at home and do nothing and the Welfare Society in Detroit cant understand why the lights are not on at night in Detroit and do you want to know why its because nobody wants to work and pay to keep the lights on.

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