It's the Guns, Stupid

It's the Guns, Stupid

There are 103296 comments on the Truthdig story from Apr 20, 2007, titled It's the Guns, Stupid. In it, Truthdig reports that:

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

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#106918 May 7, 2013
bantobacco wrote:
<quoted text>America is founded upon gun's.
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Incorrect.
America is founded upon self evident truths and inalienable rights.
Inalienable rights are those which we are born with intact as part and parcel of our very beings. Just like any critter out there, we have a natural born right to self defense, and by extension, the inalienable right to keep and bear arms. Does anyone tell the orangutan he is not allowed to pick up a weapon when defending himself? Nope. Same thing.
Guns have been a part of that equation since the very beginning to be sure, and will remain so.

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

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#106919 May 7, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
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Like you give a shit, you dumb troll you don't even care about the 26 kids killed in Sandy Hook enough to get rid of your guns....You care about the Africans?...since feckin' when?
Why would anyone who has guns that have NEVER committed a crime, especially the crimes in Sandy Hook, give them up?
You are devoid of logic and reason Aussie.

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

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#106920 May 7, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
The UN investigating agencies have just released their findings into the use of Sarin Gas in Syria.12 hours ago.
It states that the evidence leads to it having been used by the opposition. Ie the sunnis. The conclusion would be that that they wish the US to arm them and supply a no free zone.
The Jews are trying to dictate to Obama.
What should he do?
Resign?

Since: Dec 10

Glandore, Australia

#106921 May 7, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>Australia is no little Island, Its a continent with a very large amount of natural resources that China needs and there again you are depending on the US and it armed civilians to protect the defenseless citizens of Australia that cant fight back and if China wants Australia they have the man power & capability and you people in Australia would be speaking Chinese and Japan was the same way prior who was in need of Resource and wanted Australia and everything else in the Pacific.
We depend on all our allies...mostly Britain and New Zealand, that is why they are called allies...Now in order to say that we can't fight back you don't know our history or our diggers...we have a strong track record of winning when being massively outnumbered and we don't massacre innoncent civilians or rape them like the yanks have done.....but the main point is that we are small and there are more resources around the islands in the South China Sea, if resources are what China is after? That is where they would look to.....Now give this some serious thought, if you have a want to become the next super power on the block...would you knock down the smallest kid in the yard, or would head for the biggest and ugliest and meanest.....that is you (America) my clueless friend,(sarcasm, Aussies have to make these things crystal, cause you are not the sharpest tools in the shed)else who on the block would take you seriously. SERIOUSLY!

Since: Dec 10

Glandore, Australia

#106922 May 7, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Please, we have no desire to hear about your masturbation techniques.
Why not?....if you spent more time loving yourselves instead of hating so much you need to shoot each other you, would be a much more decent country.....
no different at all

Portage, MI

#106923 May 7, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
We depend on all our allies...mostly Britain and New Zealand, that is why they are called allies...Now in order to say that we can't fight back you don't know our history or our diggers...we have a strong track record of winning when being massively outnumbered and we don't massacre innoncent civilians or rape them like the yanks have done.....but the main point is that we are small and there are more resources around the islands in the South China Sea, if resources are what China is after? That is where they would look to.....Now give this some serious thought, if you have a want to become the next super power on the block...would you knock down the smallest kid in the yard, or would head for the biggest and ugliest and meanest.....that is you (America) my clueless friend,(sarcasm, Aussies have to make these things crystal, cause you are not the sharpest tools in the shed)else who on the block would take you seriously. SERIOUSLY!
, "the killing of unarmed Japanese was common" and Australian command tried to put pressure on troops to actually take prisoners, but the troops proved reluctant.[65] When prisoners were indeed taken "it often proved difficult to prevent them from killing captured Japanese before they could be interrogated".[66] According to Johnston, as a consequence of this type of behavior; "Some Japanese soldiers were almost certainly deterred from surrendering to Australians".[66]

Major General Paul Cullen indicated that the killing of Japanese prisoners in the Kokoda Track Campaign was not uncommon. In one instance he recalled during the battle at Gorari that "the leading platoon captured five or seven Japanese and moved on to the next battle. The next platoon came along and bayoneted these Japanese." [67] He also stated that he found the killings understandable but that it had left him feeling guilty.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_war_cri...

Since: Dec 10

Glandore, Australia

#106924 May 7, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, more deflection. When was the last time an automatic firearm was used in a crime???
Far be it for you yanks to extrapolate but there are clear difference between Yank speak and Aussie speak...we regard anything that isn't manually fired as an automatic, be it semi or fully etc.
Like your politics, you call Democrats socialists (people with a conscience) We call our Labor party (democrats)or the socialist party....now I have figured this out because I am an Australian and we are born with the smarts to extrapolate, rationalise and listen...it is so unfortunate for you that a yank who is not born with the smarts can't even be educated as they are not given enough intelligence to open a can of spam.

Since: Dec 10

Glandore, Australia

#106925 May 7, 2013
no different at all wrote:
<quoted text>
, "the killing of unarmed Japanese was common" and Australian command tried to put pressure on troops to actually take prisoners, but the troops proved reluctant.[65] When prisoners were indeed taken "it often proved difficult to prevent them from killing captured Japanese before they could be interrogated".[66] According to Johnston, as a consequence of this type of behavior; "Some Japanese soldiers were almost certainly deterred from surrendering to Australians".[66]
Major General Paul Cullen indicated that the killing of Japanese prisoners in the Kokoda Track Campaign was not uncommon. In one instance he recalled during the battle at Gorari that "the leading platoon captured five or seven Japanese and moved on to the next battle. The next platoon came along and bayoneted these Japanese." [67] He also stated that he found the killings understandable but that it had left him feeling guilty.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_war_cri...
Thank you for that information as I am aware of death of soldiers on both sides in war rather than the burden of them or simply for revenge and hate....but my post concentrated on innocents which every side declares should never be victims of troops even though it is war if it can be prevented or avoided... American soldiers have the worst track record of any allies in the wars fought of atrocities towards innocents ...... My lai is a perfect example of them disobeying the rules of civility held by every soldier in wartime.
no different at all

Portage, MI

#106926 May 7, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Far be it for you yanks to extrapolate but there are clear difference between Yank speak and Aussie speak...we regard anything that isn't manually fired as an automatic, be it semi or fully etc.
Like your politics, you call Democrats socialists (people with a conscience) We call our Labor party (democrats)or the socialist party....now I have figured this out because I am an Australian and we are born with the smarts to extrapolate, rationalise and listen...it is so unfortunate for you that a yank who is not born with the smarts can't even be educated as they are not given enough intelligence to open a can of spam.
Nope, you're just plain wrong. No difference at all, a semi-auto rifle is a semi-auto, an automatic rifle is an automatic.

You were probably confused, because handguns are different. Not a difference in Yank speak or Aussie speak, but a difference in rifles and handguns. You see semi-auto handguns are in fact called automatics. Semi-auto rifles NEVER called auto by anyone except clueless idiots and morons who eat propaganda for breakfast and don't know the difference.

Since: Dec 10

Glandore, Australia

#106927 May 7, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>you realize California alone has more people than Australia, right besides better armed too compared to Australia.
OMG....you are trying to liken a country of 310 million people with a country with 22 million....you truly are an idiot.....and FYI, one of our diggers is equal to or better than ten of your soldiers, so 1000 per capita...we have less soldiers with more fighting prowess any day of the week, and they are humane.

Since: Dec 10

Glandore, Australia

#106928 May 7, 2013
Aquarius-WY wrote:
<quoted text>
Simple.
"The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
No dummy you didn't answer the questions...it wasn't what law gives you the right to own guns....the question was WHAT will Alaska loose under gun control? no wriggling you snake in the grass...

Since: Dec 10

Glandore, Australia

#106929 May 7, 2013
Aquarius-WY wrote:
<quoted text>
Why would anyone who has guns that have NEVER committed a crime, especially the crimes in Sandy Hook, give them up?
You are devoid of logic and reason Aussie.
You dumb arse repetitive yankee drooling machine....you are not being asked to give up your guns....just the ones that serve no purpose save to make taking lives en mass as easy as falling off a log.....FFS!
no different at all

Portage, MI

#106930 May 7, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you for that information as I am aware of death of soldiers on both sides in war rather than the burden of them or simply for revenge and hate....but my post concentrated on innocents which every side declares should never be victims of troops even though it is war if it can be prevented or avoided... American soldiers have the worst track record of any allies in the wars fought of atrocities towards innocents ...... My lai is a perfect example of them disobeying the rules of civility held by every soldier in wartime.
I can post up recent cases of murder and rape involving Australian Defence Forces, some against their fellow female soldiers, some against civilians. I was about to do just that, but in actuality there's no real point. There are Aussies here that I do respect, and I also respect the troops of both nations, so i'd rather not throw mud at them just to piss in your cheerios.

Shit happens, sometimes very very bad shit happens, but to paint every soldier with the same brush is ignorance and bigotry. In actuality, the military is just a tiny version of society. Just as you have both intelligent and ignorant people in society, the military will also have those same people. Just as a society has rapists and killers, so will that society's military.

Now does Australia have rapists and killers? Yes, and so will it's military. So will every profession in that society, including the police who are supposed to protect us. To act like your society or your military would be immune from these people is simply insane.

Since: Dec 10

Glandore, Australia

#106931 May 7, 2013
no different at all wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope, you're just plain wrong. No difference at all, a semi-auto rifle is a semi-auto, an automatic rifle is an automatic.
You were probably confused, because handguns are different. Not a difference in Yank speak or Aussie speak, but a difference in rifles and handguns. You see semi-auto handguns are in fact called automatics. Semi-auto rifles NEVER called auto by anyone except clueless idiots and morons who eat propaganda for breakfast and don't know the difference.
OMG...Are we having a day for all Yankee stupids to come out of the closset...read my feckin' post again you noong and try just try and get it....sheesh you useless, dummy, retard, moron, idiot, dolt and clueless twit, did I miss any out....you would never know because you don't know HOW to read a feckin' post....dumb arse....Do I have your attention now Billy Bob...now go back and read...

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#106932 May 7, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
OMG....you are trying to liken a country of 310 million people with a country with 22 million....you truly are an idiot.....and FYI, one of our diggers is equal to or better than ten of your soldiers, so 1000 per capita...we have less soldiers with more fighting prowess any day of the week, and they are humane.
OMG you are truly an Idiot because you don't get the point.
no different at all

Portage, MI

#106933 May 7, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
OMG....you are trying to liken a country of 310 million people with a country with 22 million....you truly are an idiot.....and FYI, one of our diggers is equal to or better than ten of your soldiers, so 1000 per capita...we have less soldiers with more fighting prowess any day of the week, and they are humane.
I was a Marine, our reputation is known throughout the entire world. Tell me, Ahomana, were you ever in the service? You speak so highly of your diggers, what have you done for your nation personally? Kennedy gave the famous speech "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country"

Somehow you strike me as the "what can my country do for me" type of person.

Since: Dec 10

Glandore, Australia

#106934 May 7, 2013
no different at all wrote:
<quoted text>
I can post up recent cases of murder and rape involving Australian Defence Forces, some against their fellow female soldiers, some against civilians. I was about to do just that, but in actuality there's no real point. There are Aussies here that I do respect, and I also respect the troops of both nations, so i'd rather not throw mud at them just to piss in your cheerios.
Shit happens, sometimes very very bad shit happens, but to paint every soldier with the same brush is ignorance and bigotry. In actuality, the military is just a tiny version of society. Just as you have both intelligent and ignorant people in society, the military will also have those same people. Just as a society has rapists and killers, so will that society's military.
Now does Australia have rapists and killers? Yes, and so will it's military. So will every profession in that society, including the police who are supposed to protect us. To act like your society or your military would be immune from these people is simply insane.
Again I never stated that other allies were not involved in such things and I am aware of the cases that have been sighted...I said Americans have the worst track record of any of the allies in regards to attrocities against innocents in war time...I can also sight their peace time track record in attacks, murders and rapes committed by them in peace time especially those in Japan....Now would you care to dispute what was written rather than continually misconstrue the information to suit yourself?

Since: Dec 10

Glandore, Australia

#106935 May 7, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>OMG you are truly an Idiot because you don't get the point.
I would if you had a valid point.
guest

Portage, MI

#106936 May 7, 2013
Ahomana, are you just stupid or is English not your first language. You seem to be wrong and/or confused most of the time. Perhaps you're just fresh off the boat and the posters here are simply going too fast for you to follow?

Since: Dec 10

Glandore, Australia

#106937 May 7, 2013
no different at all wrote:
<quoted text>
I was a Marine, our reputation is known throughout the entire world. Tell me, Ahomana, were you ever in the service? You speak so highly of your diggers, what have you done for your nation personally? Kennedy gave the famous speech "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country"
Somehow you strike me as the "what can my country do for me" type of person.
So you were a marine so what you sighned on for the job and you got paid....I never see Australians get on here and say oh I am a soldier and did this for my country so what have you done...because they know if it wasn't for those at home who kept the fires burning kept them informed made bullets machinery etc...then the might not have made it home...so stick your big mouthed yankee doodle flag waving bullshit up your arse...we respect OUR boys and girls because they NEVER big note themselves like the yanks have to do everytime they can....you get your day to march you get your accolades and some get medals what do we at home get?...a grave site and a letter...we have lost people too....fathers, mothers, husbands, sons and daughters it wasn't ONLY YOU AND ONLY YOU YANKEE BASTARDS....you gung ho lunatic.

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