It's the Guns, Stupid

It's the Guns, Stupid

There are 103311 comments on the Truthdig story from Apr 20, 2007, titled It's the Guns, Stupid. In it, Truthdig reports that:

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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Larry

Australia

#106759 May 6, 2013
Should make it illegal to import or sell or own an automatic weapon in the US, its common sense, nobody needs an automatic weapon, if you are doing the right thing it wont affect you at all. Same with background checks. Why oppose something that will stop criminals getting guns, and the most deadly types of guns when it wont affect you personally?
FYI

Denver, CO

#106760 May 6, 2013
"CLICK" Regards
Teaman

Abingdon, VA

#106761 May 6, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
<quoted text>
Tax is the keyword.
Now with falling revenues and an overseas miltary superpower presence to maintain, for non American intersts, were the Tea Party to try to solve the problem by placing a Tax on coffee, what would be the outcome?
;)
Perhaps you need a broadbased tax on goods and services.
And while your at it, why not take the Capitalist approach and merge all the States into 8 Regions, thus doing away with 40 seperate Govts, legislatures, Departments etc... which all do exactly the same thing.
Sell off the assets that are unneccary and lower taxes.
Oh, if it is logical it is unconstitutional. How many States were there when the constitution was Written? That would be a good start.
I do not advocate a tax, Go Go. I'm simply saying the government isn't really serious or sincere about gun control if that's what they want to do. Which is OK with me. It's more about expanding federal power. Regulating the use of guns is a state function. The problem the tea party wants to fix is the federal government.

Actually, selling of federal properties and land is a tea party desire.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/...

There are also 300 billion dollars wasted with duplicate programs.
Teaman

Abingdon, VA

#106762 May 6, 2013
Larry wrote:
Thats why they need stricter gun control there, it needs to be nation wide.
The federal government refuses to secure the border.
As the

Huntsville, AL

#106763 May 6, 2013
Teaman wrote:
<quoted text>

Actually, selling of federal properties and land is a tea party desire.

There are also 300 billion dollars wasted with duplicate programs.
dumsht spokesmen for those that want to further the plutocracy and complete the corporate takeover.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#106764 May 6, 2013
Larry wrote:
Should make it illegal to import or sell or own an automatic weapon in the US, its common sense, nobody needs an automatic weapon, if you are doing the right thing it wont affect you at all. Same with background checks. Why oppose something that will stop criminals getting guns, and the most deadly types of guns when it wont affect you personally?
When was the last time an automatic weapon was used in a crime in the US????
Trent

Australia

#106765 May 6, 2013
FYI wrote:
"CLICK" Regards
So you own an automatic weapon, or are you a criminal?
As least

Huntsville, AL

#106766 May 6, 2013
Teaman wrote:
<quoted text>
I hope so. I hope the truth about Benghazi does it.
you are acknowledging that any talk of Benghazi is, has been, and will be at least through the 2016 election simply Republicans trying to exploit the tragedy for sick political purposes. Only Republicans would have like the administration to immediately give props to the terrorists rather than investigate first.
Oooh

Huntsville, AL

#106767 May 6, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
<quoted text>
When was the last time an automatic weapon was used in a crime in the US????
trick question because the gun fetish people want us to think there is a big difference in how many children can be shot quickly between fully automatic and semi-automatic.
victam

San Jose, CA

#106768 May 6, 2013
Police say three men confronted a woman and her six-year-old son at their home in Boulder, threatened them, and then stole her car.

It sparked a pursuit which had to be aborted for safety reasons.

The vehicle was driven to Esperance where a burglary was committed and an elderly man assaulted.

Police say an elderly couple was eating dinner in Monjingup when three men entered their house and assaulted the 70-year-old man.

He is believed to have been struck with a hammer and suffered a serious head injury.

The trio then ransacked the house and stole the couple's car.

Police set up a checkpoint south of Norseman and about 10:00 pm, a hatchback matching the description of the stolen car, drove through at high speed, almost running a police vehicle off the road.

On the way back to Kalgoorlie, it is alleged the three occupants of the car committed a number of fuel drive-offs.

Officers pursued the vehicle when it was sighted near Widgiemooltha, travelling at high speed, and deployed a stinger device which blew out the two front tyres.

It eventually became bogged south of Kalgoorlie and police arrested its five occupants who were trying to flee in bushland.

Four men and a 17-year-old girl are assisting detectives with their inquiries.

The 70-year-old victim is being flown to Royal Perth Hospital.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#106769 May 6, 2013
Larry wrote:
I havent said or implied anything about the rate of crime in mexico, I ve said control measures should include mexico.
Here is what you said: "Places around the world that have a low rate of gun ownership tend to have less crime."

Mexico has extremely low gun ownership. In fact, no one except police, military and armed security personnel are allowed to carry, open or concealed, outside the home. They are also restricted as to what type and caliber they are allowed to own by federal law. The criminal cartels don't give a damn what the law says, and last year they had over 60,000 homicides in Mexico. So what was it you were saying about low ownership = less crime???

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#106770 May 6, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Most incorrect. Illinois ALWAYS had a "2nd amendment". Every since they became part of the union. It's just that their treasonous government never acknowledged it. Nor did the equally treasonous federal ever enforce U.S. citizens rights there.(As the federal had after passage of the 14th with many former slaves).
Article IV, Section 2.
"The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States."
Article VI, U.S.C.-
"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."
"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, AND the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States AND of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."
Article. VII.
"The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same."
Care to restate your case?
your right I looked into last night and the Modern Pseudo Liberals have disregarded the Illinois State Constitutional provisions enumerating the Individual Right to Keep and Bear Arms and its in Article I, Section 22 in the Illinois State Constitution which says.

"Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

just think six states do not have a Constitutional provisions enumerating the Individual Right to Keep and Bear Arms and they are California, Iowa, Maryland, Minnesota, & New Jersey.

44 States do have a Constitutional provisions enumerating the Individual Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

http://www.saf.org/...

6 States do not have a Constitutional provisions enumerating the Individual Right to Keep and Bear Arms

http://www.saf.org/...
gunismybuddy

San Jose, CA

#106771 May 6, 2013
Larry wrote:
Should make it illegal to import or sell or own an automatic weapon in the US, its common sense, nobody needs an automatic weapon, if you are doing the right thing it wont affect you at all. Same with background checks. Why oppose something that will stop criminals getting guns, and the most deadly types of guns when it wont affect you personally?
No person, no American has any right to promote gun control. Gun control is unAmerican, illegal and immoral.
gunismybuddy

San Jose, CA

#106772 May 6, 2013
Larry wrote:
Thats why they need stricter gun control there, it needs to be nation wide.
A free people ought to be armed. to disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them.
looney

Huntsville, AL

#106773 May 6, 2013
gunismybuddy wrote:
<quoted text> No person, no American has any right to promote gun control. Gun control is unAmerican, illegal and immoral.
toons.
GoGoBar

Chiang Mai, Thailand

#106774 May 6, 2013
The UN investigating agencies have just released their findings into the use of Sarin Gas in Syria.12 hours ago.
It states that the evidence leads to it having been used by the opposition. Ie the sunnis. The conclusion would be that that they wish the US to arm them and supply a no free zone.
The Jews are trying to dictate to Obama.
What should he do?

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#106775 May 6, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
The UN investigating agencies have just released their findings into the use of Sarin Gas in Syria.12 hours ago.
It states that the evidence leads to it having been used by the opposition. Ie the sunnis. The conclusion would be that that they wish the US to arm them and supply a no free zone.
The Jews are trying to dictate to Obama.
What should he do?
We should back off and let Israel handle it.
Larry

Australia

#106776 May 6, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
<quoted text>
Here is what you said: "Places around the world that have a low rate of gun ownership tend to have less crime."
Mexico has extremely low gun ownership. In fact, no one except police, military and armed security personnel are allowed to carry, open or concealed, outside the home. They are also restricted as to what type and caliber they are allowed to own by federal law. The criminal cartels don't give a damn what the law says, and last year they had over 60,000 homicides in Mexico. So what was it you were saying about low ownership = less crime???
well what about places like Japan Australia, Scandinavian countries. I believe they have some very low rates of crime. The ironic thing about the Norway shooting, is that minus that event their population of 4.something million has a very low rate of crime. Possibly mexico is just mexico? Maybe they infact dont have a low rate of gun ownership as it is not emforced heavily enough?
GoGoBar

Chiang Mai, Thailand

#106777 May 6, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
<quoted text>
We should back off and let Israel handle it.
MaCain Suggests differntly
Larry

Australia

#106778 May 6, 2013
Oooh wrote:
<quoted text>
trick question because the gun fetish people want us to think there is a big difference in how many children can be shot quickly between fully automatic and semi-automatic.
Semi automatic weapons are banned in australia, importing them here is prohibited also.

You should ban semi automatic weapons also

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