It's the Guns, Stupid

It's the Guns, Stupid

There are 103340 comments on the Truthdig story from Apr 20, 2007, titled It's the Guns, Stupid. In it, Truthdig reports that:

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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spocko

Oakland, CA

#103987 Apr 10, 2013
Empathica wrote:
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You mean to say... The Founders didn't foretell or otherwise foresee assault weapons?
Say it isn't so...
Yeah man wuz up with that?

“" BITE ME "”

Since: Dec 10

Olney township

#103991 Apr 10, 2013
DavidQ762 wrote:
<quoted text>
America Doesnít Have a Gun Problem, It Has a Gang Problem
"Chicagoís murder numbers have hit that magic 500. Baltimoreís murder toll has passed 200. In Philly, itís up to 324, the highest since 2007. In Detroit, itís approaching 400, another record. In New Orleans, itís almost at 200. New York City is down to 414 from 508. In Los Angeles, itís over 500. In St. Louis itís 113 and 130 in Oakland. Itís 121 in Memphis and 76 in Birmingham.
"Washington, D.C., home of the boys and girls who can solve it all, is nearing its own big 100.
"Those 12 cities alone account for nearly 3,200 dead and nearly a quarter of all murders in the United States. And we havenít even visited sunny Atlanta or chilly Cleveland...."
"...Homicide rates like these show that something is broken, but it isnít broken among the Romney voters rushing to stock up on assault rifles every time Obama begins threatening their right to buy them; itís broken among OBAMAíS base...."
"...A breakdown of the Chicago killing fields shows that 83% of those murdered in Chicago last year had criminal records. In Philly, itís 75%. In Milwaukee itís 77% percent. In New Orleans, itís 64%. In Baltimore, itís 91%. Many were felons who had served time. And as many as 80% of the homicides were gang related...."
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/amer...
Topix Forum Link:
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/amer...
America has a "Responsibility" problem. You can't legislate responsibility so therefore...

You simply take the toys away.

“" BITE ME "”

Since: Dec 10

Olney township

#103994 Apr 10, 2013
DavidQ762 wrote:
It's the Guns, stupid?
No, not even close. IT'S THE GANGS, stupid.
Our treasonous government is attempting to punish EVERYONE for the crimes of a very few. Instead of going after the people that are REALLY causing the problem. They attempt to VIOLATE We The People's Constitution. When they should be using their DELEGATED authority to go after the REAL criminals. They are using the criminals in order to advance their own perverse agenda. Capitalizing on the rare mass shooting events. Of which there probably wouldn't have been ANY - AT ALL. If We The People were all Armed as was Constitutionally INTENDED. Our [supposed]'leaders' are FRAUDS.
Oh ^look^, yet another disgruntled Conservative Bible Babbler who didn't get their Bush tax rebate this time around.

Bummer.
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#104001 Apr 10, 2013
spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep, so they said 220 years ago when the choice came down to a musket or bow and arrow ... ye moron!
They also did not foresee a standing army or the political corruption rampant now. They also did not see internet, computers, electronic voting booths, radio, TV. They did however remember history and foresee human nature staying the same in the many years to come. The fact that humans will still have the same problems years from now even if the method changes. Rights do not expire just because time passes. The strong will always attempt to enslave or take advantage of the weak. Those in power will always attempt to expand that power. They knew governments always outgrow their intended purpose and the people in order to control that power must maintain the ability to reel that power in. So yes as the governments weapons evolve so must the citizens in order to maintain checks and balances. They did know that.
cilly sunt

Brisbane, Australia

#104002 Apr 10, 2013
DavidQ762 wrote:
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And this coming from an effeminate one that has already let their perverse government disarm them? The VAST MAJORITY of Americans are VERY "responsible" It's much of the welfare class and our perverse government that are the REAL problem.
I notice in your posts you quite often equate gun ownership with male sexuality,ď emasculated australians, this blokes effeminate because he disagrees with you ď.
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spocko

Oakland, CA

#104003 Apr 10, 2013
Natty Bumppo wrote:
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Tell me what it's like living in a criminal cesspool like Oakland, Ca? Commies, criminals and illegal aliens I guess. Do you live there by choice or is it the generous welfare system your bankrupt state has. When the welfare finally trickles to an end, that's when you will need a gun if you plan to go on living.
Compared to what - your cave?
spocko

Oakland, CA

#104004 Apr 10, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> They also did not foresee a standing army or the political corruption rampant now. They also did not see internet, computers, electronic voting booths, radio, TV. They did however remember history and foresee human nature staying the same in the many years to come. The fact that humans will still have the same problems years from now even if the method changes. Rights do not expire just because time passes. The strong will always attempt to enslave or take advantage of the weak. Those in power will always attempt to expand that power. They knew governments always outgrow their intended purpose and the people in order to control that power must maintain the ability to reel that power in. So yes as the governments weapons evolve so must the citizens in order to maintain checks and balances. They did know that.
Of course Forrest ... whatever you say :-/

“" BITE ME "”

Since: Dec 10

Olney township

#104005 Apr 10, 2013
DavidQ762 wrote:
<quoted text>
And this coming from an effeminate one that has already let their perverse government disarm them? The VAST MAJORITY of Americans are VERY "responsible" It's much of the welfare class and our perverse government that are the REAL problem.
Responsible? Tell that to the deputy, who's 4 year old shot and killed his wife yesterday. The deputy responsibly left his personal, loaded weapon laying on the bed during a family gathering. Happens everyday within this country. Newtown is a prime example of the responsibility level with you "law abiding" gun owners.

You know, I'm simply amazed that neolithic knuckle dragging, Gospel gumbies like yourself...

Are able to find your fly with both hands.

Perhaps, not.
GoGoBar

Pattaya, Thailand

#104010 Apr 10, 2013
DavidQ762 wrote:
<quoted text>
"...Homicide rates like these show that something is broken, but it isnít broken among the Romney voters rushing to stock up on assault rifles every time Obama begins threatening their right to buy them; itís broken among OBAMAíS base...."
"...A breakdown of the Chicago killing fields shows that 83% of those murdered in Chicago last year had criminal records. In Philly, itís 75%. In Milwaukee itís 77% percent. In New Orleans, itís 64%. In Baltimore, itís 91%. Many were felons who had served time. And as many as 80% of the homicides were gang related...."
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/amer...
Topix Forum Link:
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/amer...
The murder rate is pretty uniform accross all the States.
Around 4.8/100,000. The same as Yemen.

Gang related is about 10% of the murders in the US.

The biggest circumstance is arguments.

The smallest circumstance is self defence.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in...
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Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#104015 Apr 10, 2013
DavidQ762 wrote:
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Because criminals are selfish cowards. And always seek the path of least resistance. That's why almost none of those mass shooters try their treachery in police stations or army bases.(Only the suicidal/homicidal maniacs do that). Armed people are a FREE and SAFE people. The unarmed are left to the mercy of their attacker. And are left with no recourse.
God gave us the precious gift of Life. And He expects us to take measures to PRESERVE it:
ďWhen a strong man armed, keepeth his palace, his goods are in peaceĒ--Jesus, Luke 11:21
"And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through".--Jesus, Luke 12:39
Then said he unto them, "But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one".-- Jesus, whom is the Christ - The Lord, Luke 22:36
There are also many warnings to people that will not defend themselves or their faith:
"For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape....."-- 1 Thess. 5:3
Do you know who were the first people yo practice arms control?-
1 Samuel 13:19 -
Now there was no smith found throughout all the land of Israel: for the Philistines said, Lest the Hebrews make [them] swords or spears:
And this is the reason WHY we must never allow the disarming of American Citizens;
1 Samuel 13:22 -
So it came to pass in the day of battle, that there was neither sword nor spear found in the hand of any of the people that [were] with Saul and Jonathan: but with Saul and with Jonathan his son was there found.
"A View of that great and flourishing City of BOSTON, when in its purity, and out of the Hands of the Philistines."
- A Declaration Setting forth the Causes and Necessity Of their taking up Arms, July 6th, 1775.
And where are the "Philistines" now?(Seems as if they have subversively spread all around the world).
Thus can those that that support 'gun control' can be referred to as "Philistines".
Are >you< a "Philistine" Ahomana?
A: Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all etc... 31 The second is this:'Love your neighbor as yourself.
THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMANDMENTS GREATER THAN THESE TWO, take heed of the word of "your god"....if indeed you truly believe such a person exists.
Thou shalt NOT kill!
But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.
1, Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2, For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
See anyone can quote the bible, it is only the most stupid who say claim to be godly and then go against everything god has clearly stipulated.
I am an atheist so to quote the bible to me is like reading Cinderella...but you!....you are in big trouble with the man and it doesn't take a Rhodes scholar to know you are going to burn in hell for ignoring his clear and concise directive of what he mean't in the most literal terms there...

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#104017 Apr 10, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Maybe, could be, might. It is not about the gun, it's about the mind set of not wanting to be an unarmed victim. No a gun can't just jump up and defend it's owner and not all gun owners will need a gun for defense but it is the most efficient means of self defense we have at this point in history. Just having a gun will not save your life during an attack, you must have the mind set to take an active roll in your own self defense, be it with a gun or any other means of resistance available at the time. Being unarmed simply removes the option of that tool being available if needed. Being armed may save your life, being unarmed insures your life being at the mercy of anyone wanting to take it. Criminals are not known for their mercy.
A: NO it doesn't and I have explained why many times...still not getting the message though...

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#104018 Apr 10, 2013
crawlfish wrote:
<quoted text>O, for sure, a liberal transplant. Hes no more southern then barrack obama.
Which, for the record, I think should be impeached.
You might want to add the Bush's,Reagan and Clinton to that list.
Sir Bucking Fastard

UK

#104019 Apr 10, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Well most homes in the world have the things they need, no one NEEDS a gun...
"(N)o one needs a gun..."

Does that apply to the police, and military as well?
Sir Bucking Fastard

UK

#104020 Apr 10, 2013
Empathica wrote:
<quoted text>
America has a "Responsibility" problem. You can't legislate responsibility so therefore...
You simply take the toys away.
YOU are MY TOY.

Should YOU be 'taken away' in a permanent way?
Sir Bucking Fastard

UK

#104022 Apr 10, 2013
Empathica wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh ^look^, yet another disgruntled Conservative Bible Babbler who didn't get their Bush tax rebate this time around.
Bummer.
Oh ^look^, yet another disgruntled Liberal, communist, socialist, statist, obama Dick Licker Bible Basher who didn't get his obama welfare check this time around.
Bummer.
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Venezuela

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Teaman

Mount Holly, NJ

#104025 Apr 10, 2013
southern guy wrote:
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oh come on, there's a reason why Jersey's known as the ARMPIT of America, its a stinking dump, depressing wasteland with the highest crime rats in the country. That's prolly why these guidos claim to be 'southern' where they lived their whole lives north of the Mason Dixon line. No guns. no business.
Guido!? That's funny. You're watching too much Jersey Shore. They're New Yorkers. Never claimed to be southern, I just like the south.

BTW, your crime rate is higher than ours.
Otara is a virgin

Poltava, Ukraine

#104026 Apr 10, 2013
It's a Jersey thing

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