It's the Guns, Stupid

There are 103340 comments on the Truthdig story from Apr 20, 2007, titled It's the Guns, Stupid. In it, Truthdig reports that:

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#102751 Mar 15, 2013
Teaman wrote:
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I hear ya.:-)
Speaking of which, where is Gottaliv, I wonder?
I don't know, but I wished she would come back....I think we just heaped too much on her because we thought she was invincible....:(
Teaman

Mount Holly, NJ

#102752 Mar 15, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
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I don't know, but I wished she would come back....I think we just heaped too much on her because we thought she was invincible....:(
She had been mentioning all of the rain she was getting. I hope she wasn't in the flood area.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#102754 Mar 16, 2013
Teaman wrote:
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She had been mentioning all of the rain she was getting. I hope she wasn't in the flood area.
Me too....
MalbaCACCA is gay

Toronto, Canada

#102756 Mar 16, 2013
he loves boys
MalbaCACCA is gay

Toronto, Canada

#102757 Mar 16, 2013
Just walk away Mal-bar, you wont see my follow you back home.
MalbarCACA Controllers

UK

#102758 Mar 16, 2013
MalbaCACCA is gay wrote:
he loves boys
We know you do, and prancing around like a fairy queen in your pink leotard.

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#102759 Mar 16, 2013
I'm still waiting for one(1), just one(1), logical, rationale, reasonable explanation why your typical, average, everyday citizen-at-large would require a semi-auto/automatic/military style, assault grade weapon to defend themselves &/or their property, the AR-15 under contention for example...Just one(1), you know, much like I'm still waiting for someone to show me one(1), just one(1), so-called "Weapon of Mass Destruction" to justify all of the tax payer money and the lives of our sons and daughters, mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters of our soldiers in arms, not to mention all of the civilian lives we lost here in the states with the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers, as well as all of the subsequent and still tabulating deaths resulting from the Towers' the toxic debris fallout, the government has and is put(ting) into the yet still ongoing war in the Middle East...Just one(1).

Anyone...?
Wayne LaPierre

Thailand

#102760 Mar 16, 2013
just an allusion wrote:
I'm still waiting for one(1), just one(1), logical, rationale, reasonable explanation why your typical, average, everyday citizen-at-large would require a semi-auto/automatic/military style, assault grade weapon to defend themselves &/or their property, the AR-15 under contention for example...Just one(1), you know, much like I'm still waiting for someone to show me one(1), just one(1), so-called "Weapon of Mass Destruction" to justify all of the tax payer money and the lives of our sons and daughters, mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters of our soldiers in arms, not to mention all of the civilian lives we lost here in the states with the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers, as well as all of the subsequent and still tabulating deaths resulting from the Towers' the toxic debris fallout, the government has and is put(ting) into the yet still ongoing war in the Middle East...Just one(1).
Anyone...?
Increased market share of the American economy.
Teaman

Mount Holly, NJ

#102761 Mar 16, 2013
just an allusion wrote:
I'm still waiting for one(1), just one(1), logical, rationale, reasonable explanation why your typical, average, everyday citizen-at-large would require a semi-auto/automatic/military style, assault grade weapon to defend themselves &/or their property, the AR-15 under contention for example...Just one(1), you know, much like I'm still waiting for someone to show me one(1), just one(1), so-called "Weapon of Mass Destruction" to justify all of the tax payer money and the lives of our sons and daughters, mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters of our soldiers in arms, not to mention all of the civilian lives we lost here in the states with the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers, as well as all of the subsequent and still tabulating deaths resulting from the Towers' the toxic debris fallout, the government has and is put(ting) into the yet still ongoing war in the Middle East...Just one(1).
Anyone...?
First of all, they don't fire any differently than most hunting rifles which are more lethal. They are not military weapons. The military uses automatic weapons. They are simply military in appearance. I don't know where term weapon of mass destruction comes from. Most semiautomatic hand guns carry more rounds and are a larger caliber.

One example would be a rancher on the southern border with drug cartel trafficking through his property and subject to a home invasion out in the wilderness.

What if the twin tower attack was even better planned and was accompanied by a sleeper cell uprising in the streets with their automatic weapons? Could the average citizen protect his home and family? The second amendment provides the average citizen the ability to defend themselves.

And most of all, once you tinker with one of the bill of rights, the rest of them are vulnerable. Maybe someday the press speaking out against government policy would become treasonous once the bills of rights are compromised.

Why don't we try criminal control instead of disarming honest citizens?
Teaman

Mount Holly, NJ

#102762 Mar 16, 2013
Wayne LaPierre wrote:
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Increased market share of the American economy.
The military industrial complex does that very well on its own without the public market.
GoGoBar is a Pedo

Thailand

#102763 Mar 16, 2013
Teaman wrote:
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The military industrial complex does that very well on its own without the public market.
3200ft/second. A NATO round.

Go away Tea!

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#102764 Mar 16, 2013
GoGoBar is a Pedo wrote:
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A NATO round.
Which means what exactly?

Since: Jan 11

Mount Holly, NJ

#102765 Mar 16, 2013
GoGoBar is a Pedo wrote:
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3200ft/second. A NATO round.
Go away Tea!
Duh. NATO bullets go fast. Duh.
Frank

Oakland, CA

#102766 Mar 16, 2013
just an allusion wrote:
I'm still waiting for one(1), just one(1), logical, rationale, reasonable explanation why your typical, average, everyday citizen-at-large would require a semi-auto/automatic/military style, assault grade weapon to defend themselves &/or their property, the AR-15 under contention for example...Just one(1), you know, much like I'm still waiting for someone to show me one(1), just one(1), so-called "Weapon of Mass Destruction" to justify all of the tax payer money and the lives of our sons and daughters, mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters of our soldiers in arms, not to mention all of the civilian lives we lost here in the states with the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers, as well as all of the subsequent and still tabulating deaths resulting from the Towers' the toxic debris fallout, the government has and is put(ting) into the yet still ongoing war in the Middle East...Just one(1).
Anyone...?
Lots of explanations in the rightwing - alternative universe ...
Teaman

Mount Holly, NJ

#102767 Mar 16, 2013
Frank wrote:
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Lots of explanations in the rightwing - alternative universe ...
Derrr, alternative universe. Are you parroting Move On or Think Progress?
The Bucking Fastard

UK

#102768 Mar 16, 2013
Frank wrote:
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Lots of explanations in the rightwing - alternative universe ...
But don't you really mean the 'leftwing alternative universe' where you communofascist ZIONAZIS are bitter clingers to your belief system where everyone is subject to your oppressive control freak, power junky ideology?
Don't be afraid to admit it, because every time you post, it bleeds right on through.
The Bucking Fastard

UK

#102769 Mar 16, 2013
just an allusion wrote:
I'm still waiting for one(1), just one(1), logical, rationale, reasonable explanation why your typical, average, everyday citizen-at-large would require a semi-auto/automatic/military style, assault grade weapon to defend themselves &/or their property, the AR-15 under contention for example...Just one(1), you know, much like I'm still waiting for someone to show me one(1), just one(1), so-called "Weapon of Mass Destruction" to justify all of the tax payer money and the lives of our sons and daughters, mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters of our soldiers in arms, not to mention all of the civilian lives we lost here in the states with the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers, as well as all of the subsequent and still tabulating deaths resulting from the Towers' the toxic debris fallout, the government has and is put(ting) into the yet still ongoing war in the Middle East...Just one(1).
Anyone...?
You want an answer to your query?
All any red-blooded American has to say is that he has the right to own just any darned gun he damned well pleases, and he DOES NOT have render ANY kind of reason to you or anyone else.

Americans have a BILL OF RIGHT, and NOT as bill of needs, or wants.

FInally, do tell: Just how is it that you conflate the events of 9-11-2001 with gun ownership?
The Bucking Fastard

UK

#102770 Mar 16, 2013
Teaman wrote:
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Derrr, alternative universe. Are you parroting Move On or Think Progress?
She's parroting the buttcrack in the whitehouse.
Frank

Oakland, CA

#102771 Mar 16, 2013
The Bucking Fastard wrote:
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But don't you really mean the 'leftwing alternative universe' where you communofascist ZIONAZIS are bitter clingers to your belief system where everyone is subject to your oppressive control freak, power junky ideology?
Don't be afraid to admit it, because every time you post, it bleeds right on through.
Huh?
The Bucking Fastard

UK

#102772 Mar 16, 2013
Frank wrote:
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Huh?
Yeah!

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