It's the Guns, Stupid

It's the Guns, Stupid

There are 103292 comments on the Truthdig story from Apr 20, 2007, titled It's the Guns, Stupid. In it, Truthdig reports that:

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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GoGoNar

Chiang Mai, Thailand

#100383 Feb 19, 2013
Well basically, if 1/3 or 2/3 of Americans own guns for selfe defence.
Then why are the figures consistent for murder.

14000 murders (8775 by guns)

221 justifiable murders by firearms for defense,

Where is the arithmatic?

Shouldnt it be less murders and more Justifiable self defence by guns?
Brit Expat

Villevieille, France

#100384 Feb 19, 2013
Only for the gun totting American halfwit.

Watch out,watch out theres a commie about. Boo! LMFAO.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#100385 Feb 19, 2013
GoGoNar wrote:
Well basically, if 1/3 or 2/3 of Americans own guns for selfe defence.
Then why are the figures consistent for murder.
14000 murders (8775 by guns)
221 justifiable murders by firearms for defense,
Where is the arithmatic?
Shouldnt it be less murders and more Justifiable self defence by guns?
The same reason there are so many nuclear weapons yet no nuclear war. The same reason cops carry guns but only a small portion will ever fire one in the line of duty. The same reason the secret service carries guns yet when is the last time you heard of one firing it in the line of duty? Ask any cop if they have had to kill anyone with their gun and the vast majority will say no but all will tell you it would be almost impossible to do their job without it. CRIMINALS AVOID ARMED VICTIMS. Surely you could figure that out for yourself? You are a criminal, you want a TV. you have two neighbors with nice TVs, one owns a gun the other don't. Which window are you crawling through? See the gun worked without firing a shot. DUH.
Spocko

Oakland, CA

#100386 Feb 19, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> The same reason there are so many nuclear weapons yet no nuclear war. The same reason cops carry guns but only a small portion will ever fire one in the line of duty. The same reason the secret service carries guns yet when is the last time you heard of one firing it in the line of duty? Ask any cop if they have had to kill anyone with their gun and the vast majority will say no but all will tell you it would be almost impossible to do their job without it. CRIMINALS AVOID ARMED VICTIMS. Surely you could figure that out for yourself? You are a criminal, you want a TV. you have two neighbors with nice TVs, one owns a gun the other don't. Which window are you crawling through? See the gun worked without firing a shot. DUH.
NRA rubbish ... like a friggen broken record! Blah,Blah,Blah ....

Since: Feb 11

Chatteris, UK

#100387 Feb 19, 2013
The ADELAIDEAN wrote:
<quoted text>
You unlocked your InBox, didn't like what you saw, and are again in denial.
I seem to recall you saying to Ahomana:
"you never did reply or offer any answer,,,would that be because you knew where the debate was headed ;-)"
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/australia/TI...
Could it be that you are similarly prone?:)
There is nothing in my inbox to either like or dislike,,,at NO time have you offered any type of explanation as to whatever point you wish to make.
This conversation started here for all to see,,the other posters are probably droping dead from boredom, but in the interests of politness to those other posters, I urge you to say here what ever it is you have on your mind.
If you do indeed have a point to make and you prove to be correct then I will admit I was wrong.
Bye the way you failed to acknoledge a couple of comments I made, however I am neither surprised or botherd.

Since: Feb 11

Chatteris, UK

#100388 Feb 19, 2013
The ADELAIDEAN wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm increasingly finding such news believable Ahomana.:)
Believe it or not I've actually been trying all this time give spider1954 a good old British 'sporting chance' to minimize embarrassment to himself, but he does seem to have worked that out yet.:)
Embarrass away,,do you really think anything you may have to say is truly going to bother me.

Since: Feb 11

Chatteris, UK

#100389 Feb 19, 2013
The ADELAIDEAN wrote:
<quoted text>
"The cupboard is bare"? At this writing it probably is ... NOW.:)
Quit waffeling and get on with it.

Since: Feb 11

Chatteris, UK

#100390 Feb 19, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
No! I did respond to most of his posts, he just didn't appreciate the recipe I sent that proved my point so he kept wasting my time with nonsense....I liken him to a retard rather than a brainiac.
Yes you do reply to most of the post's I direct at you and I likewise in return,,it did however seem rather convenient that you neglected that particular post when you were so obviously annoyed that you were wrong.

The recipe was great , exactly the same as the one in my book.

Funny how you resort to name calling, swearing and insults when your struggling.
Spocko

Oakland, CA

#100392 Feb 19, 2013
Guppy wrote:
First he hits her in the head with a cricket bat. That doesn't do the job, so he pulls out his gun and chases her to the bathroom. She must have been terrified.
Just think. If she had a gun, he would be dead and she would be in big trouble, even though he started it.
Another thing. She was a pretty girl. What was she doing with HIM?
Actually she did have a gun --- kept it in her purse. So now you friggen retarded gun-a-holics are suggesting we all should wear a shoulder holster in our own home?!!
Brit Expat

Villevieille, France

#100393 Feb 19, 2013
Spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually she did have a gun --- kept it in her purse. So now you friggen retarded gun-a-holics are suggesting we all should wear a shoulder holster in our own home?!!
Hillarious! A gun a day keeps the quacks happy.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#100394 Feb 19, 2013
Spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
Not only do you seem to hate women bur you hate everyone, unless they go around gunning down others - we need gun control to protect you from yourself - yemoron!
Pure projection on your part...nothing more. I hate no one.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#100395 Feb 19, 2013
Spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
so you killed her?
You truly are a POS.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#100396 Feb 19, 2013
SHARMOOR wrote:
india will lead the world.
racists must be castrated
How very racist of you.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#100397 Feb 19, 2013
spider1954 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes you do reply to most of the post's I direct at you and I likewise in return,,it did however seem rather convenient that you neglected that particular post when you were so obviously annoyed that you were wrong.
The recipe was great , exactly the same as the one in my book.
Funny how you resort to name calling, swearing and insults when your struggling.
If I don't respond to your post it is because you become pedantic even when a point is proven ie: the fruit cake with nuts in it, you failed to take it's meaning where I was saying you are insane. Note it's origins which are British, assuming you are one. Maybe this will clear it up, as you don't seem to want to take the womens cookbook bible as gospel.
Please take note what it says before you respond as it proves beyond doubt that fruit cakes can and do include nuts.....:)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_cake
Guppy

Venice, FL

#100398 Feb 19, 2013
Spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually she did have a gun --- kept it in her purse. So now you friggen retarded gun-a-holics are suggesting we all should wear a shoulder holster in our own home?!!
So much for carrying a gun.........Didn't do her any good, did it?

Shoulder holster in your own home? Who suggested that? I think that was your idea.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#100399 Feb 19, 2013
I watched Dateline last night and as much as I know Yanks love their guns it is like a nightmare to see to what lengths they go to to brainwash themselves and their kids...
The NRA has clearly lost the plot and has introduced guns in colours, pink for girls(so the boy won't touch them) and blue for boys. All those on this page that say how responsible gun owners are, haven't seen the woman that has a gun in her living room, kitchen draw, bathroom draw ,beside table (and while her hubby is away,) under her pillow. No lockers in sight, not safety anyone (even a child) can enter or go to the bathroom and grab a gun....way to go you gun toting lunatics. Check outthe gun fashion statements for women...you people are feckin' insane. Watch the video on the gun ho stupid Americans that supplied no statistics for the paranoia so seriously folks none of you should be able to get a gun you are all INSANE.

http://www.sbs.com.au/dateline/story/about/id...
Spocko

Oakland, CA

#100400 Feb 19, 2013
Guppy wrote:
<quoted text>
So much for carrying a gun.........Didn't do her any good, did it?
Shoulder holster in your own home? Who suggested that? I think that was your idea.
Nope, it's a question. Going by NRA logic that if anyone that has a gun can defend against any assault would require a gun on your person at all times - the shower might be a bit of a problem :-)
play in traffic GoGoBar

Medellín, Colombia

#100401 Feb 19, 2013
GoGoNar wrote:
Well basically, if 1/3 or 2/3 of Americans own guns for selfe defence.
Then why are the figures consistent for murder.
14000 murders (8775 by guns)
221 justifiable murders by firearms for defense,
Where is the arithmatic?
Shouldnt it be less murders and more Justifiable self defence by guns?
Stop repeating the same shit over and over.
Go and f/ucking die.
your the most annoying poster here by far.
Nobody ever agrees with what you say.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#100402 Feb 19, 2013
Oh, oh, and check out the woman who goes in to buy another gun(of which she already has four) it is only a small on and costs her $550, she should take a look in the mirror as the money could be better spent.

Lets now talk about how long it takes to do a background check at this store, five minutes and the gun is hers.
The guns can also be bought by people without a background check, note I said without a background check, where people can get anything from a colt to an assault weapon....
Well there it is folks Yanks and their bloody idiocy in all it's glory and they wonder why the sane think they are totally insane.....Yet another fashion statement they make is how good women can look in "camo gear" designed specifically for women and they actually think they have kept their femininity while hunting or skeet shooting....In a few words, NO, NO THEY HAVEN'T! what they look like is a bunch of rednecked, undefined sex, trogladites, nothing remotely resembling anything with a vagina.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#100403 Feb 19, 2013
I left out the place they can get just about any type of weapon, that is at gun shows and they wonder where the crims get their guns from....I have to ask seriously are these people for feckin' real, or is America just one big shoot em up spaghetti western?

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