It's the Guns, Stupid

It's the Guns, Stupid

There are 103293 comments on the Truthdig story from Apr 20, 2007, titled It's the Guns, Stupid. In it, Truthdig reports that:

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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#100291 Feb 17, 2013
spider1954 wrote:
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The ten minute delay between shots is interesting, any thoughts ?
Two actually, one he was taking his time killing her, he wanted to make her suffer and sense the fear as she realised what he intended to do to her, or she had called out when he wounded her, so he had to take that time to think through what he needed to do to make it appear he had accidentally shot her as an intruder. I would move to the latter he had his life to think about after the fact. Either way if he took ten minutes between shots it shows he was a cold blooded and calculated manipulator about wanting it to be seen as a tragic accident. If she was dead she couldn't dispute his story, so the element of doubt would exist as he has a strong standing in the public arena, as did OJ.

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#100292 Feb 17, 2013
Guppy wrote:
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There is a movie about the two girls who killed the mother. Creepy girls. Something about a rock......
Yes, they made a movie about it called Heavenly Creatures, they and you are right they used the rock to bash the mothers head , they were very creepy girls.

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#100293 Feb 17, 2013
Spocko wrote:
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The Veteran guy is a blatant misogynist, note his personal experience of women – a bar, yes he claims to have been a bartender observing women behaving badly, imagine that women hanging out in a bar behaving badly – it can’t be :-)
Yes I did reply to one of those post as it showed a clear lack of education about the sexes and women in general. I have no doubt that some people of both sexes have the ability to behave badly after a few drinks, though to single out one and say they are worse than the other, is irrational.

Since: Feb 11

Ely, UK

#100294 Feb 17, 2013
Checkm8 wrote:
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That's it, as in nearly every situations in nature the female is the carer and protector of her young, even to the point of starving herself or risking her life to fight off males that would hurt or kill them.
Men find it especially horrific to learn about a female killing her offspring or involved in a crime against another human, and are often the ones who are more critical than they would be if a man did the same thing all because of the idealistic expectation we have about women as the motherly love influence over our lives.
I agree to an extent,,,however the women I have spoken to seem to be more outraged with the thought that another female could behave in such a manner.
Tragically I can bare witness to men losing their life in the defence of children who are not their own. That surely is normal for both sexes.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#100295 Feb 17, 2013
Checkm8 wrote:
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Yes I did reply to one of those post as it showed a clear lack of education about the sexes and women in general. I have no doubt that some people of both sexes have the ability to behave badly after a few drinks, though to single out one and say they are worse than the other, is irrational.
Hi ya wizz kid, good concert last night? BTW what Spocko says is true Spider and most of the males on here are mysogynistic pigs.
I had a dispute with Spider over a fruit cake recipe and he still doesn't believe you put nuts in a fruit cake, even after I showed him said recipe in the Australian food bible, the CWA cookbook, it has been a point of contention on his part ever since....Phttt, no nuts in fruit cake, who would believe such a thing?
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Kiev, Ukraine

#100296 Feb 17, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
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Hi ya wizz kid, good concert last night? BTW what Spocko says is true Spider and most of the males on here are mysogynistic pigs.
I had a dispute with Spider over a fruit cake recipe and he still doesn't believe you put nuts in a fruit cake, even after I showed him said recipe in the Australian food bible, the CWA cookbook, it has been a point of contention on his part ever since....Phttt, no nuts in fruit cake, who would believe such a thing?
Surely nobody would argue about food with YOU ! Im sure nobody on topix has eaten as much of it as you.

Since: Feb 11

Ely, UK

#100298 Feb 17, 2013
Checkm8 wrote:
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Two actually, one he was taking his time killing her, he wanted to make her suffer and sense the fear as she realised what he intended to do to her, or she had called out when he wounded her, so he had to take that time to think through what he needed to do to make it appear he had accidentally shot her as an intruder. I would move to the latter he had his life to think about after the fact. Either way if he took ten minutes between shots it shows he was a cold blooded and calculated manipulator about wanting it to be seen as a tragic accident. If she was dead she couldn't dispute his story, so the element of doubt would exist as he has a strong standing in the public arena, as did OJ.
The news report here stated that a witness who heard the shots,,allso heard a scream or cry,,after the first volley.

A couple I know have relatives out there,,never having been there myself I asked them what they thought. It appears that the level of crime is so high that it is very much a shoot first, question after society. Apparently just to steal your car, they shoot you then drag you out, as apposed to threatning you.

Since: Feb 11

Ely, UK

#100299 Feb 17, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
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Hi ya wizz kid, good concert last night? BTW what Spocko says is true Spider and most of the males on here are mysogynistic pigs.
I had a dispute with Spider over a fruit cake recipe and he still doesn't believe you put nuts in a fruit cake, even after I showed him said recipe in the Australian food bible, the CWA cookbook, it has been a point of contention on his part ever since....Phttt, no nuts in fruit cake, who would believe such a thing?
I am truly touched that you think so highly of me pet.
By the way,,,regarding the old recipe debate,,I told you that no court of law would ever support your view,,,you never did reply or offer any answer,,,would that be because you knew where the debate was headed ;-)

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#100300 Feb 17, 2013
spider1954 wrote:
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I agree to an extent,,,however the women I have spoken to seem to be more outraged with the thought that another female could behave in such a manner.
Tragically I can bare witness to men losing their life in the defence of children who are not their own. That surely is normal for both sexes.
No doubt that both sexes have the ability to protect the young but it is something that women generally do without thought to their person, a man will rationalise the danger. This is something that is implanted in their soul just as being a predator is implanted in ours, we can tame or alter it, but still it remains.
There have been stories of amazing women who when captured and tortured beyond the limit of most men, suffered with one goal in mind and that was to protect their allies even to death, and they did. Incredible when they are often referred to as the weaker sex? I have no doubt that a man would protect their child but a woman would raise (without thought) against even someone she loved to protect them, her partner father friends etc....so give them their due Spider, they earned it.

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#100301 Feb 17, 2013
spider1954 wrote:
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The news report here stated that a witness who heard the shots,,allso heard a scream or cry,,after the first volley.
A couple I know have relatives out there,,never having been there myself I asked them what they thought. It appears that the level of crime is so high that it is very much a shoot first, question after society. Apparently just to steal your car, they shoot you then drag you out, as apposed to threatning you.
Jesus, could you imagine living in such a place.

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#100302 Feb 17, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
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Hi ya wizz kid, good concert last night? BTW what Spocko says is true Spider and most of the males on here are mysogynistic pigs.
I had a dispute with Spider over a fruit cake recipe and he still doesn't believe you put nuts in a fruit cake, even after I showed him said recipe in the Australian food bible, the CWA cookbook, it has been a point of contention on his part ever since....Phttt, no nuts in fruit cake, who would believe such a thing?
Great concert, finished too late and raged against the clock this morning.
And I see you have eaten your weetbix today, you seem to be firing on all eight cylinders.:D

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#100303 Feb 17, 2013
spider1954 wrote:
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I am truly touched that you think so highly of me pet.
By the way,,,regarding the old recipe debate,,I told you that no court of law would ever support your view,,,you never did reply or offer any answer,,,would that be because you knew where the debate was headed ;-)
Dream on arachnid.
I believe my recipe would stand up in any court in the land...I sent you the recipe, what more did you want? Besides get the little woman to cook it up and then you will see the results for yourself!
I knew regardless of what I put up you wouldn't believe it, and you should never mistake my silence for agreement, that would be another mistake on your part.
GoGoBar

Hua Hin, Thailand

#100304 Feb 17, 2013
Yes, the best thing Australia ever did was end Apartheid and slavery.

Since: Jul 11

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#100305 Feb 17, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
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I am not justifying anything. I am merely debunking the claim that women in this country are treated worse than anywhere else in the world. Are women treated badly here??? Some are, yes. But not all are. I treat my wife like a queen and she appreciates it. I treat ALL women with respect until they no longer deserve my respect. Period. All I was saying was that those that claim women are treated worse here than anywhere else don't know WTF they are talking about. And I have seen it first hand over there.
It is nice to hear that you treat your wife well Vet, I didn't not say or presume that you would not. I treat my partner as my equal and she treats me likewise and I wouldn't have it any other way, but as you must realise we are not the norm though, are we?
If that were the case we wouldn't see so much domestic violence that targets women and children in our neck of the woods, but oddly enough we do and that is my point.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#100306 Feb 17, 2013
Checkm8 wrote:
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It is nice to hear that you treat your wife well Vet, I didn't not say or presume that you would not. I treat my partner as my equal and she treats me likewise and I wouldn't have it any other way, but as you must realise we are not the norm though, are we?
If that were the case we wouldn't see so much domestic violence that targets women and children in our neck of the woods, but oddly enough we do and that is my point.
Actually, it is more the norm than you think. It just seems as though it isn't because of how instantaneous and sensationalized BAD reports are forwarded around the internet, and how one-sided (to the side of the bad) the reporting is. Chivalry is NOT dead.

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#100307 Feb 17, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
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Actually, it is more the norm than you think. It just seems as though it isn't because of how instantaneous and sensationalized BAD reports are forwarded around the internet, and how one-sided (to the side of the bad) the reporting is. Chivalry is NOT dead.
I believe chivalry still exists also Vet, though it wouldn't be as much needed if people learned to treat all women with equality, the sad thing is, as much as we would like not to believe it, there is an awful lot of it going on.
I am surounded by guys and girls who think and were brought up to think like I do as well, and that is that everyone else has the same rights as us, then I see or hear about the rape or abuse of a female that demotes and degrades and often is life threatening to her, this has the power to bring me back to the real world I live in. One case of the abuse of women and kids at the hands of men is one case too many, and that includes talking about or to them in a fashion that sees them treated as anything but a first class citizen with the self same rights as we have. Cliche or not, until women get the same rights and pay as men then our countries on the whole have a problem with the oppression of women as clear as the Middle Eastern countries, moreso because we are supposed to be more civilised in our minds, what do you think?

Since: Feb 11

Ely, UK

#100308 Feb 17, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
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Dream on arachnid.
I believe my recipe would stand up in any court in the land...I sent you the recipe, what more did you want? Besides get the little woman to cook it up and then you will see the results for yourself!
I knew regardless of what I put up you wouldn't believe it, and you should never mistake my silence for agreement, that would be another mistake on your part.
You BELIEVE ? your recipe would stand up in any court in the land, so you admit at least to being uncertain.
I know as well as you and the other folks posting here that the choice of words used to convey an idea, or indeed a RIGHT are of the utmost importance, especially in the case of certain documents.

I wouldn't mistake your silence for agreement,,I consider it a case of uncertainty on your part,,another mistake on your part.

Since: Feb 11

Ely, UK

#100309 Feb 17, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
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Dream on arachnid.
I believe my recipe would stand up in any court in the land...I sent you the recipe, what more did you want? Besides get the little woman to cook it up and then you will see the results for yourself!
I knew regardless of what I put up you wouldn't believe it, and you should never mistake my silence for agreement, that would be another mistake on your part.
Further to that,,,the little women as you call her has never baked a cake in all the time I have known her, I wonder if you can guess who does.

Since: Feb 11

Ely, UK

#100310 Feb 18, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
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Actually, it is more the norm than you think. It just seems as though it isn't because of how instantaneous and sensationalized BAD reports are forwarded around the internet, and how one-sided (to the side of the bad) the reporting is. Chivalry is NOT dead.
I agree. good news doesent sell newspapers.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#100311 Feb 18, 2013
spider1954 wrote:
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You BELIEVE ? your recipe would stand up in any court in the land, so you admit at least to being uncertain.
I know as well as you and the other folks posting here that the choice of words used to convey an idea, or indeed a RIGHT are of the utmost importance, especially in the case of certain documents.
I wouldn't mistake your silence for agreement,,I consider it a case of uncertainty on your part,,another mistake on your part.
No I don't admit to uncertainty at all, I am either black or white but never dull as dishwater grey.
Seriously arachnid if a recipe requires nuts then it is a forgone conlclusion that I would win and you would be hopping off with your tail between one of your hairy legs.

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