It's the Guns, Stupid

It's the Guns, Stupid

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“And that's the end of the issue”

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Dr Freud

UK

#98922 Jan 28, 2013
Researcher wrote:
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Well, certainly The President is NOT an "anti-gun" anything, but I was interested to read this:
Has Obama himself ever fired a gun?
"Yes," the president says, "in fact, up at Camp David, we do skeet shooting all the time."
http://www.myabc5.com/story/20715948/obama-gu...
"The president says it's understandable that people are protective of their family traditions when it comes to hunting."
WASHINGTON (AP)- President Barack Obama says gun-control advocates should be better listeners in the debate over firearms in America.
Sounds very reasonable and sensible to me.
"Has Obama himself ever fired a gun?
"Yes," the president says, "in fact, up at Camp David, we do skeet shooting all the time."

How interesting, seeing as how the dirtbag has NEVER been to that location since he's been in office!
levi

United States

#98923 Jan 28, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
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No it cost you for the gun and the bullet and the trip to get said gun and bullet...it cost you the fuel and suitable vehicle and maintenance on said vehicle to drive to the forrest to find the deer and then your time waiting for it, it cost your time dragging it back and loading on the vehicle then driving home skinning and cutting up the meat and it cost you for a freezer big enough to store the meat and the electricity to keep the meat....it's cheaper and lest cost to get the supermarket to do it all. Then there is the clean up you need water and sovents to clean the car, the place where you butcher it....I forgot animals bleed...oh and the containers to store it in....let me think if I missed anything....mmmmmm
I love your determination, if only you were a few years younger, lol. Now, the fuel, nothing, killed the deer less the fifty yards in my back lawn. I already had the freezer, the electricity, I'd use it if I had no deer or not, vehicle, it never moved from my drive, the gun, it was one of my old ones and I've killed many of deer with it before so its already paid for itself, i butchered it behind the house tied up from a tree limb. so you see, it only cost the bullet, and thats bc I had to buy them bc I was out of bullets. You're a woman, you're not a hunter, and you're anti gun, I dont expect you to understand, thats what makes people different. As of right now, I have two six food freezers filled with meat, and it cost me practically nothing.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#98924 Jan 28, 2013
levi wrote:
<quoted text> Bc I own a gun does not take away nor add to my intelligence, and you not owning one does not add or take away from your intelligence. some people are better debaters then others, some took debate in high school or even college, some didnt, like myself. Does that make me stupid, no, it says I'm no debater.
If you and I were traped in the wilderness, with or without a gun, I guarentee you that I would survive on the land, meanwhile you will be struggleing to find that last drop of water. Does that make you dumb and me smart?
I would never willingly put myself in that predicament for a start and if I ever was...I was say going in a plane that crashed and I survived or car that broke down, I would endeavor to be well stocked up on health food bars(food) and plenty of water before I left home or raid the galley....So your point seems rather moot....does it not?
Justshoothebaste rd

Okmulgee, OK

#98925 Jan 28, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
No it is not....it's called a supermarket....if we didn't have them that would be a necesity, but we farm our animals so you DON'T have to go and kill and hunt them yourselves...it is just your individual want to remain the hunter, when there is absolutely no need to hunt.Do you still churn your own butter or bake your own bread or build a fire by rubbing together two sticks...I don't think so!
I you remove the hunter, then you have wildlife over population. So I guess there's no need to fish huh? Idiots like you just piss everyone off, mind you're own Fu king bussnies. My guns,my hunting and fishing has no effect on you what so ever!
Come to my house and threaten my wife, or children and you will find yourself on the wrong end of the barrel,

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#98926 Jan 28, 2013
levi wrote:
<quoted text>I love your determination, if only you were a few years younger, lol. Now, the fuel, nothing, killed the deer less the fifty yards in my back lawn. I already had the freezer, the electricity, I'd use it if I had no deer or not, vehicle, it never moved from my drive, the gun, it was one of my old ones and I've killed many of deer with it before so its already paid for itself, i butchered it behind the house tied up from a tree limb. so you see, it only cost the bullet, and thats bc I had to buy them bc I was out of bullets. You're a woman, you're not a hunter, and you're anti gun, I dont expect you to understand, thats what makes people different. As of right now, I have two six food freezers filled with meat, and it cost me practically nothing.
So what you are saying is all hunters are like you and can go out the back garden and shoot a deer? All hunters are like you and don't need a vehicle but not every hunter should be percieved as Alex Jones?...Regardless of whether you had the gun or not, someone bought it ....Still had to skin the deer, butcher it put it in some sort of glad wrap or container safe from freezer burn more cost...you had to buy the freezer which you would waste money running if it wasn't full of deer meat or some such animal because it must be a big freezer and the cost of the electricity is still a cost....still cheaper to let the supermarket bear the cost and very little down time....oh and the cost of the bullet....mmmmmm
GoGoBar

Thailand

#98927 Jan 28, 2013
levi wrote:
<quoted text>I love your determination, if only you were a few years younger, lol. Now, the fuel, nothing, killed the deer less the fifty yards in my back lawn. I already had the freezer, the electricity, I'd use it if I had no deer or not, vehicle, it never moved from my drive, the gun, it was one of my old ones and I've killed many of deer with it before so its already paid for itself, i butchered it behind the house tied up from a tree limb. so you see, it only cost the bullet, and thats bc I had to buy them bc I was out of bullets. You're a woman, you're not a hunter, and you're anti gun, I dont expect you to understand, thats what makes people different. As of right now, I have two six food freezers filled with meat, and it cost me practically nothing.
But Levi, you say you shoot that same buck every few days.
Cant you give us some variety.
Do us a bear or a gang of white supremists from the city.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#98928 Jan 28, 2013
Justshoothebasterd wrote:
<quoted text>I you remove the hunter, then you have wildlife over population. So I guess there's no need to fish huh? Idiots like you just piss everyone off, mind you're own Fu king bussnies. My guns,my hunting and fishing has no effect on you what so ever!
Come to my house and threaten my wife, or children and you will find yourself on the wrong end of the barrel,
Yeah yada yada gung ho and all that..you can get your fish at a fishmonger or fish shop....filletted or whole and many varieties and you are giving Americans a job.....in regards to protecting your family....would you protect your family from those that would more likely use the guns on them than any criminal by about 80-20% and that is more likely death by family member....you ignorant dicky troll.....

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#98929 Jan 28, 2013
Dr Freud wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, and by the way: Just how ISN'T a monopoly in violation of 'free enterprise?'
If a commercial enterprise is supposed to be 'free,' then PRECISELY HOW is a monopoly to be seen as 'free trade?'
You can't have it both ways: A monopoly IS the antithetical to free trade, for it STIFLES ANY idea of 'free trade.'
that is the Idea of Capitalism to have a monopoly just like JD Rockefeller had on petroleum who could set & control prices, and if you dont like monopolies then you are a Socialist then because you want the government involved and want the Government to be the referee and that is not free market enterprise.
levi

United States

#98930 Jan 28, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
So what you are saying is all hunters are like you and can go out the back garden and shoot a deer? All hunters are like you and don't need a vehicle but not every hunter should be percieved as Alex Jones?...Regardless of whether you had the gun or not, someone bought it ....Still had to skin the deer, butcher it put it in some sort of glad wrap or container safe from freezer burn more cost...you had to buy the freezer which you would waste money running if it wasn't full of deer meat or some such animal because it must be a big freezer and the cost of the electricity is still a cost....still cheaper to let the supermarket bear the cost and very little down time....oh and the cost of the bullet....mmmmmm
The freezers are six footers. Im not going to insult your intelligence by thinking you just believed what you typed. And I never said all hunters are like me, you're putting words in my mouth, you're good at that. And believe it or not, america is not one big city, we have plenty of wilderness, and most hunters live in rural areas here. And if someone knows what they are doing freezer burn is non-existant.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#98931 Jan 28, 2013
Dr Freud wrote:
<quoted text>
It did NO SUCH THING!
So, once again:
"The Sherman Antitrust Act (the full text of which can be found here) authorized the Federal Government to dissolve the trusts. It began with the statement: "Every contract, combination in the form of trust or otherwise, or conspiracy, in restraint of trade or commerce among the several States, or with foreign nations, is declared to be illegal." And it established penalties for persons convicted of establishing such combinations: "... shall be punished by fine not exceeding $10,000,000 if a corporation, or, if any other person,$350,000, or by imprisonment not exceeding three years, or by both said punishments, in the discretion of the court."
What part of that is 'communistic?'
I patiently await your reply.
I gave you the link its obvious you dont understand economics and its beyond your comprehension level and example of Socialism rejecting capitalism.

United States v. Microsoft

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v....
levi

United States

#98932 Jan 28, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
<quoted text>
But Levi, you say you shoot that same buck every few days.
Cant you give us some variety.
Do us a bear or a gang of white supremists from the city.
I love to hunt, but you lie, I dont say I shoot a deer every day, why you lie like that? to make a joke, a point? I will gladly converse with you, but if you're going to resort to such tactics then I'd rather not. I have never shot a bear. BTW, when I do hunt, I always get my prey------that should tell you something. You figure it out.
levi

United States

#98933 Jan 28, 2013
At least I'm eating venision and not dog.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#98934 Jan 28, 2013
Dr Freud wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, and by the way: Just how ISN'T a monopoly in violation of 'free enterprise?'
If a commercial enterprise is supposed to be 'free,' then PRECISELY HOW is a monopoly to be seen as 'free trade?'
You can't have it both ways: A monopoly IS the antithetical to free trade, for it STIFLES ANY idea of 'free trade.'
its obvious your not in favor of Capitalism but Socialism.
Dr Freud

UK

#98936 Jan 28, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
I would never willingly put myself in that predicament for a start and if I ever was...I was say going in a plane that crashed and I survived or car that broke down, I would endeavor to be well stocked up on health food bars(food) and plenty of water before I left home or raid the galley....So your point seems rather moot....does it not?
"I would endeavor to be well stocked up on health food bars(food) and plenty of water before I left home or raid the galley"

And WHAT would YOU do when someone else came along and ROBBED you of your " health food bars(food) and plenty of water"?
HOW would YOU stop them?
GoGoBar

Thailand

#98938 Jan 28, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>I gave you the link its obvious you dont understand economics and its beyond your comprehension level and example of Socialism rejecting capitalism.
United States v. Microsoft
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v....
Fraud has never been in business. Like a lot of losers he wants to blame the Govt. for his failure.
Anyone with any aptitude can succeed.
levi

United States

#98939 Jan 28, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
<quoted text>
But Levi, you say you shoot that same buck every few days.
Cant you give us some variety.
Do us a bear or a gang of white supremists from the city.
You are a two faced liar, show me the post where I said that. BTW, when I do hunt, which is quiet often, I always get my prey, if thats what you mean. I have never shot a bear, I dont like bear meat. At least Im eating venison, not dog.
GoGoBar

Thailand

#98940 Jan 28, 2013
levi wrote:
<quoted text>I love to hunt, but you lie, I dont say I shoot a deer every day, why you lie like that? to make a joke, a point? I will gladly converse with you, but if you're going to resort to such tactics then I'd rather not. I have never shot a bear. BTW, when I do hunt, I always get my prey------that should tell you something. You figure it out.
You have shot that same beast 3 times in the last two weeks.

Now do us your best Billy Jack for a change.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#98941 Jan 28, 2013
levi wrote:
<quoted text> The freezers are six footers. Im not going to insult your intelligence by thinking you just believed what you typed. And I never said all hunters are like me, you're putting words in my mouth, you're good at that. And believe it or not, america is not one big city, we have plenty of wilderness, and most hunters live in rural areas here. And if someone knows what they are doing freezer burn is non-existant.
All counties have their hunting laws and seasons but it hasn't stopped hunters disobeying said rules and often killing or wounding people in county areas restricted from hunters....Now I presume deer hunting is a seasonal event, so how often is your freezer empty? If you have a six foot(which is large by the average families standards) freezer for deer...you have another freezer for you everyday frozen foods....extra cost?
Justshoothebaste rd

Okmulgee, OK

#98942 Jan 28, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah yada yada gung ho and all that..you can get your fish at a fishmonger or fish shop....filletted or whole and many varieties and you are giving Americans a job.....in regards to protecting your family....would you protect your family from those that would more likely use the guns on them than any criminal by about 80-20% and that is more likely death by family member....you ignorant dicky troll.....
Once again, tard. I can and I will protect my family the way I feel best, I shoot aprox 10,000 rounds a year, reload own brass, hunt, fish, and grow my own veggies, quite capable of being self sufficient! Can you say the same? Take a look at the world food bank and see how many health bars you need when the SHTF.
If you and people like you would spend more time minding your own business and less in others I believe violent crime would decrease!!!!

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#98944 Jan 28, 2013
levi wrote:
<quoted text>You are a two faced liar, show me the post where I said that. BTW, when I do hunt, which is quiet often, I always get my prey, if thats what you mean. I have never shot a bear, I dont like bear meat. At least Im eating venison, not dog.
If you are a hunter what's the matter with dog...no time to get fussy if you are a "hunter" is it...no dog no bear what sort of a hunter are you really....sound a bit prissy to me....

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